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NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Yeah, I know my uncle is a fruit. Maybe alcohol should be illegal as well?



I don't agree with people getting drunk. If you're drunk, you are not welcome near me or my family if I can help it. Getting drunk is 1) a waste of money and 2) an pointless escape to life's problems for many people.

It's something that I don't agree with. You want to drink and smoke pot? Fine. I'll live with your decision -as long as you're nowhere near me. Looks like you'll have to deal with my decision.

Nik
 

PistachioByAzul

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It's amazing how much you would blindly trust the government.

The reason for marijuana being criminalized in 1937 was to prevent the growth of the hemp industry. Quite obviously, people representing forestry, petrochemical and pharmaceutical industries feared the enormous competition from the infant hemp industry.

Hemp is the world's strongest fiber, the oils derived from it can be turned into a bio-diesel fuel that is cleaner burning and gets more mileage than gasoline, plus of course it's replentishable. You can see why certain big industries are afraid of it.

As for not killing brain cells,

1. Dr. Christine Hartel, Acting Director of Research, National Institute of Drug Abuse, cited by the State of Hawaii Dept of Health, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Division in memo of Feb. 4, 1994.



No, sorry, I'm only a "hater" as you describe because those people are breaking the law and refuse to respect the laws of my country.

What kind of reasoning is this? What's wrong with me that I would waste my time trying to shed light to someone who has their head as deep in the sand as you?

It was once illegal for women and blacks to vote, it was once illegal for blacks to share the same space as whites. I don't think anything more needs to be said.


My point is that if it wasn't an addiction, people wouldn't be fighting so hard for it.

Your simple DARE definition of "addiction" is great. If fast food were outlawed and people fought for that, is it because they are addicted? You are what you eat, and people who eat that garbage on a regular basis certainly aren't healthy, or won't be for much longer. Since we've established that fast food is both unhealthy and addictive, maybe we should classify it as a drug and make it illegal. But wait, what about alcohol, what about prescription drugs that are abused as much as alcohol? Hundred's of thousands of people are dying each year due to these legal and more importantly, acceptable substances. Especially prescription drugs, no, those certainly aren't the same as DRUGS drugs, because the doctor gives them to you. Presciption drugs that are viewed as safe, that throw you through all kinds of loops, that are in many cases made up of similar things that harder street drugs are made up of, that are supposed to treat non-existant problems that have been contrived for the purpose of making money, that treat many things that a natural herb called marijuana can treat much more effectively.

See how many double standards exist soley based on what's an accepted practice and what's not? Don't trust things to be right, just because that's how it is. It's hard for people to accept that something they thought they knew has no legitimate basis.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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FFMCobalt, you CANNOT GET PHYSICALLY ADDICTED TO MARIJUANA (read my post above).

 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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<< FFMCobalt, you CANNOT GET PHYSICALLY ADDICTED TO MARIJUANA (read my post above). >>

Never said you could. Why would I? I know it's a psychological addiction.

Nik
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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<< no, those certainly aren't the same as DRUGS drugs >>

Yes, I see your point. Pot certainly doesn't fight a cold, help a new organ stay alive, or save your life.

Nik
 

Phokus

Lifer
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<< FFMCobalt, you CANNOT GET PHYSICALLY ADDICTED TO MARIJUANA (read my post above). >>

Never said you could. Why would I? I know it's a psychological addiction.

Nik
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You did say that a few posts up, and YOU DO NOT GET PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTED TO WEED BY SMOKING IT. As i said before, people who become psychologically addicted to weed are the same people who get addicted to gambling, alcohol, video games, etc. Psychological addictions are caused by predisposed psychological problems like loneliness, greed, depression etc. NO CHEMICALS IN WEED CAUSE THIS.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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<< You did say that a few posts up, and YOU DO NOT GET PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTED TO WEED BY SMOKING IT. As i said before, people who become psychologically addicted to weed are the same people who get addicted to gambling, alcohol, video games, etc. Psychological addictions are caused by predisposed psychological problems like loneliness, greed, depression etc. NO CHEMICALS IN WEED CAUSE THIS. >>

Quote me. I never said that the addiction is physical -atleast, not on purpose (making way too many typos today)

Those same dispositions are also the root of serial killers. Relax, I'm not calling pot smokers serial killers.

Nik
 

I'm Pro.



<< b)Decrimialization would be best. If you know where to get it already then cool. If not tuff crap. >>


Exactly.



<< You only believe this because you want to. You show me the article on a legitimate governmental website that publicly says that and I'll believe you. >>


I could have a hayday dispelling your rants, but I choose not to because it just leads into a age old discussion. The govt MAKES MONEY from it being illegal. Why would they then release studies that prove different? Legitimate Govt. info, nice oxymoron.



<< Both are illegal. Period. >>


Do you drive? Ever break that speed limit? If so, shutup hypocrite.

I don't get into these arguments. Its usually the heads who know whats up because they actually RESEARCH it. And usually the non-heads tellign them they are wrong because they smoke it. Way to put up an arguement guys, its like grade school children. YOUR WRONG BECAUSE YOUR STUPID. NUH UH YOUR THE ONE THAT IS STUPID!
 

Phokus

Lifer
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<<

<< no, those certainly aren't the same as DRUGS drugs >>

Yes, I see your point. Pot certainly doesn't fight a cold, help a new organ stay alive, or save your life.

