Are you buying Haswell?

[T_Yamamoto]

videogames are for babies, i'd rather create than consume

if you want a flashback to turbo button era computing, try running a few linear phase equalizers at a high sampling rate

it's not that computers have gotten fast but it's the things that we use them for have gotten slow, it's commodity fetishism with no application

watch some streaming 1080p product placement, play something derivative, listen to something selected for you

oh wait I'm sorry I'm still on Anandtech forums? Woops I thought I was on libcom.org

Video games are still very relevant.

I'm guessing you're older than the average range of people who play video games. You must be past 50

 

[scannall]

Video games are still very relevant.

I'm guessing you're older than the average range of people who play video games. You must be past 50

Eh, I'm well over 50 and still play video games when i have time. I just look at what is actually needed instead of a cool CPU-z screen. I have plenty of things to tinker with, so worrying about a small speed increase just doesn't make it on to my radar screen.

 

[Name User]

Video games are still very relevant.

I'm guessing you're older than the average range of people who play video games. You must be past 50

no im in my 20s having a crisis that i wasted too many years consuming stupid products and playing games

i want computers that do stuff, not computers that let me watch stuff being done

mobile tech is frightening once you realize that mobile apps are all garbage and the division between casual entry level apps and professional ones gets wider and wider

it's an artificial barrier that keeps people complacent and unproductive

 

[T_Yamamoto]

no im in my 20s having a crisis that i wasted too many years consuming stupid products and playing games

i want computers that do stuff, not computers that let me watch stuff being done

mobile tech is frightening once you realize that mobile apps are all garbage and the division between casual entry level apps and professional ones gets wider and wider

it's an artificial barrier that keeps people complacent and unproductive

Ah I see.

Might as well be 50.

 

[Name User]

even magazine ads back in the day confirm this, people used to think that having some powerhouse workstation would be cool because they could create anything, be their own pixar, be their own orchestra, design their next house

of course your average 90s suburban dad never did anything creative with a computer beyond a shiny rotating cube and some midi butt-jazz, but at least the dude had ambition

now people knowingly buy products to facilitate consumption and nothing more, it is horrifying

some day rendering pipelines are going to be arbitrarily locked to $10,000 xeons while your 0.5mw pentium core i9000 is going to be optimized for 8K shopping in stereoscopic 3D

here are wacka flocka's thoughts on the state of CPUs in 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J7h5Eb2PJk

 

[alkemyst]

U hit the nail on the head with this.

Even for gaming @ 1080p + u wont see a difference with a more powerful cpu, its all GPU bound @ that point. So yes the question still stands, what WOULD anyone do with more cpu power?

Some are multitasking a lot more than others...it's a niche just like those that render and encode.

 

[Eureka]

no im in my 20s having a crisis that i wasted too many years consuming stupid products and playing games

i want computers that do stuff, not computers that let me watch stuff being done

mobile tech is frightening once you realize that mobile apps are all garbage and the division between casual entry level apps and professional ones gets wider and wider

it's an artificial barrier that keeps people complacent and unproductive

That sounds like a personal problem, not a product problem. Rather, it sounds like products are doing exactly what they should: purpose-built for economy.

You forget that a half-decent "workstation" in the 90s cost far more than your mid-range computer now. Taking into inflation, you could have bought a mid-range computer and a tablet for the price of one Win98 computer. Today I can build a nice FX-8350 or i5 system for less than $600. Add $300 to get a tablet, and we're still under $1000.

Mobile apps means that, when I'm actually mobile, I have a light and efficient program for doing what I need to do, while saving battery life. I also don't want to pay more for a machine that will let me go online, edit a few pictures, and shop.

On the other hand, I would have to say, it's actually never been easier to do professional-quality work at an amateur level. Google Sketch-up is free. Eagle PCB is free. Creo sketch is free. GIMP is free. I don't remember anything near this level of quality growing up.

Sorry, I'm in my 20s and I don't have a crisis because I'm actually producing things at work. OTOH, I like my gaming. I don't need to be productive at home.

U hit the nail on the head with this.

Even for gaming @ 1080p + u wont see a difference with a more powerful cpu, its all GPU bound @ that point. So yes the question still stands, what WOULD anyone do with more cpu power?

Yes you do. One 1920x1080p screen, and I'm still dropping to 60 FPS in BF3 multiplayer because of CPU bottleneck (i5 at 4.6 GHz at the moment). I want to hold 120 fps, but even the best processors I can get will net me maybe another 20% increase in performance, at best. So, give me more power!

 

[essential]

Anyone know if a Haswell desktop CPU will be released with the Iris Pro (5200) graphics, or are those only going to be in mobile CPUs? Are the 4600 the best a desktop CPU will ever have?

 

[LogOver]

Anyone know if a Haswell desktop CPU will be released with the Iris Pro (5200) graphics, or are those only going to be in mobile CPUs? Are the 4600 the best a desktop CPU will ever have?

i7-4770R - $392
i5-4670R - $310
i5-4570R - $288

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...une_09_13_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

These are manufactured in BGA packages (means soldered on MB) so will be available from OEMs System Builders or as CPU+MB packages.

 

[xijox]

i7-4770R - $392
i5-4670R - $310
i5-4570R - $288

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...une_09_13_Recommended_Customer_Price_List.pdf

These are manufactured in BGA packages (means soldered on MB) so will be available from OEMs System Builders or as CPU+MB packages.

Glad to finally see a price for the i7-4770R, thanks LogOver!

Has Asus announced if/when they will release a BGA MB with this processor? I've been watching Anand's videos, but I don't think they've mentioned a board with this processor yet.