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bshole

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Exactly this. And why we will never break out of this rut

Probably comes down to the fact that no candidate can win in the end absent the funds of the very wealthy elite. We have evolved into a kind of oligarchical system and there doesn't appear to be a way of ever overcoming it.
 

senseamp

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You guys are going to be like Nader supporters in 2000 and cause the exact opposite of what you wanted to happen.
 

Jhhnn

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Well where are they? The few people you can find that say they support her only do so, because they falsely believe she has a better chance in the general.


She is a lying manipulative corporate whore.... She will say and do anything to be president! She has been copying Bernie in the primary from the start, and relying on her name recognition to win. That's why the establishment is doing everything it can to ensure people don't hear about Bernie.

That's not really rational from several different perspectives.

First off, I think Repubs would much rather run against Bernie in the general. They'd paint him as a doddering old leftist or the second coming of Hugo Chavez & campaign to the middle because there's room to do so. So they'll tear down Hillary & concern troll for Bernie.

I can't tell the trolls from the supposed progressives who blindly adopt Repub slogans. I figure that anybody who really respects Bernie won't use those tactics against friendly rivals because he sure as Hell doesn't.

Or we can act the way Repubs want us to act, take your pick.

At a deeper level, we need to understand that it's not just about the President but about their entourage as well, and about how they intend to actually run the govt. Bernie & Hillary would draw from the same pool of expertise, obviously, and Repubs have their own trusty veterans of the GWB years who'd eagerly do it all over again & more if they could. Their idea of how to run govt is to run it into the ground other than the military/security complex.

Sooo... I think it behooves those of us who'd rather that not happen be civil with each other & to listen to each other rather than to our true opponents. Anything else is shortsightedly foolish.
 

Slew Foot

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Hillary clinton is the epitome of everything wrong with American politics. Lying, untrustworthy, deceitful, tells people what they want to hear while robbing them blind, it disgusts me thats shes even being consdered for president.
 

Jimzz

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Where are you living at that you can legally vote in both Primaries ? If you can do that in VA, there is a lot of voting disparity right there to begin with.



Yeah, exactly what I thought myself.

I usually do mail in also.

Though who knows how legit many things are these days.

Sure you can vote in either Primary in any state, usually not in both though that I am aware of.

That sounds like voting fraud right there, if you are actually doing that.


No I don't think you can vote in both. I vote in the one that that has the closet race. If Trump is winning a lot by the time it hits VA then I'll vote in the Dem. If the Dem is just about wrapped up then I vote in the Rep one.
 

Jhhnn

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Hillary clinton is the epitome of everything wrong with American politics. Lying, untrustworthy, deceitful, tells people what they want to hear while robbing them blind, it disgusts me thats shes even being consdered for president.

You obviously believe that, no matter how tenuous the relationship to the truth-

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/o...-lie-more-than-others.html?src=me&ref=general

Check the bar graph down the page & get back to us, OK?

Or just listen to Donald & Rush because they can really work your bitter spite & deep resentment into yet another self righteous snit you'll enjoy tremendously.
 

mysticjbyrd

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That's not really rational from several different perspectives.

First off, I think Repubs would much rather run against Bernie in the general. They'd paint him as a doddering old leftist or the second coming of Hugo Chavez & campaign to the middle because there's room to do so. So they'll tear down Hillary & concern troll for Bernie.

I can't tell the trolls from the supposed progressives who blindly adopt Repub slogans. I figure that anybody who really respects Bernie won't use those tactics against friendly rivals because he sure as Hell doesn't.

Or we can act the way Repubs want us to act, take your pick.

At a deeper level, we need to understand that it's not just about the President but about their entourage as well, and about how they intend to actually run the govt. Bernie & Hillary would draw from the same pool of expertise, obviously, and Repubs have their own trusty veterans of the GWB years who'd eagerly do it all over again & more if they could. Their idea of how to run govt is to run it into the ground other than the military/security complex.

Sooo... I think it behooves those of us who'd rather that not happen be civil with each other & to listen to each other rather than to our true opponents. Anything else is shortsightedly foolish.

No, you are absolutely wrong. Hillary is not a progressive! The only difference between her, and Cruz, is that she has to lie a little more to convince the drones she represents them.

One of Bernie's biggest problems is he keeps kissing Hillary's ass at every turn. He would be a mile ahead, if he called her out on her bullshit, and expose her for the corporate shill that she is. He did a decent job of that in the last debate, but he needs to do it a lot more.
 
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Jhhnn

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No, you are absolutely wrong. Hillary is not a progressive! The only difference between her, and Cruz, is that she has to lie a little more to convince the drones she represents them.

One of Bernie's biggest problems is he keeps kissing Hillary's ass at every turn. He would be a mile ahead, if he called her out on her bullshit, and expose her for the corporate shill that she is. He did a decent job of that in the last debate, but he needs to do it a lot more.

Have you considered the idea that Hillary has earned Bernie's respect?

The right wing has a whole cadre trolling for Bernie-

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

Does that tell you anything?
 

mysticjbyrd

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I don't 'support' any of the candidates this election cycle. But if I have to vote for any one of them (and I will) then I'm going to vote for a candidate that isn't leading an angry mob. And, at this time, Hillary seems to be the only candidate who isn't.

Is candidate not allowed to energize his base during primaries? Is it improper to be angry when yet despite Health Care reform we're still spending over double for the same care?
 

Sonikku

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Have you considered the idea that Hillary has earned Bernie's respect?

The right wing has a whole cadre trolling for Bernie-

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

Does that tell you anything?

I'm unsure about "respect". More likely Bernie knows his odds and is considering the high probability that Hillary will win the nom. With that being the case, he isn't helping the least conservative candidate other than himself by tearing into her like Romney's Rivals all piled on him for 16 months. He could just want to steer Hillary more towards the left instead of resigning himself to her being right of middle.
 

mysticjbyrd

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If we learned anything from Obama it's that campaign promises mean nothing at this point. Moving SHillary further to the left during the campaign is totally worthless.

As far as respect goes, he is just an insanely nice guy.
 
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Jhhnn

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No, it just means Bernie is too nice for is own good, and is trying to not sling mud, just in case she gets the nominee.

There are several possible explanations for that, but it's hardly even relevant.

What's your point?

It's quite relevant. If you truly admire & respect Bernie's position and style It's probably good to consider it when shaping your own.

It's clear that he doesn't support the kind of tactics you're using.
 

mysticjbyrd

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It's quite relevant. If you truly admire & respect Bernie's position and style It's probably good to consider it when shaping your own.

It's clear that he doesn't support the kind of tactics you're using.

I don't have the bad habit of being too nice. I only respect logical arguments, which you seme to be lacking.

Bernie is an economics guru...everything is free! lol
The best economist in the country already signed off on his plans.
 
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Everyone seems to forget, shit worked pretty well under Bill and there was actually some bipartisan items. Hell he even left George W a budget surplus.
Admittedly Hillary isn't as good or as genuine of a speaker as Bill but its safe to assume they'd operate in a similar way.
 
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mysticjbyrd

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Everyone seems to forget, shit worked pretty well under Bill and there was actually some bipartisan items. Hell he even left George W a budget surplus.
Admittedly Hillary isn't as good or as genuine of a speaker as Bill but its safe to assume they'd operate in a similar way.

Bill passed some bad legislation, and pushed the country, particularly the dem, further right. The economic boom was due to the internet.

That's not a compelling argument for Hillary, either way.
 
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