Are you buying Haswell?

[Rvenger]

I would have gone with the Asus Pro, I really liked my P67 Pro board.

However because of the combo on Newegg, I didn't think it was worth $30 more than the GD65.

I don't need bluetooth or Wifi or any of the extra options on it.

Not to take anything away from the Pro, if it was as good as my p67 it's a great board... My p67 Pro took my i5-2500k to 5.5GHz @ 1.525v

The GD65 is a good value and it seems to have offset voltage. That would have been my second choice and I wish it was my 1st now. At least I seem to have this board running but its a little buggy. I guess I have to wait for a bios update to fix some of the issues.

 

[Haserath]

It's going to be a great CPU, but it won't magically overclock better than existing 22nm parts. The problem is the same, but worse: you're dissipating heat from a smaller surface area, therefore temperatures will be higher - IB-E will theoretically have even higher temps than IB due to the additional cores.

They won't be hotter if they add solder.

In fact, the limiting factor for Ivy is the connection with the IHS. Other than that it's just about the same as Sandy.

 

[Vesku]

I'm having some slight issues with mine as well, but it seems to only be in the BIOS. I'll be working in the BIOS, and all of a sudden, it locks up. After about 15 seconds, I get this weird alternating block pattern at the top of the screen. I did update my BIOS to the latest (1.5), and that didn't fix the problem. I am getting an "A6" on the Dr. Debug LED (an issue with the SATA6 (AMedia Port 0)) while in the BIOS, but it doesn't show it outside of the BIOS. I tried plugging a device into that port, and it actually hung up the system at POST. After that, I tried it in the eSATA port (same as AMedia Port 0), which worked fine, and then SATA6 worked fine. Who knows?

Although, I'm not super enthused with the board. One thing that bugs me is awful UEFI implementations, and ASRock's is pretty bad. I think it's faster to just use the old keyboard-only BIOS implementations than to use that pitiful piece of junk. The worst aspect is that the mouse scroll only changes to the next item in the list and very slowly at that.

EDIT:

Also, someone was talking about the board being 8x-4x-4x, but that's only if you're populating all three PCI-E 16x slots. The manual states that it's 16x-0-0, 8x-8x-0, or 8x-4x-4x.

I am also not impressed with Asrock's UEFI implementation. I have mixed experience with MSI, some good some bad, but I can say their UEFI is superior to Asrock's imo.

 

[blackened23]

They won't be hotter if they add solder.

In fact, the limiting factor for Ivy is the connection with the IHS. Other than that it's just about the same as Sandy.

Except it has more cores and it will be the same or (probably) worse compared to IB - it will also have an appreciably higher TDP. IVB is 77W, i'm guessing IB-E will generally be around 135. It won't be dissimilar to SB-E compared to SB, where SB-E overclocks well but not as well as SB. Additionally, you cannot avoid the physics problem of dissipating heat from a smaller surface area - that combined with the additional cores and higher TDP will not make temps better than IB. IMHO. Solder may offset that slightly but it will not eliminate the two aforementioned issues. It will not be like SB-E temperature wise.

 

[chizow]

The MSI Z87-GD65 should be $120 after the $40 combo this weekend, good til Sunday probably. There was a mailer today dropping it down to $140 after $40 but when you click the link on their site it actually shows $160, if you add to cart and add a 4770K it drops the board down to $120. Great price on this board. May want to purchase online before going just to be sure you get that price, but it should ring up at $160 in their POS since online shows it at $160.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/414818/Z87-GD65_Gaming_Socket_LGA_1150_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

That tom's Z87 motherboard review doesn't surprise me. I've seen friends go through painful experiences with other brands of boards but i've always used Asus and have never had one single problem for years, among many asus boards through several generations.

It's not surprising that the Asus Z87 pro won in that tom's motherboard roundup - maybe this sounds lame but i've always been super pleased with quality of their mainstream (eg pro, deluxe) motherboards. They also have some great user forums and staff that is helpful in terms of giving advice to users about optimizing overclocks - one such example is the extensive Z87 overclock guide that JJ from Asus created. I don't see other board manufacturers doing things like that, going the extra mile. Reading the horror stories here and elsewhere about ASrock boards makes me appreciate them that much more - sounds like the Asus Z87 pro is the way to go for a 200$ range Z87 board.

