Are you buying a GTX 1070/1080?

[Lepton87]

Based on the performance of 1080 vs 980ti, and how much the 1070 is cut down, it is a good bet that it will be slower than an aftermarket 980ti. Maxwell driver neglect will push the 1070 ahead though. But at launch, it will be equal best case given we see a 1.5ghz 980ti sitting alongside a stock 1080.

Buying fresh I wouldn't get a 980ti over a 1070, but swapping from a 980ti to a 1070 would be foolish.

I don't know about that maxwell neglect, the architecture seems largely the same, certainly more similar then Maxwell 1.0 to 2.0. Did the 750Ti fell in performance relative to the newer maxwell cards? The SM units seem the same the only change that I saw mentioned is some optimization of the critical paths for higher clocks.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they will specifically optimize drivers for maxwell, NV would never do such a thing, all I'm saying is that it might be impossible to improve just pascal unless they would cripple maxwell by purpose for example by running different shaders. They can do that, but it wouldn't be neglect but outright sabotage which might certainly happen as they did that before. Remember tessellating the flat ocean?

 

[EightySix Four]

Missing an option: No, I'm waiting to see how the competition plays out.

 

[tajoh111]

Founder's edition turns out to be about 10% faster than best aftermarket 980Ti cards and it doesn't overclock well.

overclocking is also similar and people actually sold such 980tis. 300$ more for 12%. Way to go!

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/26.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/30.html

What a great leap in overclocked performance!

You can't base everything on the stock cooler on how well these cards are going to overclock. Look at the gtx 980 ti for example.

Techpowerup, gtx 980 ti review.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/34.html

They had a 26% overclock in their first gtx 980 ti review which only translated into 9.4% more performance.

And based on this you could assume that overclocking doesn't scale well....

And you would be wrong. It took factory overclocked gtx 980 ti's to show what the GPU is capable of.

In techpowerups gtx 1080 review, the results are actually slightly better than the initial gtx 980 ti review. Wizard got a 28% overclock which resulted in 12.8% more performance.

So it's a bit early to close the book on gtx 1080 overclocking if gtx 980 ti results are anything to go by.

 

[sze5003]

Since I will be in need of an upgrade my best guess is to wait until Amd releases new cards.

Either a 1070/1080 would be better than what I have now. I was thinking 1080 and I should be able to afford it seeing how I paid a similar amount for my current card when it came out.

But I'd rather wait until both companies have them released with benchmarks.

 

[UaVaj]

now that the gtx 1080 reviews are confirmed.

gtx 1080 x3 would nicely run dell 1600p x3.

saldy that dinosaurs sli bridge is a failed.

 

[boozzer]

New Gameworks features will be based on things Pascal can do but Maxwell cannot. Plain and simple. Nvidia will obviously reward their latest gen gamers just like they did in the past.

if 1070 vs 980 ti, oc vs oc is within 5-10% performance difference, I 100% agree with your statement. support for pascal, non support for maxwell can easily make up the difference and more.

We need benchmarks.

 

[Lepton87]

You can't base everything on the stock cooler on how well these cards are going to overclock. Look at the gtx 980 ti for example.

Techpowerup, gtx 980 ti review.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_Ti/34.html

They had a 26% overclock in their first gtx 980 ti review which only translated into 9.4% more performance.

And based on this you could assume that overclocking doesn't scale well....

And you would be wrong. It took factory overclocked gtx 980 ti's to show what the GPU is capable of.

In techpowerups gtx 1080 review, the results are actually slightly better than the initial gtx 980 ti review. Wizard got a 28% overclock which resulted in 12.8% more performance.

So it's a bit early to close the book on gtx 1080 overclocking if gtx 980 ti results are anything to go by.

I thought I wrote clearly that I'm talking about founder's edition.

Founder's edition turns out to be about 10% faster than best aftermarket 980Ti cards and it doesn't overclock well.

 

[MagickMan]

I can't believe people have that much disposable income. That just is mind-boggling to me.

For most it's "disposable" credit. :\

 

[selni]

Missing an option: No, I'm waiting to see how the competition plays out.

This, still very likely to hear something about polaris before the 1070 is available.

 

[khon]

This, still very likely to hear something about polaris before the 1070 is available.

Same for me.

I'd prefer to buy a card around $250, but might end up buying the 1070 if AMD strikes out.