Nik
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Neither does cigarettes or alcohol. In fact, pot helps cancer patients who lost a ton of weight due to having no hunger feeling by helping the "hungry" signals go to the brain. It also relieves pain for cancer patients. So shouldn't cigarettes and alcohol be illegal while pot be legalized?
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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Alcohol has the potential to "alleviate pain" when there's too much of it. Nicotine makes people who are addicted feel better. I wouldn't object if both were made illegal since I am not slave to either.



<< Do you drive? Ever break that speed limit? If so, shutup hypocrite. >>

Never

Nik
 

PistachioByAzul

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Marijuana is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known. No one has ever died from an overdose, and it has a wide variety of therapeutic applications:

Relief from nausea and increase of appetite;

Reduction of intraocular ("within the eye") pressure;

Reduction of muscle spasms;

Relief from chronic pain.
Marijuana is frequently beneficial in the treatment of the following conditions:

AIDS. Marijuana can reduce the nausea, vomiting, and loss of appetite caused by the ailment itself and by various AIDS medications.

Glaucoma. Marijuana can reduce intraocular pressure, thereby alleviating the pain and slowing -- and sometimes stopping -- the progress of the condition. (Glaucoma is the leading cause of blindness in the United States. It damages vision by increasing eye pressure over time.)

Cancer. Marijuana can stimulate the appetite and alleviate nausea and vomiting, which are common side effects of chemotherapy treatment.

Multiple Sclerosis. Marijuana can limit the muscle pain and spasticity caused by the disease, as well as relieving tremor and unsteadiness of gait. (Multiple sclerosis is the leading cause of neurological disability among young and middle-aged adults in the United States.)

Epilepsy. Marijuana can prevent epileptic seizures in some patients.

Chronic Pain. Marijuana can alleviate the chronic, often debilitating pain caused by myriad disorders and injuries.
Each of these applications has been deemed legitimate by at least one court, legislature, and/or government agency in the United States.

Many patients also report that marijuana is useful for treating arthritis, migraine, menstrual cramps, alcohol and opiate addiction, and depression and other debilitating mood disorders.


Now that we've got that out of the way, it's nice to see that you only chose to respond to one small section of my post. You are arguing with the vapor of propaganda. Try opening your mind instead of accepting things simply because that's how you've always thought of them.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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I will never "open my mind" to pot until it's made legal -and I won't be one voting for it's legality. Even if it becomes legal and is passed out free from the local authority, you can have my share because I'm keeping my nose clean.

Nik
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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<< I will never "open my mind" to pot until it's made legal -and I won't be one voting for it's legality. Even if it becomes legal and is passed out free from the local authority, you can have my share because I'm keeping my nose clean.

Nik
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So in other words, your opinions on law = everything legal is acceptable and everything illegal is bad? WOW, talk about being a conformist sheep.
 

Yea I feel sorry for you that you run your life by laws.
But we need cogs like you in the great american machine.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Have you any sense of civil liberties?

Computers can cause people to become anti-social. There's a theory that CRT monitors emit frequencies that stimulate the endorphin gland in a persons brain, producing a mild sedative effect (endorphins are what opium/morphine/heroin/codeine release). Since I'm not a slave of computers, they should be made illegal since they're not healthy.

Is that a good attitude?


Since you don't have an open mind about marijuana how can you comment on it. You have no understanding of the effects, the politics, the history, so you have nothing relevant to say. You've never tried it even once, what are you afraid of? Realizing that you have been wrong?

I get so caught up in this debate because it represents everything that is wrong with the world. There's absolutely no reason for marijuana to be illegal, and yet it is. People look down on it, while at the same time they victimize themself and others with alcohol, prescription drugs, fast food, television, the internet, driving, and all the other dangerous indulgences that are perfectly accetable and taken for granted.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
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If something comes up for debate on a legal ballot, I will vote the way I think it would profit the country. If I don't like the rules here, I'll move to another country who's rules comply with my beliefs.



<< You've never tried it even once, what are you afraid of? Realizing that you have been wrong? >>

No, breaking the law, lowering my standards, and disappointing myself.

Nik
 

PistachioByAzul

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So Rosa Parks shouldn't have broke the law by refusing to move to the back of the bus? The law's the law right? Being that it is seriously not fun to make laws and to keep family men away on long weekends and spend money to get bills through to be signed by the President, I guess women and blacks are actually inferior and don't deserve to have the same rights.

If you can't even try something like marijuana once to better understand it's essence before you judge it, your standards are already low. You were getting high from standing on a pedestal saying "drugs are bad mmmkay" with a sense of pride and moral superiority (on an internet bbs no less, behold the noble anti-drug crusader, he's so pure!), and now that everyone has shattered it by proving it an illusion of negative stigma and propaganda, you're struggling to pick up the pieces and backtracking in all sorts of dangerous directions.


 

murphy55d

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I've never smoked ANYTHING, cigarette cigar marijuana whatever(or drank...just my personal thing), but my feeling is that if someone wants to inhale something into their bodies, then by all means, if you're an adult, do as you choose. Wanna drink gasoline? I don't care. Just don't force it on me.
 

milagro

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<< IMO pot should be totally legalized and sold through ABC stores, and ABC stores should be a nation-wide thing, not just here in the south east. >>



I thought they only had those in Hawaii...hey you know in Saipan, they have 123 stores...
 

milagro

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<< I will never "open my mind" to pot until it's made legal -and I won't be one voting for it's legality. Even if it becomes legal and is passed out free from the local authority, you can have my share because I'm keeping my nose clean.

Nik
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...hmmm..snort marijuana...interesting
 
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