Are you homophobic?

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rudeguy

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: rudeguy
I guess I don't understand why some guys are so afraid of gay people. While I am perfectly straight, I have no problem with making jokes about taking it up the pooper. If I find out that someone is really homophobic, I will mess with him non-stop.

Just because I don't like talking about anal sex with gay guys doesn't mean I'm homophobic.

yes it does.

Now come on over and snuggle up. Lets talk about it.
 

0roo0roo

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i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

Bullshit. You're a tool.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Who the hell is afraid of gays? Will they slap you with a limp wrist? Lisp you to death?

Gay #1: "Sthally sthells sthea sthells by the sthea sthore!"
Straight Guy: *twitchy eye*
Gay #2: " Sthuper!"
Straight Guy: *collapse*

Also, there are no unwanted AIDS injections by surprise buhttsehchz.

*twitch*



Originally posted by: theblackbox
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
What they are doing is wrong, and gross, but I don't really fear them, especially if they already have a boyfriend then I know they wont try to flirt with me or anything.

One of my friend's friend is gay and you'd never know it. He's a normal guy, he's not even fagish like most gay people. When he came out of the closet I thought he was joking around, it took me a few days to realize it was true.

It's a choice, and you can't really force people to change it.

just say you are and be done with it.

Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
What they are doing is wrong..

why is it wrong?

While I understand ganging up on RedSquirrel here... he has some of a point, and I agree with him to an extent.

I'm a human - my nature is to make more humans. It's in my DNA. I readily accept that I am an animal by nature, have many animal instincts, and at times can exhibit very primal behavior. I also accept society and civilization, and that at times one must hide the primal nature and be a civilized individual. Unless someone makes me angry, I am very good at doing this. Anger changes me though, and I act very differently - my personality is not evident when I'm angry, I almost like completely switch to a different person inside.

With that mostly worthless paragraph now stated, here is what I am trying to say.

Inherently, there is nothing wrong with homophobia. Now, how one shows that in public and if it has an effect on their social behavior, that is where the problem can lie.
However, let me state this: I am NOT homophobic. I can talk to gays, but they can inherently creep me out. A man blatantly exaggerating feminine behavior just iirks me. I have no other way to say it. But I don't fear that man. I can still talk to them if necessary, and have, and don't see them as any less of a person.
However, I do see them as turning their backs on their own kind.
So, lemme say this, regrettably, as it is going to piss quite a few people off - I do 'hate' homosexuals, be it male or female, but I do no fear them. And I don't hate the person. In our civilized life, there is more to a person than their human nature, there is a personality. That is something we exhibit to far greater lengths than any other animal. So, I do not 'hate' a person unless they wrong me. But I do hate homosexuality, the very nature of the sexual identification, for the fact that they are wronging man.

Now, yes, we have no need to really worry about reproduction in this day and age, we don't worry so much about our species survival.
However, I cannot help but still look at our behaviors as anything other than that. And due to that, I dislike the idea of homosexuality, but I don't necessarily hate the person that labels oneself as that.
If I came across a gay guy that acted like a normal guy, and shared the same kind of interests as me, I guarantee I find it possible that I could befriend that man, as that part of his life would have no impact on his regular personality. Now, the ones that are extremely flamboyant, on a personality level I cannot become friends with them, because we share nothing in common, and is kind of on the same level why I have problems becoming friends with females unless they are in relationships with a friend of mine. I don't go shopping with female friends, I don't go to bars with just them, I don't kick it around the house with a female friend. Unless they have basically masculine interests, I probably won't be able to become best friends with one. (this is different from acquaintances, btw) So maybe my personality is kind of programmed to not be able to 'like' the flamboyant gays.

I kind of went everywhere with that, so I guess I'll leave it at that unless someone takes it further, and then I can respond better, but I am kind of aimless in this post.

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I think 'homophobic' is a misnomer. I don't think many people are actually afraid of them, most 'homophobes' are just hateful. Hate != fear. Having said that, I'm fine with fudge nudgers.

hate is fear in hiding

negative negative negative, cannot be further from the truth.

I accept that your history has made you accept religion more, and I won't get into that. I have no problem with that. However, through your treatment you had to be 'brainwashed' with bullshit psychology. I mean no offense by this, but as much as I do enjoy psychology, I do NOT agree with that statement. It's empty, cold, and is wrong. However, I agree it can be the case in some instances, but it isn't necessarily true here, and should never be applied as a blanket statement.

Read the rest of my post to see where I stand on this specific topic. But to sum it up, I 'hate' homosexuality, but I don't hate the person. And I certainly don't fear homosexuals.
Dammit, but I did just realize that maybe by 'hate' of homosexuality is a deep, primal fear that they'll spell the doom of civilization or even humanity. Hmm, damn you psychology, you get one point, but I still claim the other. We are even for now!
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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I don't mind them - live your life how you want. It just makes me a bit uncomfortable when I'm around gay dudes, mainly because I find the feminine mannerisms absolutely hilarious - sometimes I have to stifle laughter when they lisp like crazy or jump around like girls. Then again, there are other people who I went to high school with who are now pretty obviously gay (bleached spiked hair, man-purse) but I don't treat them any differently, since we basically grew up together.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

That lies in the religious aspect of marriage. Marriage is apparently supposed to be a man and a woman declaring their 'life-long' love for each other.

