Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Who the hell is afraid of gays? Will they slap you with a limp wrist? Lisp you to death?
Gay #1: "Sthally sthells sthea sthells by the sthea sthore!"
Straight Guy: *twitchy eye*
Gay #2: " Sthuper!"
Straight Guy: *collapse*
Also, there are no unwanted AIDS injections by surprise buhttsehchz.
*twitch*
Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
What they are doing is wrong, and gross, but I don't really fear them, especially if they already have a boyfriend then I know they wont try to flirt with me or anything.
One of my friend's friend is gay and you'd never know it. He's a normal guy, he's not even fagish like most gay people. When he came out of the closet I thought he was joking around, it took me a few days to realize it was true.
It's a choice, and you can't really force people to change it.
just say you are and be done with it.
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
What they are doing is wrong..
why is it wrong?
While I understand ganging up on RedSquirrel here... he has some of a point, and I agree with him to an extent.
I'm a human - my nature is to make more humans. It's in my DNA. I readily accept that I am an animal by nature, have many animal instincts, and at times can exhibit very primal behavior. I also accept society and civilization, and that at times one must hide the primal nature and be a civilized individual. Unless someone makes me angry, I am very good at doing this. Anger changes me though, and I act very differently - my personality is not evident when I'm angry, I almost like completely switch to a different person inside.
With that mostly worthless paragraph now stated, here is what I am trying to say.
Inherently, there is nothing wrong with homophobia. Now, how one shows that in public and if it has an effect on their social behavior, that is where the problem can lie.
However, let me state this: I am NOT homophobic. I can talk to gays, but they can inherently creep me out. A man blatantly exaggerating feminine behavior just iirks me. I have no other way to say it. But I don't fear that man. I can still talk to them if necessary, and have, and don't see them as any less of a person.
However, I do see them as turning their backs on their own kind.
So, lemme say this, regrettably, as it is going to piss quite a few people off - I do 'hate' homosexuals, be it male or female, but I do no fear them. And I don't hate the person. In our civilized life, there is more to a person than their human nature, there is a personality. That is something we exhibit to far greater lengths than any other animal. So, I do not 'hate' a person unless they wrong me. But I do hate homosexuality, the very nature of the sexual identification, for the fact that they are wronging man.
Now, yes, we have no need to really worry about reproduction in this day and age, we don't worry so much about our species survival.
However, I cannot help but still look at our behaviors as anything other than that. And due to that, I dislike the idea of homosexuality, but I don't necessarily hate the person that labels oneself as that.
If I came across a gay guy that acted like a normal guy, and shared the same kind of interests as me, I guarantee I find it possible that I could befriend that man, as that part of his life would have no impact on his regular personality. Now, the ones that are extremely flamboyant, on a personality level I cannot become friends with them, because we share nothing in common, and is kind of on the same level why I have problems becoming friends with females unless they are in relationships with a friend of mine. I don't go shopping with female friends, I don't go to bars with just them, I don't kick it around the house with a female friend. Unless they have basically masculine interests, I probably won't be able to become best friends with one. (this is different from acquaintances, btw) So maybe my personality is kind of programmed to not be able to 'like' the flamboyant gays.
I kind of went everywhere with that, so I guess I'll leave it at that unless someone takes it further, and then I can respond better, but I am kind of aimless in this post.
Originally posted by: rudeguy
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I think 'homophobic' is a misnomer. I don't think many people are actually afraid of them, most 'homophobes' are just hateful. Hate != fear. Having said that, I'm fine with fudge nudgers.
hate is fear in hiding
negative negative negative, cannot be further from the truth.
I accept that your history has made you accept religion more, and I won't get into that. I have no problem with that. However, through your treatment you had to be 'brainwashed' with bullshit psychology. I mean no offense by this, but as much as I do enjoy psychology, I do NOT agree with that statement. It's empty, cold, and is wrong. However, I agree it can be the case in some instances, but it isn't necessarily true here, and should never be applied as a blanket statement.
Read the rest of my post to see where I stand on this specific topic. But to sum it up, I 'hate' homosexuality, but I don't hate the person. And I certainly don't fear homosexuals.
Dammit, but I did just realize that maybe by 'hate' of homosexuality is a deep, primal fear that they'll spell the doom of civilization or even humanity. Hmm, damn you psychology, you get one point, but I still claim the other. We are even for now!