BWA HA HA HA HA!!
99.9% of the righties on this board haven't the first clue as to what a leftist is.
BWA HA HA HA HA!!Originally posted by: piasabird
I am ready for a female president, but I want someone with some character and personal values. Hillary does not fit that bill. She does not represent mainstream America. She is a leftist eletist [sic] radical. She is the opposite of Buchanan.
Most voters now say there's no way they'd vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton if she runs for president in 2008 - while just 16 percent are firmly in her camp, a stunning new poll shows.
CNNGALLUP found that 51 percent say they definitely won't vote for Clinton (D-N.Y.) in 2008, another 32 percent might consider it, and only 16 percent vow to back her. That means committed anti-Hillary voters outnumber pro-Hillary voters by 3-1. The poll suggests she can forget about crossover votes - 90 percent of Republicans and 75 percent of conservatives say there's no way they'd back her.
Meanwhile, 46% said they would oppose Secretary of State Rice if she ran for President - a step Rice has repeatedly said she won't take.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
'cos you're gonna have one in less than 2 years
How will America adjust to a female President? Discuss.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Tom Vislack will be the 2008 Democratic Nominee and eventual president. You heard it here first.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Tom Vislack will be the 2008 Democratic Nominee and eventual president. You heard it here first.
Yeah right. Some dude with a funny foriegn name I never even heard of? Is he good looking?
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Tom Vislack will be the 2008 Democratic Nominee and eventual president. You heard it here first.
Yeah right. Some dude with a funny foriegn name I never even heard of? Is he good looking?
Without Googling, I'm pretty sure he's the Governer of Iowa. I have no clue if he's good looking or not.
Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see democrats winning a national race since Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control elections. Even some republicans and GAO have talked about it. But good looking would help.
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see democrats winning a national race since Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control elections. Even some republicans and GAO have talked about it. But good looking would help.
Its disgusting that people are aware of this kind of fraud, yet nothing's done and to make it worse, people like our resident Republicans either deny it or don't care.
Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see democrats winning a national race since Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control elections. Even some republicans and GAO have talked about it. But good looking would help.
Originally posted by: Zebo
All democrats pining for Hillary ought to read this:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8428
She makes Bush look like Ghandi.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I don't think Hillary will win... for a number of reasons.
First, she is an amazingly polarizing figure. Love her or hate her... there isn't much middle ground. Of all the candidates expected to run on either side (with the possible exception of Newt Gingrich) she enters with the greatest percentage of voters already saying yes/no. She will have a hard time changing any opinions of herself and has a huge uphill battle to swing any voters to her side that aren't already there.
Second, she has a lot of skeletons in her closet from her "husband's" term in office. If you thought the Swift Boat Vets were digging up some questionable stuff on Kerry, wait till you see what comes out when Hill decides to run for prez. The right will have had 8 years to fully flesh out the scandals she and Bill managed to side-step when he was in office. (And yes, his actions will reflect on her) She'll be more prepared for it than Kerry was but it will be every bit as damaging if not more.
Third, have you ever heard her give a speech? She gives a droning monotone that escalates in volume until it's so shrill it hurts. At that point it doesn't matter what she's saying, nobody wants to hear it. Sad to say it but the race for prez is as much a popularity contest as anything... and she doesn't have what Bill had. There is nothing particularly endearing about her.
Fourth, it would be a mistake to think that anyone is just going to hand the nomination to her. The Dems made that mistake with Kerry last time around. They might be a little skittish about doing it this time around. There is a whole cast of characters in the Democratic party who will be formidable opponents. They have more experience, less controversy and are just plain more likeable than Hill.
The few things she does have going for her are substantial though. Let's face it... there are a lot of women who will vote for her JUST because she's a woman. It may sound superficial to say it but you're kidding yourself if you discount that fact. Combine that with the narrow margin between left/right in this country and there is more than just a little bit of potential for her to pull it off. Another thing she has is the ability to raise money by the truckload. Her candidacy will not be hurting for millionaire donors.
Ultimately it will come down to who the Republican candidate is. Rudy could beat her. The big question with him is if the Republicans will vote for a pro-choice guy. There are a couple of other possibilities out there as well.
Either way, I predict that this will be the NASTIEST presidential campaign we've seen in our lifetimes. Don't forget your helmet.
Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see democrats winning a national race since Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control elections. Even some republicans and GAO have talked about it. But good looking would help.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't see democrats winning a national race since Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control elections. Even some republicans and GAO have talked about it. But good looking would help.
