Are you anti or pro marijuana?

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royaldank

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<< Pro-Drug types always want to promote their own freedoms but yet deny the rights of a group of people. Society has set limits on nearly every activity and this is no different. The line is drawn and I've not seen ANYONE address the issues I make except by endless inuendos and generalisations.

Money is the Government's Drug Habit....and it's had too much!
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Deny the rights of a group of people? Come on now...I think it's the other way around. There are a group of politicians that after WWII decided marijuana was bad. Even after active war campaigns promoted the usefulness of hemp and strongly encouraged American farmers to grow it, the government still nixed it because smoking cannabis can get you high. There were at least three studies commissioned by congressional subcommittes that studies the effects of marijuana on a person both short and long term, and the the addiction qualities as well. EVERY one of these tests came back that it was minimal at best, and nothing near alcohol, and that it shouldn't be illegal. It's a small group of people that decided everyone in America is now banned for growing a plant that can be smoked. Society has been mislead for the last 50 years into thinking drugs (and they will have you believe that caffine, alcohol, and nicotine aren't 'drugs') are used only by the lowest of the low. Doing drugs will send you to hell is what they want you to believe. And they have spent billions, probably trillions trying their best not to look like a bunch of jackasses and keep this myth alive.

Society doesn't set limits here in America...it's the government. I think we both agree on that. But there again, you need to realize this when you vote. We both agree the government should be limited more than it is. I just don't see how you back them on this issue? I'm not starting a flame war or anything...as this is actually a pretty good discussion. But, I see you trying to promote your 'don't let the government own you' and then you are backing them on something even they can't explain. Why is it illegal? You can search all the government archives through all the tests they have paid millions for and you wont find a single one that discusses why pot should be illegal when compared to cigarrettes and alcohol. Also, the reason there isn't more widespread support is because people have been brainwashed for the last 50 years. Parents and grandparents believe every word from the government and trust it. But, if they could acutally read the results of the aforementioned reports, then they might change their mind. If marijuana was legal and they started smoking, I'll bet MANY more would change their minds. The fact it's illegal deters many. But, those same people cannot give you reasons why it's illegal other than it's 'bad'...but tell them it's far, far less unhealthy than alcohol and they wont believe you. Tell them no one has every overdosed or died from marijuana and they will laugh...and yet it's fact. It's unfortunate that all the people that have open minds and want to decide for themselves are very limited by the government is this case.
 

djheater

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I don't care if people smoke it or not. But I hate how it makes normally mentally sharp people all think and act like Stoners. They all talk the same they have the same stupid laugh... it's really annoying.

It's like a clique. People who smoke pot are cool with other people who smoke pot but people who don't smoke pot are not invited... they're just not cool.
 

azazyel

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2 cents from a smoker
a) MJ should never be legalized. The last thing anyone needs is for Phillip Morris or any other tabacco giant to start selling this stuff. They are too big and have too much sway in government already. Also, the thought of putting nicotien in MJ scares me (you know they would).
b)Decrimialization would be best. If you know where to get it already then cool. If not tuff crap.

Random Note:
Don't you think it's funny that there is a war on drugs and yet you can advertise perscription dugs on the TV. I remember when Clariton came out they didn't tell you what is was for! All I saw were people windsailing on weatfields and I was sitting at home thinking that must be one hell of a drug!
 

t3chvest

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I could care less if it remained illegal or became legalized. If it becomes legalized however, it better have some restrictions on it. It should be taxed. If I go to Ihop there better damn well not be a marijuana section. I don't ever want to smell it walking down the street, and I would prefer not to see it used but I can live with that. I agree with whoever said that if they act severely out of conduct then they need to be stripped of their right to smoke and be penalized. However it can stay illegal and the government can squander their money on anti drug politics.

Either way, as far as usage goes, it doesn't matter. Weed isn't hard to get; if someone wants it they'll get it, illegal or not. Leaving it either way gives its own ups and downs.

Whatever, I don't care, knock yourself out.
 

PlatinumGold

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I will never do it in my lifetime. I will not allow it in my house. I will not accept it's use by my children until they are adults, and even then I will not accept it around me, nor agree with it's use, nor show any respect to anyone truly addicted and not just a sparse recreational user. This is not just for marijuana, but for all drugs including tobacco products. However, it's a personal choice.

