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Nik

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Just like the guy who shows up to the bar wearing a leather jacket, walks with a swagger, and walks around the bar like he owns the place, people who flaunt their sexuality like flamboyant homosexuals drive me up the wall.

Just because you're attracted to the same sex doesn't mean everyone else has to hear about it and know about it. Not saying hide it or something, just don't be a piece of shit flamer and you're cool in my book.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?
 

xeno2060

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Nov 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?

It's no use Spidey07...He's GAY.:Q
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?

Sometimes the only people worse than legitimate biggots are the ones pointing fingers calling them biggots.

It's all good spidey07. I don't think you're a hater. I understand your position and would like to talk to you about it in private. In fact, I got a whole freezer full of ice cream in my basement for you while we talk :evil:
 

Albatross

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Jul 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Congrats Spidey - not only have you proved yourself the most ignorant, disgustingly, inbred backwards motherfucker on these forums, you've backed up every Southern stereotype there is.

Good show!

Ignorant? I know what a dick in the ass is. Do you, it's not that hard to understand - it's a dick in the ass?
Disgusting? I'd say dick in the ass or mouth would be it.
Inbred? Nope.
Backwards? So not liking the dick in the ass or mouth is somehow backwards?
Motherfucker? Sorry, she's dead and I never fucked her.
Southern? Yes and proud of it.

What you fail to understand is I'm not part of the "oh, he doesn't like gay people! He's a racist ignorant bigot!"

I could go on and on about some of the closest relationships I've had with men they were all gay. But of course I would be using some sort "SEE! He said he has gay friends! Look! He's igno'ant".

Yes they are my friends and yes I think less of them because they are gay.

And yes I am male. And yes there's nothing better then penis in and around my mouth.

that`s gay.
 

kstu

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Feb 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.
LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?
For you? It's absolutely all three:

Ignorance:
Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice.

Hate:
Originally posted by: spidey07
yes I think less of them because they are gay.

Bigotry:
Originally posted by: spidey07
We don't want that shit (gay marriage).

It's disgusting really.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: kstu
Ignorance:
Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice.

Prove otherwise, kstu.

Hate:
Originally posted by: spidey07
yes I think less of them because they are gay.

Do you even understand the concept of hate? I think less of my friends for some decisions they make but that doesn't mean I hate them :roll:

Bigotry:
Originally posted by: spidey07
We don't want that shit (gay marriage).

Cry me a freakin river.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?


..it's the absolute height of ignorance to infer bigotry or phobia over disagreement of behavior. This is a tactic the gay mafia use to force you to swallow their behavioral characteristics and a crude attempt to mainstream their philosophy.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?


..it's the absolute height of ignorance to infer bigotry or phobia over disagreement of behavior. This is a tactic the gay mafia use to force you to swallow their behavioral characteristics and a crude attempt to mainstream their philosophy.

lol @ force you to swallow used in context :laugh:
 

BlueAcolyte

Platinum Member
Nov 19, 2007
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?


..it's the absolute height of ignorance to infer bigotry or phobia over disagreement of behavior. This is a tactic the gay mafia use to force you to swallow their behavioral characteristics and a crude attempt to mainstream their philosophy.

lol @ force you to swallow used in context :laugh:

Well, you really walked into that one.

The answer to the question is no, but thread needs pole.

 

ZzZGuy

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Nov 15, 2006
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I don't want to be hit on, I hate those who use that fake gay voice (that voice is not limited to gay people, some take speech therapy to get rid of it), if they dress like a slut in public I will treat them like a slut, but what goes for normal relationships goes for them (eg, I won't yell at them for holding hands and such).
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?


..it's the absolute height of ignorance to infer bigotry or phobia over disagreement of behavior. This is a tactic the gay mafia use to force you to swallow their behavioral characteristics and a crude attempt to mainstream their philosophy.

And very true.

I don't get kstu's argument here.

And everyone seems to be jumping on spidey here, yet most seemed to have ignored my post awhile back, yet we basically share the exact same thoughts but I worded it differently and spidey's came off as crude and harsh to the everyone should love everyone crowd.

Get over it. As IGBT stated, the whole reason this argument even exists is because the homosexuals got together in a big group and basically forced the rest of the population to accept them in politically correct fashion. Why? Well part of that is a whole separate argument, as I hate the bullshit that is being 'politically correct'. Please... life is a bitch, get used to it... don't force everyone to soften up all that could be misinterpreted so that no one gets offended. Either get a tougher sell, or go cry a fucking river while you hug the teddy bear. Nothing pisses me off more in our society than having to be politically correct.