 

[guskline]

For a new build high end, the GTX 1080 is probably the top contender unless you buy a Fury X but that probably won't happen very much.

I see the real battleground to be GTX 1070 vs Polaris (is it 10 or 11, I get mixed up). The value of releasing the GTX 1080 a bit earlier, is in my opinion, shows the sheer genius of Nvidia. Get the masses in a frenzy, get their eyes glazed and create that mindset that the 1070 will likewise be amazing. Look at some of the posts claiming the 1070 will equal the GTX 980TI (may be true but overall??/)

All of this frenzy really puts AMD in a bind. Polaris is likely to be a solid chip with longer lasting potential because I follow these forums closely. The problem is AMD has NOTHING new to challenge the GTX 1080 (Please don't tell me about Fury X so I don't have to hear anymore about "overclocker's dream -Joe Macri). Moreover, when will Polaris not just launch but be available?

I fear that if Nvidia launches the GTX 1070 and has it available before Polaris hits the shelves, the bulk of the new money will go to Nvdia.

I hope and pray Dr. Su and her team are developing solid chips both gpu AND cpu. The problem seems to be where are they?

P.S. I like products from both camps and have used both. Trouble is, when I go to "upgrade" it seems, more and more, that Nvidia has slightly better gpus at the time for the same money and Intel has clearly better cpus.

 

[guskline]

Same for me.

I'd prefer to buy a card around $250, but might end up buying the 1070 if AMD strikes out.

khon, if the Polaris and GTX 1070 are nearly equal in price and performance but the Nvidia card releases and is available but Polaris is at least a 2 month wait, would you wait for it?

 

[sze5003]

khon, if the Polaris and GTX 1070 are nearly equal in price and performance but the Nvidia card releases and is available but Polaris is at least a 2 month wait, would you wait for it?

If they are equal in price and performance I wouldn't wait. I'm waiting right now to switch out my 7970 and I've had this thing for a long time.

Something tells me they won't be equal in price and I'm betting amd will be less expensive.

I'm also curious to see what happens with the 980ti prices. For me it's either going to be a 1070 or Polaris equivalent or a 980ti.

I'd get the 1080 if I could upgrade my monitor at the same time but I won't.

 

[raghu78]

khon, if the Polaris and GTX 1070 are nearly equal in price and performance but the Nvidia card releases and is available but Polaris is at least a 2 month wait, would you wait for it?

People buy products when they want. Brand conscious consumers will go with Nvidia anyday as they are the stronger brand. AMD appeals to people who want the best bang for their buck. Those kind of people wait for product to be available from both camps to make an informed decision.

We have no idea of Polaris performance but have a clear idea of GTX 1080 performance and a rough idea of GTX 1070 performance (Titan X + 5-10% performance). Firstly if Polaris is launching much later than GTX 1070 you will not know about its actual performance till reviews go up on launch day. So the buyer has to make his decision solely based on GTX 1070 perf and price. If AMD gives a launch date for Polaris at Computex then the vlaue conscious buyer might want to wait till that date and see which product offers better value for their money. If AMD do not have any information about Polaris launch date at Computex then most people who want a GPU upgrade in that price range will go for GTX 1070.

btw we are yet to see the actual supply situation on GTX 1080 and GTX 1070. It makes perfect sense for AMD to launch when they have good product volume built for launch and have a steep ramp to cope with demand in the weeks/months following launch. I think a late June / early July launch of Polaris is likely. But we will know more at Computex when AMD provides more information.

 

[provost]

khon, if the Polaris and GTX 1070 are nearly equal in price and performance but the Nvidia card releases and is available but Polaris is at least a 2 month wait, would you wait for it?

Although this hypothetical question isn't being asked of me, however if it was, my hypothetical answer would be, YES, I would wait. Perhaps, a better question would be why wouldn't anyone wait to see what Polaris brings to the table?- after all are there any games coming out in the next two months that anyone is dying to play which can not be played on whatever card they are planning to replace .....lol

 

[khon]

khon, if the Polaris and GTX 1070 are nearly equal in price and performance but the Nvidia card releases and is available but Polaris is at least a 2 month wait, would you wait for it?

No, why would I ? I don't care if my graphics card is from AMD or NVIDIA, I just whichever card best suits my needs. I would only wait long enough to confirm that the performance is indeed similar, then I would buy what is available.