If you choose to use it, or anything else, it should be your right...the government should never have any involvement in personal choice


agree 100%
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Interesting how most of those who want it legalized are those who smoke it and most of those who want it kept illegal are those who haven't let pot kill off too many of their brain cells.

Nik (puts on flamesuit)
 

Ornery

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Oct 9, 1999
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"If I were to test positive in a drug test, I WILL lose my job!"

"If I get 1 DUI, I lose my job!"


What's this have to do with any forking thing? It's hypocritical to be able to have wine with dinner, drink a beer and watch a ball game and yet tell someone else they can't smoke a joint instead. Mother forking BULLSH!T!!!!! :|

You can drink all weekend and not get bagged for DUI on Monday morning, but if you puff one joint on Friday night you'll fail a drug test even next Thursday. Fuk, that sounds fair to me! :|
  • FUK ALL YOU HYPOCRITICAL MOTHERFUC... :|
 

royaldank

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<< Interesting how most of those who want it legalized are those who smoke it and most of those who want it kept illegal are those who haven't let pot kill off too many of their brain cells.

Nik (puts on flamesuit)
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I'd say it also has to do with who has actually tried it and researched the subject as opposed to those that take whatever their parents and the government spoon feeds them. I'm not flaming you, just suggesting that maybe you don't know exactly what your talking about. I undertand where you are coming from, but alot of what people hear about pot is that it's illegal and bad. Why is it bad? Because it's illegal. Why is it illegal? Because it's bad. It's a never ending circle.

I think it's alot like whether or not you do anything illegal. MP3 of copyrighted music are illegal to own unless you have the original disc in your possesion. However, many people feel this is wrong and trade mp3s anyway. They are making a decision that, while illegal, it is not something they are morally opposed to. Same for warez, stealing cable, stealing satellite signals, descrambler boxes, speeding, etc. And I'm not saying if someone isn't morally opposed to something then they should be allowed to do it. I'm suggesting that if someone isn't morally opposed and they smoke without effecting someone who is (either second hand smoke or by your actions thereafter) then it should be legal, or at least decriminalized. Especially since there is no good reason it's illegal other than some politicians who didn't like it and banned even though all their research suggested they shouldn't.

And someone mentioned that there is usually a click associated with pot smokers. I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone smokes or not. I'm not going to like you more or less, unless you preach to me about why I shouldn't. However, these clicks are the same with anything. You can't deny that growing up there were drinking clicks? In high school, there are always groups that drink and stay around each other and those groups that didn't. Personally, I generally find smokers more understanding of what they have decided based on either personal experiementation or by learning from other smokers that it isn't 'reefer madness' they are dealing with. That said, I generally surround myself with smokers in the same way that drinkers all congregate at the bar. We have similar interests and enjoy doing the same things. But, I'm not going to exclude anyone because they don't smoke. I'll just pass it to the next person and not think twice about it.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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<< I'm not flaming you, just suggesting that maybe you don't know exactly what your talking about. >>

My uncle is the head of the largest local-activist group for the legalization of marajuana in Oregon.

I don't judge a person on whether they smoke it or not, either. I work with both extreme types: the type who is fairly refined and upstanding -who you wouldn't be able to tell that he is addicted unless he told you, and the other type that you can smell it on her constantly and she can't concentrate on something for more than 15 minutes or so.

Nik
 

royaldank

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<< I'm not flaming you, just suggesting that maybe you don't know exactly what your talking about. >>

My uncle is the head of the largest local-activist group for the legalization of marajuana in Oregon.

Nik
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But, and again this isn't malicious towards you, I suggested that you might know what your talking about...not your uncle.

And by that comment, I get the sense you are probably being a little sarcastic. Ever talk to your uncle about it? I'm sure he can provide you with plenty of reason why it should be decriminalize. Like the fact it's less harmful healthwise than many widely available things on the market today.

To each their own, I suppose. As long as you don't openly disrespect my opinion, I'll show you no disrespect, either.

I see your last edit and that's cool. There are extreme with all things. Like alcoholism, I suppose there is marijuanaism...and sugar addicts that can't concentrate...etc.
 

Saltin

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Jul 21, 2001
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<< the other type that you can smell it on her constantly and she can't concentrate on something for more than 15 minutes or so. >>



That my friend, is the difference between a drug "user" and a drug "abuser". People like that need help, and if it wasnt pot, it would be something else. You don't blame the drug in that case, you blame the persons attitude toward it, and you blame society for not teaching them better. Unhealty attitudes toward drug use are not cool, but it certainly doesnt make the person a criminal. It makes the person someone who needs some help.