I've had generally good experiences with Asus as well, one dud with the P5N-E SLI. P5Q-E was great, P6T was so-so (bad SLI layout). The Z87-Pro had too many features I didn't need and couldn't really justify the extra $50 or so it would've cost me. The Z87-Plus was probably the right balance, but I decided to go with the Gigabyte UD4 because it was a lot cheaper. I was never that impressed with Gigabyte boards in the past but I've been hearing better things about them the last few generations, figured I'd give it a shot.

 

[2is]

Gigabyte boards are good, is rank them a close 2nd to ASUS IMO. I've used them pretty often and with the exception of their early Z77 boards having a reboot cycle issue, I've never had a problem with one.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I thought Gigabyte's boot loop problem was more acute with the Z68?

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

The MSI Z87-GD65 should be $120 after the $40 combo this weekend, good til Sunday probably. There was a mailer today dropping it down to $140 after $40 but when you click the link on their site it actually shows $160, if you add to cart and add a 4770K it drops the board down to $120. Great price on this board. May want to purchase online before going just to be sure you get that price, but it should ring up at $160 in their POS since online shows it at $160.

Holy sh*t!
I just keep saving money on my purchase. Thanks for the heads up, will head to MC to get my price protection adjustment.

 

[2is]

I thought Gigabyte's boot loop problem was more acute with the Z68?

Maybe they're not so good then, if it spanned two chipset families? I know it affected Z77 because I have one that I've been too lazy to RMA lol.

 

[Haserath]

Except it has more cores and it will be the same or (probably) worse compared to IB - it will also have an appreciably higher TDP. IVB is 77W, i'm guessing IB-E will generally be around 135. It won't be dissimilar to SB-E compared to SB, where SB-E overclocks well but not as well as SB. Additionally, you cannot avoid the physics problem of dissipating heat from a smaller surface area - that combined with the additional cores and higher TDP will not make temps better than IB. IMHO. Solder may offset that slightly but it will not eliminate the two aforementioned issues. It will not be like SB-E temperature wise.

Once the cooler is able to handle heat transfer to the air efficiently, the bottleneck is under the IHS.

IB with paste vs IBE with solder on an H110 would have IBE cooler per core. Do remember that with the increased TDP is a much greater area of dissipation for the die.

SBE was hotter beause SB also had solder. Which meant the higher TDP chip put more heat into the system(still with higher dissipation area 435mm^2, I think) without a benefit of better transfer of heat to IHS.

Against SBE, IBE may be a bit warmer since process hasn't scaled power down as much as feature size. But it shouldn't be as bad as SB to IB.
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Where is that extra TDP going to come from on IBE? If they're adding anything then that wouldn't affect temperatures of other parts of the die. It shouldn't be the same 130W TDP if they're merely shrinking. If they raise clocks, then of course temps will be higher.

 

[blackened23]

Now that I think of it, i'm not entirely convinced that IB-E will use solder. It *might* and I know a lot of people have grand conspiracy theories about why intel switched from solder to TIM. It is likely due to the smaller manufacturing process, using solder adds significant mechanical stress which would cause issues with cracking or failure. On one hand, two additional cores would make sense to have solder - but it certainly isn't a guaranteed outcome; if it's a smaller process like IVB was it may actually use TIM as IVB did, to prevent mechanical stress. Solder vs TIM is not a cost issue - IVB is just a much smaller and more fragile part than SB was, obviously mechanical stress is a factor to consider when using solder. There are a lot of other unrelated considerations as well to guarantee quality of the product, even if it means a slightly worse overclocking part.

In any case, IMHO, IVB-E will be thermally limited just as IVB was. I don't get why anyone would think magic to bypass physics and engineering will suddenly make IVB-E the best overclocker in the world, when it has more cores and higher TDP than IVB does. Now, don't get me wrong i'm very excited about IVB-E but I certainly don't expect people to be hitting 5ghz with ease. I do hope i'm wrong, but I just can't see it happening.