If anything I would have a slight bias in favor of the 1070, not because it's an NVIDIA product, but because it's made by tsmc. I work in the industry, and I have personally worked with both tsmc and GF, and frankly I don't have much confidence in GF.

 

[guskline]

Thank you khon.

BTW, I don't work in the industry but have the same opinion of TSMC vs GF from what I read and what I have experienced.

 

[maddie]

For a new build high end, the GTX 1080 is probably the top contender unless you buy a Fury X but that probably won't happen very much.

I see the real battleground to be GTX 1070 vs Polaris (is it 10 or 11, I get mixed up). The value of releasing the GTX 1080 a bit earlier, is in my opinion, shows the sheer genius of Nvidia. Get the masses in a frenzy, get their eyes glazed and create that mindset that the 1070 will likewise be amazing. Look at some of the posts claiming the 1070 will equal the GTX 980TI (may be true but overall??/)

All of this frenzy really puts AMD in a bind. Polaris is likely to be a solid chip with longer lasting potential because I follow these forums closely. The problem is AMD has NOTHING new to challenge the GTX 1080 (Please don't tell me about Fury X so I don't have to hear anymore about "overclocker's dream -Joe Macri). Moreover, when will Polaris not just launch but be available?

I fear that if Nvidia launches the GTX 1070 and has it available before Polaris hits the shelves, the bulk of the new money will go to Nvdia.

I hope and pray Dr. Su and her team are developing solid chips both gpu AND cpu. The problem seems to be where are they?

P.S. I like products from both camps and have used both. Trouble is, when I go to "upgrade" it seems, more and more, that Nvidia has slightly better gpus at the time for the same money and Intel has clearly better cpus.

Outside of the FuryX / 980Ti matchup where pretty much everyone agreed that Nvidia was the better choice, do you really think this?

390/970, 980/390X, 380/960?

 

[railven]

Outside of the FuryX / 980Ti matchup where pretty much everyone agreed that Nvidia was the better choice, do you really think this?

390/970, 980/390X, 380/960?

Keyword is when he goes to upgrade, so that depends at what time point.

Tell you what, when I went to upgrade GTX 780 Lightning cost LESS than R9 290 reference! D:

 

[maddie]

Keyword is when he goes to upgrade, so that depends at what time point.

Tell you what, when I went to upgrade GTX 780 Lightning cost LESS than R9 290 reference! D:

The same thing happened to me. The problem is that the mining boom was a unique event. A one time event. The statement, as made however, is general.

"Trouble is, when I go to "upgrade" it seems, more and more, that Nvidia has slightly better gpus at the time for the same money

 

[railven]

The same thing happened to me. The problem is that the mining boom was a unique event. A one time event. The statement, as made however, is general.

Glad someone else remembers the mining inflation.

 

[Arachnotronic]

btw we are yet to see the actual supply situation on GTX 1080 and GTX 1070. It makes perfect sense for AMD to launch when they have good product volume built for launch and have a steep ramp to cope with demand in the weeks/months following launch. I think a late June / early July launch of Polaris is likely. But we will know more at Computex when AMD provides more information.

I'm sure the supply situation for 1080/1070 will be fine. First few weeks, like it almost always is, might be tough as there is a surge of buyers (as well as scalpers), but I think if somebody wants a 1080/1070 they'll be able to get one soon enough.

 

[sze5003]

I always go for the best value for my money. I don't mind spending more but if one card or brand offers similar performance for a slightly lower price I don't see a problem with it. If I were to get a 1440p monitor I would definitely get a 1080. I've had both card brands and luckily no trouble with either.

 

[KentState]

I've been contemplating this a lot lately and without games to push a new card, I don't see the point in buying one. Star Citizen is still a ways out and there isn't anything else on the horizon until the fall. No use buying a card just to run benchmarks.

 

[maddie]

I'm sure the supply situation for 1080/1070 will be fine. First few weeks, like it almost always is, might be tough as there is a surge of buyers (as well as scalpers), but I think if somebody wants a 1080/1070 they'll be able to get one soon enough.

Seriously man, try to be logical.

You can't get scalpers if you have good supply.

Sales, meaning availability, therefore must be low. Therefore, how can the "supply situation for 1080/1070 will be fine", in your words?