<< Anything that controls your life other than you is not acceptable. Why be a slave? >>



This is the same attitude right here. People who think anyone who uses pot must be addicted. Wrong.
 

Pabster

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Apr 15, 2001
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Neither.

I don't force anyone to smoke it, and I don't have a problem with those that do.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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I'm not being sarcastic at all. I've talked to him many, many times about it. We go round and round about it, too. And, of course he can provide me with reason why it's better to smoke marajuana than it is do smoke anything else; anyone can come up with bias statistics and lab reports. Not saying that it's the only possibility, but I believe that the addiction can drive a person to come up with any means necessary to give them an excuse to poison their mind with it.

Even if I were to grow both tobacco and marajuana products myself and look at the effects in my own laboratory and actually prove to myself in a fair and an unbias way that pot is a lesser evil than tobacco products, I will still fight against it until it's made legal -and I won't fight for it to be legal, either because I've seen lives ruined by it.

That's why I don't drink or smoke cigarettes.



<< This is the same attitude right here. People who think anyone who uses pot must be addicted. Wrong >>

Actually, pot changes you. It alters your personality. I mean, seriously, you don't see people actively pushing for the legalization of bank robbery, do you?


Nik
P.S. Thank you for being respectful. I hope that I come across the same way. It's nice to have a decent debate with someone who doesn't make biting comments
 

PistachioByAzul

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I work with both extreme types: the type who is fairly refined and upstanding -who you wouldn't be able to tell that they are addicted unless they told you

The fact that you use the term "addicted" seems to indicate that you still buy into the stigma surrounding it.

There is not a shred of a legitimate basis for marijuana being illegal, that would not apply to many other things that people take for granted. All that it is, is propaganda; repeat something over and over again, and it will stick.

Oh, and it doesn't kill braincells, even the government has admitted to that after their research. Nope, killing braincells is what alcohol does.



It's like a clique. People who smoke pot are cool with other people who smoke pot but people who don't smoke pot are not invited... they're just not cool.

This is true, and on the flip side of that coin you have the "haters", the people that are sub-conciously jealous they aren't on the inside. Even if they don't particularly care about what the group does, no one likes being on the outside, so they lash out at something they can't be a part of. Of course, no one would ever admit this to themselves, as it's mostly sub-concious. Much of the anti-marijuana sentiment here resembles this sociological phenomenon. See below:

Interesting how most of those who want it legalized are those who smoke it and most of those who want it kept illegal are those who haven't let pot kill off too many of their brain cells.

(Why so much venom?)

 

Saltin

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Jul 21, 2001
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<< Actually, pot changes you. It alters your personality. I mean, seriously, you don't see people actively pushing for the legalization of bank robbery, do you? >>



Im sorry, this makes no sense to me. Do we really need to have a discussion about property law (required) vs drug laws (questionable). One is clearly a violation of a second party's civil rights (eg bank robbery), while the other is a decision that adults make to do something to themselves (drugs). Granted, a person's drug use may affect others, but this is not a criminal act. This is a social act that requires education to mitigate.

It amazes me the attitudes some of you guys have.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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<< The fact that you use the term "addicted" seems to indicate that you still buy into the stigma surrounding it. >>

An addiction is an addiction. The girl openly admits that she needs it to feel normal. The guy doesn't admit it, but he refuses to quit -even if simply for the fact that it's illegal. Strange that you picked up on my using "addicted" at that moment... I was considering using the word "smoking" but thought "addicted" was a better description at this time.



<< There is not a shred of a legitimate basis for marijuana being illegal, that would not apply to many other things that people take for granted. All that it is, is propaganda; repeat something over and over again, and it will stick. >>

If there's no reason why the government made it illegal, why would they do so? Is it fun to make laws? Is it fun to keep family men away on long weeks and spend tens of thousands to send a bill through and get it signed by the President? Seriously....




<< Oh, and it doesn't kill braincells, even the government has admitted to that after their research. Nope, killing braincells is what alcohol does. >>

You only believe this because you want to. You show me the article on a legitimate governmental website that publicly says that and I'll believe you.