Where is that extra TDP going to come from on IBE? If they're adding anything then that wouldn't affect temperatures of other parts of the die. It shouldn't be the same 130W TDP if they're merely shrinking. If they raise clocks, then of course temps will be higher.

Uhm, you realize that by being hexa core that it WILL have a higher TDP yeah? It probably won't be 130W (depending on final clockspeeds) but it won't be as low as IVB. That's a guaranteed outcome, it will have a higher TDP than 3770k.

 

[2is]

If IBE uses solder, I have a feeling a lot more of us will be holding out for E series CPUs. It's too bad they get introduced already a generation behind.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I thought Gigabyte's boot loop problem was more acute with the Z68?

My P67 UD4 died like that, right before the chipset recall.. Literally, I RMA'ed, they recalled, I took a refund instead of waiting the however many months it was, I want to say three...

No Gigabyte for me this time, maybe next but one purchase period doghouse penalty enforced!

 

[Haserath]

Uhm, you realize that by being hexa core that it WILL have a higher TDP yeah? It probably won't be 130W (depending on final clockspeeds) but it won't be as low as IVB. That's a guaranteed outcome, it will have a higher TDP than 3770k.

IBE is the successor to SBE, which has a 130W TDP. You said you expected a 135W TDP.

 

[bgt]

So its not overpriced.

Its how you look at it but..............I'll buy it a bit later when the mobo's have the new chip.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

im really surprised 54% of people are claiming to have no interest in haswell. i bet within a year 90% of people here will have bought it. its going to be around for the next year and a half...

 

[StrangerGuy]

im really surprised 54% of people are claiming to have no interest in haswell. i bet within a year 90% of people here will have bought it. its going to be around for the next year and a half...

I gotta thank Intel for letting me make an easy decision keep my 2500K for at least another 1.5 years then.

 

[AtenRa]

Voted NO, ill wait for IV-E to see what happens.

 

[guskline]

I'm sticking with my rigs below. Haswell would require BOTH a new cpu and mb. The gains from my 3770k would not make it worth both a cpu and mb. Time to seriously save for a socket 2011 rig!

 

[zambien1]

I won't be buying one. I am currently running an e6400 and playing games at 1920x1200. Bought an SSD a year ago so games would load faster and have been fine up until some of this year's games (Neverwinter MMO is an example).

Based on the reviews I've seen unless you really need the newer tech I'm shooting for a 2500k. Seems to be the cheapest option for me to run games well. I thought about just getting a q6600 since I would only need the CPU but I don't think that is going to be enough.

 

[hahallur]

Could someone tell me if there is any difference between i7 4770k and 4770 performance wise, if I'm not planning on overclocking?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Could someone tell me if there is any difference between i7 4770k and 4770 performance wise, if I'm not planning on overclocking?

Then buy the cheaper non K.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/75122,75123

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Haswell isn't going to be the downfall if intel, but think of this. Next-gen, intel continues with the "good enough" idea. Then, AMD releases a mildly surprising CPU. Intel keep their pricing, AMD keeps theirs. Now, the generation after that, AMD gets a little bit better, and intel keeps the "good enough" theory. I'm not saying intel will become AMD, nor the other way around, but it might get a bit more competitive and that'll make us happy.

 

[2is]

Haswell isn't going to be the downfall if intel, but think of this. Next-gen, intel continues with the "good enough" idea. Then, AMD releases a mildly surprising CPU. Intel keep their pricing, AMD keeps theirs. Now, the generation after that, AMD gets a little bit better, and intel keeps the "good enough" theory. I'm not saying intel will become AMD, nor the other way around, but it might get a bit more competitive and that'll make us happy.

Well that's what it took a decade ago to get intel back into shape. 3 generations with minimal parity between them is kind of disappointing.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Could someone tell me if there is any difference between i7 4770k and 4770 performance wise, if I'm not planning on overclocking?