Are You A Werewolf - Forum Game 9: THE VILLAGE WINS

[Krazy4Real]

Chiropteran sorry, but i believe PF for now. If I am wrong about you, I am sorry, but I would then vote for PF tomorrow.

 

[Charmonium]

If the seer maintains silence, he does not help his team out early and lynch a wolf, especially with the cultist (assuming one cultist) dead. The cultist could spoil this by doubling down on the pitting of the witness/wolf by presenting information as seer/cultist.

The wolves would have a seer as a target, but again, if the seer remains silent and only votes with some information he is no better than a slightly more helpful villager with hunches. Perhaps the seer is hoping on waiting until endgame to help his team more, but risks a lynch/midnight feeding every day.

But, I guess, the question must become does it matter losing a villager 50% of the time now (now that the witness role is done, that is all there is left) to get a 100% wolf by the next day and save the seer for later, or save the villagers another life for a 100% now. Tactical versus strategic I guess.

Why are you talking about the seer. The seer can only pick one person per night to observe and find out their true nature. They can't chat so even if there are 2 of them they can't coordinate.

It looks like you're trying to change the subject. At this point in the game it is likely that the seer has only observed pro-village players. Specifically only 2 pro-village players. so there's nothing he can do unless you think he should out any power roles he's observed.

And even if there are 2 seers, then they have only observed 4 people out of 17. So the odds that either have seen a wolf would be very small.

I have no idea what your point is and I'm wondering if you do either, other than to distract us from the real issues that is. :\

 

[JujuFish]

PF trying to get the seer to out himself is a bit suspicious, IMO. Changing to Possessed Freak.

 

[Possessed Freak]

It looks like you're trying to change the subject. At this point in the game it is likely that the seer has only observed pro-village players. Specifically only 2 pro-village players. so there's nothing he can do unless you think he should out any power roles he's observed.

I am not changing the subject, it is a foregone conclusion that the group is going with a 50/50 and all I am stating was that the seer had the opportunity to act after the witness/wolf debacle started. That is all, it is my opinion, I would have *AT LEAST* looked at one of us during the night action to gain some insight on voting blocks and the like (and possibly being the swaying vote to make the correct lynching).

All I am stating is there are opportunities during this.

 

[Storma]

Vote tally right now is 6 Chiropteran, 6 Possessed Freak - with Dustb0wlkid being the deciding vote yet to be cast.

 

[Charmonium]

I am not changing the subject, it is a foregone conclusion that the group is going with a 50/50 and all I am stating was that the seer had the opportunity to act after the witness/wolf debacle started. That is all, it is my opinion, I would have *AT LEAST* looked at one of us during the night action to gain some insight on voting blocks and the like (and possibly being the swaying vote to make the correct lynching).

All I am stating is there are opportunities during this.

So you think the seer should have looked at either you or Chiro since the issue was raised yesterday and they would have had the night to verify one of you. That's a fair point. I didn't understand that's where you were going with your comment.

It's possible we don't have a seer though. There are 15 possible roles and 2 of those, masons and wolves, have to have at least 2 members each. That would make 17 roles for 17 players. But it's likely that given the size of the group, that there are at least 3 of each. That means that at least 2 roles had to go unfilled. It's quite possible that one was the seer.

If we do have a seer, we don't know how much he or she is participating. Maybe they just haven't seen the controversy today. It could also be that they don't want to tip their hand or for whatever reason chose to observe someone other than you or Chiro.

It doesn't change any of the arguments that have been made so far.

 

[Charmonium]

Vote tally right now is 6 Chiropteran, 6 Possessed Freak - with Dustb0wlkid being the deciding vote yet to be cast.

Thanks Storma. That really paints the picture. :thumbsup:

 

[Chiropteran]

I would think that a seer has better people to seer than the two people who will be mutually revealed tonight during the lynch, one way or another.

It's more useful to find information you can't otherwise determine, rather than information that is guaranteed to be revealed in the near future. The only point of seering us would be if there was some idea to come forward and make sure the town kills the wolf, but then you are trading a seer's life to save a witness who already spent his power... not a great value for the town.