<< This is true, and on the flip side of that coin you have the "haters", the people that are sub-conciously jealous they aren't on the inside. Even if they don't particularly care about what the group does, no one likes being on the outside, so they lash out at something they can't be a part of. >>

No, sorry, I'm only a "hater" as you describe because those people are breaking the law and refuse to respect the laws of my country. And about being on the outside? This is one of the times where being on the outside is perfectly okay with me.




<< (Why so much venom?) >>

Not venom. It was funny to me.

Nik
 

NikPreviousAcct

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<< Im sorry, this makes no sense to me. Do we really need to have a discussion about property law (required) vs drug laws (questionable). One is clearly a violation of a second party's civil rights (eg bank robbery), while the other is a decision that adults make to do something to themselves (drugs). Granted, a person's drug use may affect others, but this is not a criminal act. This is a social act that requires education to mitigate.

It amazes me the attitudes some of you guys have.
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My point is that if it wasn't an addiction, people wouldn't be fighting so hard for it.

Nik
 

Saltin

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<< My point is that if it wasn't an addiction, people wouldn't be fighting so hard for it. >>



That my friend, is complete bullsh!t. You fail to understand that for many of us, it comes down to freedom. Your attitude demostrates to me that you have no ability to differentiate between use and abuse. You have bought into the "pot is bad" idea, and have never actually looked into the facts.
How does someone smoking pot interfere with your life?

People fight for freedom and the ability to make choices regarding themselves for themselves. Addicts just spend thier time looking for thier next fix.
 

Phokus

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CRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA REPRESENTS THE SHAME OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM AND THE HYPOCRISY OF OUR POLITICIANS!

What do i mean by the above? Just ask yourself, which do you think is more dangerous: alcohol, cigarettes, or marijuana?

Facts:

1)Between cigarettes and marijuana, YOU CANNOT BECOME PHYSICALLY ADDICTED TO MARIJUANA BUT YOU DO GET ADDICTED TO CIGARETTES. No chemicals in marijuana changes your brain chemistry (like tobacco or heroin) so that you become addicted.

2) The only addiction one could get with marijuana is psychological. But then again, that same psychological addiction happens with people who are addicted to gambling, video games, and alcohol. Those who are prone to addiction are addicted because there is something wrong with their brains in the first place.

3) The smoke from marijuana does roughly the same ammount of damage to the lungs as a cigarette does. HOWEVER, people who are addicted to cigarettes may smoke several packs of cigarettes a day (i know a friend who smoked 4 - 5 packs of cigarettes a day till he quit). Compare that with someone who smokes marijuana recreationally with one blunt a week. Hell, if you saw some of my friends back in school, they would just take a couple puffs from a bong and that would be it; that's certainly less smoke inhalation than smoking just ONE cigarette. In fact, you can circumvent the damage to the lungs by cooking marijuana into brownies.

4) Who would you rather face driving down the street? A drunk driver or a driver that is high? My personal preference would be neither, BUT, it would be hard to tell if the driver is high because people who are high on weed still have their balance and equilibrium. There was a study done by some government who tried to prove people high on weed caused more accidents. However, the data from the tests showed that the people high on weed caused FEWER accidents than those that weren't (although to be fair, the scientists, who were biased to begin with, stated that they think that the weed drivers caused fewer accidents because they willed themselves to be more alert and drove slower to compensate for slower reflexes).

5) There is no clear evidence that marijuana damages brain cells. There IS irrefutable evidence that alcohol damages brain AND liver cells.

Just look at it this way: When a Democrat or Republican tells you that they are against legalization of marijuana because of the associated crime and health risks, they are being disengenuous. The democrats are against it because they know they can get more votes from the urban voters who perceive marijuana as causing crime (which is the opposite: criminalization of marijuana causes more crime) while the republicans have the same view PLUS they are corrupted by the campaign donations from cigarette manufacturers and alcohol companies to keep it illegal.

 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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<< Your attitude demostrates to me that you have no ability to differentiate between use and abuse >>

Both are illegal. Period.



<< How does someone smoking pot interfere with your life? >>

After going from a nice dinner with a semi-civilized man, my uncle smoked up the bathroom at the restaurant before we left. On our way home, he tried driving off a bridge to kill my mother and I.

Nik
 

Saltin

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Guess what Cobalt. You are going to have to accept the fact that your Uncle is a moron. He has issues far, far beyond his pot use.
What you need to do is ask yourself why they are illegal? Alcohol isnt, and people drive off bridges after drinks all the time.
 
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