Ayup... It couldn't be the lack of an agenda or (if you want to argue that the Dems have an agenda) the public's rejection thereof. Couldn't possibly be the a failure to produce a viable candidate. Nope... Must be those darned Republicans controlling the voting machines! Now it all makes sense. :roll:
ALBANY, N.Y. ? Six in 10 New York voters believe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is planning to run for president in 2008, but only about a third of her home-state voters say they would back her if she did so, a statewide poll reported Thursday.
Almost half of New York voters, including three of every 10 Democrats, said they would not vote for her for president, according to the poll from Siena College's Research Institute.
The Siena findings mirror those reported by Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion in a January poll that found 59 percent of New York voters said they expect Clinton to run for president, but 62 percent said it was unlikely she could win.
Clinton's prospects are brighter, however, when it comes to how New Yorkers feel about re-electing her this year to another six-year Senate term, according to the Siena poll. Fifty-seven percent of voters said they would vote to re-elect her while 38 percent said they would prefer someone else.
The Siena poll found her leading one possible GOP challenger, former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer, 57 percent to 32 percent. She led the little-known contender, 58 percent to 31 percent, in a January poll from the Albany area-based institute.
Asked whether they had a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Spencer, 77 percent of voters said they didn't know enough about him to decide.
Joseph Caruso, Siena's polling director, did note the former first lady's favorable rating in New York had slipped to 55 percent, down from 60 percent in January.
"Republicans are firming up their opposition to the junior senator and it's starting to show," Caruso said.
In fact, the state of the GOP's challenge to Clinton is in a state of uncertainty.
For instance, the bulk of Siena's polling was conducted before former Pentagon official Kathleen Troia "KT" McFarland announced on Monday she would also seek the GOP Senate nomination. She was not included in the polling.
And, in December, former prosecutor Jeanine Pirro decided to quit the race for the GOP nomination after she failed to raise much money or interest in her campaign despite being endorsed by Republican Gov. George Pataki. The former Westchester County district attorney is now running for state attorney general.
Spencer spokesman Christian Winthrop, noting Clinton's advantage had dropped from a 32-point lead in November to a 25-point margin in the new poll, said: "We're happy at the momentum of the campaign. We suspect that when more light shines on this race, John Spencer will continue to rise and Senator Clinton will continue to fall."
On the presidential front, New Yorkers think more highly of Clinton than they do of Pataki. Thirty-seven percent of New York voters polled said they believed Pataki would run for president in 2008 and just 20 percent, including 30 percent of Republicans, said they would vote for him if he did.
Pataki, recuperating from having his appendix removed last month, announced in July he would not seek a fourth, four-year term this year. He is eyeing a run for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.
Sixty percent of New York voters, including 67 percent of Republicans, said they believed Clinton would run for the White House while 36 percent ? 55 percent of Democrats, but 16 percent of Republicans ? said they would vote for her if she made such a run. Forty-eight percent said they would not support a Clinton-for-president effort.
While Clinton leads national polls among potential 2008 Democratic presidential contenders, she has said she is thinking only about her re-election race and not a national race.
If the 2008 presidential candidates happened to be Clinton and Pataki, New York voters would back the former first lady, 49 percent to 36 percent, the poll found.
Siena's telephone poll of 620 registered voters was conducted March 1-7 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Clinton: helllllllz no.
But that has nothing at all to do with her being female. I'll have absolutely no problem voting for a woman as President IF there is one worth voting for someday. and Hillary aint that woman...
Originally posted by: will889
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Clinton: helllllllz no.
But that has nothing at all to do with her being female. I'll have absolutely no problem voting for a woman as President IF there is one worth voting for someday. and Hillary aint that woman...
Here here .^ Agreed. Just say no to the Hillary.
Senator Hillary Clinton is the favourite among Democratic voters to be the party's candidate in the 2008 presidential election, according to a poll.
But only 12 percent of Democrat electors believe the wife of ex-president Bill Clinton can overcome the hostility of US Republicans to take the White House, according to the Financial Dynamics poll for The Hotline political newsletter.
The New York senator had support from 38 percent of Democrats, a 24 percentage point lead over nearest rival, Senator John Kerry, the losing Democratic candidate in the 2004 election.
"The depth and breadth of Hillary Clinton's support among Democrats is daunting for other potential Democratic candidates in 2008, especially coupled with her enormous fundraising edge," said The Hotline editor Chuck Todd.
But Clinton is divisive figure. Many conservatives dislike her because of her attempts to influence policy while her husband was president.
The poll said that Senator John McCain was the leading Republican candidate among Democrats.
Fifty-five percent of the 603 people questioned had a favourable view of the Vietnam War veteran who fought George W. Bush for the Republican candidacy in 2000, a higher rating than many Democratic party chiefs received.
The poll, carried out April 19-23, had a margin of error of four percentage points.