I stand by the idea that the seer should stay far away from this situation, and simply vote as an anonymous villager rather than drawing any attention to themselves.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Thanks Storma. That really paints the picture. :thumbsup:

Talk about a 50/50!

Chiro, sure I can reason the seer keeping it a secret. But I would also reason that the seer would have researched us to help the correct lynching (even as anonymous). I can't imagine picking somebody random knowing the chances of picking a good role with little to gain anonymously versus certain knowledge (even if temporary).

 

[glenn1]

Talk about a 50/50!

Chiro, sure I can reason the seer keeping it a secret. But I would also reason that the seer would have researched us to help the correct lynching (even as anonymous). I can't imagine picking somebody random knowing the chances of picking a good role with little to gain anonymously versus certain knowledge (even if temporary).

Just speculating, but there was a 3 hour lag between the end of night 2 and your announcement about witnessing Chiropteran. If there was a Seer they might have already requested to see another player in that 3 hour window and thus already used their ability for the day. No idea if that's what happened, but it could have happened that way I guess?

 

[Possessed Freak]

Just speculating, but there was a 3 hour lag between the end of night 2 and your announcement about witnessing Chiropteran. If there was a Seer they might have already requested to see another player in that 3 hour window and thus already used their ability for the day. No idea if that's what happened, but it could have happened that way I guess?

Isn't seer a night action, wouldn't the submission happen sometime during the night? Not 3 hours into the day?

 

[dustb0wlkid]

Chiropteran. You and Charmonium are just trying way too hard.

 

[Charmonium]

Chiropteran. You and Charmonium are just trying way too hard.

My excuse is that I don't have a life. Can't speak for PF. :'(

 

[A Casual Fitz]

My brain hurts lol

 

[Chiropteran]

Chiropteran. You and Charmonium are just trying way too hard.

That is the weak justification a wolf would use. It's okay though, I don't mind being lynched if the votes are going to reveal a lot of evils.

 

[glenn1]

Isn't seer a night action, wouldn't the submission happen sometime during the night? Not 3 hours into the day?

Yeah, I guess then since the witness claim was only made after the conclusion of Night 2, the Seer couldn't even use his power until after Day 3 is concluded and either PF or Chir is dead.

 

[Storma]

My brain hurts lol

Try running the game. LMAO

 

[Storma]

Yeah, I guess then since the witness claim was only made after the conclusion of Night 2, the Seer couldn't even use his power until after Day 3 is concluded and either PF or Chir is dead.

umm, no. Seer is a night action. They can use it every night...Even night 1.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

umm, no. Seer is a night action. They can use it every night...Even night 1.

He means that since the witness claim was after night 2, the seer can't verify it yet.

 

[Storma]

If the votes are final answers from everyone, I'll end the day a little early and we can start night.
Night will start 5pm today if everyone feels good on their votes.

 

[Storma]

He means that since the witness claim was after night 2, the seer couldn't verify it yet.

Gotcha.:thumbsup:

 

[Charmonium]

If the votes are final answers from everyone, I'll end the day a little early and we can start night.
Night will start 5pm today if everyone feels good on their votes.

I'm not sure that's a good idea. There might be some people who plan on coming back in around 6 or 7pm EST. It's a common strategy to change your vote at the last minute. And we'd only be saving a couple of hours.

 

[Chiropteran]

If the votes are final answers from everyone, I'll end the day a little early and we can start night.
Night will start 5pm today if everyone feels good on their votes.

I think that while it's my head on the chopping block, maybe we should wait till the usual time. But if possessed freak gets more votes than me you have my approval to end the day immediately

 

[keird]

I think that while it's my head on the chopping block, maybe we should wait till the usual time. But if possessed freak gets more votes than me you have my approval to end the day immediately

Heh.

 

[Storma]

It's a common strategy to change your vote at the last minute.

That's the problem... Do you know what kind of hell it is when you have to keep track of the voting and people are changing their votes three or even four times?!
Then also, have people being "IS DAY OVER YET??" 5 minutes after the time it was supposed to end?


Running this game is a special kind of hell sometimes. But damn it's kind of enjoyable...