I hate marriage. I would go against it, but dammit it's become so ingrained in our civilization that I feel I'll need to marry to be 'normal'. I have no desire to be a person that goes against the grain whenever possible - I have no need to rebel against society.

But I don't agree with the religious nature of marriage, as I believe religion is retarded and trying to change man.
Heck, our nature would actually imply we mate as much as possible. It might be programmed to have life-long partners, but I cannot tell as modern civilization has pushed the idea of monogamy so long that it's tough to tell if we are all just accepting civilized life or if our nature is one of monogamy.
However, I'll hopefully marry one day just so society can see I have accepted a life-long lover, and so that I can enjoy the benefits of government acknowledging it as well. Otherwise, there is less government benefits for life-long partners that aren't married.
But the religious man+woman aspect I don't agree with. I do agree with the idea of only man and woman loving each other sexually, but that's been covered in my novel above.
 

XZeroII

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Jun 30, 2001
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I'm not afraid of them. I just don't like them. What's wrong with not liking someone?
 

RichardE

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Dec 31, 2005
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I was until that night with you Rudeguy, JohnC and dNor at my place.


All my fears are put to rest now :lips:
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: RichardE
I was until that night with you Rudeguy, JohnC and dNor at my place.


All my fears are put to rest now :lips:

:heart: :lips: :moon: :wine:
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
I'm not afraid of them. I just don't like them. What's wrong with not liking someone?

Nothing, but would you admit to not liking, let say, midgets?

 

rudeguy

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Originally posted by: destrekor

negative negative negative, cannot be further from the truth.

I accept that your history has made you accept religion more, and I won't get into that. I have no problem with that. However, through your treatment you had to be 'brainwashed' with bullshit psychology. I mean no offense by this, but as much as I do enjoy psychology, I do NOT agree with that statement. It's empty, cold, and is wrong. However, I agree it can be the case in some instances, but it isn't necessarily true here, and should never be applied as a blanket statement.

Read the rest of my post to see where I stand on this specific topic. But to sum it up, I 'hate' homosexuality, but I don't hate the person. And I certainly don't fear homosexuals.
Dammit, but I did just realize that maybe by 'hate' of homosexuality is a deep, primal fear that they'll spell the doom of civilization or even humanity. Hmm, damn you psychology, you get one point, but I still claim the other. We are even for now!

Its not about religion or spirituality. Its about what happens when you HONESTLY look at your fears. Fear is usually caused by one of our natural instincts being threatened. That's perfectly normal and acceptable. The problem we have is that we don't know how to deal with those fears, so we flip them around and play with them so that we can find fault. Your example is great! Making sure our species continues is a perfectly natural instinct. For other people their hatred or fear of gays might be closer to 2 bull elks bashing their heads together. Their dominance is threatened somehow so they revert back to the basic instincts of fight or flight. Running away would damage their ego, so they choose to "fight".
 

grrl

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Originally posted by: rudeguy
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I think 'homophobic' is a misnomer. I don't think many people are actually afraid of them, most 'homophobes' are just hateful. Hate != fear. Having said that, I'm fine with fudge nudgers.

hate is fear in hiding

Or self-loathing. Some of the most vocal homophobes I've met I have no doubt are in the closet.


Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

Haven't you been listening to the Pope? It will spell the end of humanity just as surely as global warming.
 

MrPickins

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May 24, 2003
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Originally posted by: Dumac
What I meant was that many people say "That's gay" when saying something is bad. Or they say "You're a i love you" when trying to insult somebody.

I know gay people that do this, albeit somewhat ironically.
 

2Xtreme21

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Being gay is about as much of a choice as being black. Anyone who discriminates against anyone is insecure of their own identity and ultimately just a bigot.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

is polygamy or incest marriage going to infringe on anyone else?
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

is polygamy or incest marriage going to infringe on anyone else?

NO. I don't care if you want to go marry your fucking dog-- marriage was made a joke by heterosexual couples.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

is polygamy or incest marriage going to infringe on anyone else?

NO. I don't care if you want to go marry your fucking dog-- marriage was made a joke by heterosexual couples.

as long as you consistently include support for incest marriage polygamy anything goes along with your support for gay marriage, thats fine.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

is polygamy or incest marriage going to infringe on anyone else?

NO. I don't care if you want to go marry your fucking dog-- marriage was made a joke by heterosexual couples.

as long as you consistently include support for incest marriage polygamy anything goes along with your support for gay marriage, thats fine.

Answer the question, shitstain: How does this affect you?
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i don't care about what gays do unless they try to redefine marriage. civil unions are enough.

how are two same sex people getting legally married going to infringe on anyone else?

is polygamy or incest marriage going to infringe on anyone else?

NO. I don't care if you want to go marry your fucking dog-- marriage was made a joke by heterosexual couples.

as long as you consistently include support for incest marriage polygamy anything goes along with your support for gay marriage, thats fine.

Answer the question, shitstain: How does this affect you?

answer the question, why not include those things in the same deal. its the same argument.
 
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