And hell, most of the politically correct terms are actually backwards or wrong in of themselves. Example: African-American. Seriously? If they or their parents weren't born in Africa, they aren't African-American. I hate the notion of race period, but as an identifier to describe someone, black is the correct term if they are indeed black. I don't cry about being called white, I don't scream to be called something I'm not though ancient heritage would state differently. And if you trace our roots enough, we all most likely hailed from Africa. So oooo, we're all African-American.
And ooo, we should start calling those of South-African ancestry African-American. Isn't that going to confuse people?
hmmm a little rant there, back on topic.

For our entire history, almost 99% of it has basically seen gays being shunned. Why? Hmm, it seems perfectly clear and logical to me why they were shunned: it's wrong. On every level. No I don't hate homosexuals, I hate their sexual preference and am utterly confused as to why they choose to follow that route. Now I do personally believe some may be born that way, being looking at the animal kingdom, some species do in fact sometimes show homosexual behavior. Some of the species may actually be born gay and destined to never mate, or get over the fact that they like the same sex for one day and mate, and then get back to their ways. Who knows how or why, but most likely it is genetics of some sort, either a random mutation, in heritage, or something to that tune that just gets certain individuals to click one day and say "ooo, i like those of my sex". But it's wrong. I mean no real offense but that, but as I stated a while back: humans are animals. Animals progress in time by mating with the opposite sex. Same sex cannot procreate. Thus, WTF? If you aren't procreating, you are doing an injustice to your species. Either the animal group won't accept you, the tribe won't accept you, or you are just destined to never earn a mate.
But us humans have two problems: we complicate this whole matter by having emotions. Things just get very weird due to that. The other problem is: we're too damn soft and nice, afraid to upset others. To an extent this is necessary to maintain a functioning civilization, but still... sometimes it goes to far. And while I feel strange blaming religion on this, since religion does preach man/woman and to basically hate homosexuals, it did impart the whole be nice because you're being judged by someone above and being a hate-filled asshole might get you locked away in a fiery inferno. Riiiiight.
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: clamum
Fuck no. I have a friend who is gay. He hit on me, didn't bother me. We're still friends.

Same thing happened to me. I was actually flattered, but had to turn him down, obviously.
Haha, yeah I told him I was flattered, but no thanks. Figures... I'm a single heterosexual guy and the only person who hits on me is a gay guy. :laugh:
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Destrekor: My take is that it is not a choice. Granted, there may be some out there who are flexible enough that they will choose one way or another, kind of to try out a new thing.

But my take is that it is primarily a genetic thing, a birth defect. (I posted this earlier, but it likely got skipped over.)
Normally, a life form of a species which reproduces sexually will desire to mate with a member of the opposite gender. That's its normal genetic tendency, just as life forms similar to us have a genetic tendency to grow four limbs.
On occasion, a birth occurs wherein the person is missing a limb. This person did not choose this, it simply is a genetic anomaly. This person also is not worthy of mistreatment or being shunned from society as a result of this.

Likewise, if a birth occurs wherein the person's sexual orientation is not as it should be, that person would be considered homosexual. Again, it's a birth defect. The only reason that this person is suddenly stripped of some rights is because it involves sex, and people get in a big damn fuss over anything involving sex. We've also got some major religions that were apparently written by people who had gotten chlamydia one too many times, and thus labeled sex as wicked and sinful, unless done under very specific conditions.

And so what if a person doesn't reproduce. The species is nowhere close to being in danger of extinction due to insufficient breeding. Someone who doesn't have kids can still contribute a lot to society, and they'll be more productive if they don't feel like they're being oppressed or unjustly hated for something for which they are not at fault.


 

ZzZGuy

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Nov 15, 2006
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Destrekor: My take is that it is not a choice. Granted, there may be some out there who are flexible enough that they will choose one way or another, kind of to try out a new thing.

But my take is that it is primarily a genetic thing, a birth defect. (I posted this earlier, but it likely got skipped over.)
Normally, a life form of a species which reproduces sexually will desire to mate with a member of the opposite gender. That's its normal genetic tendency, just as life forms similar to us have a genetic tendency to grow four limbs.
On occasion, a birth occurs wherein the person is missing a limb. This person did not choose this, it simply is a genetic anomaly. This person also is not worthy of mistreatment or being shunned from society as a result of this.

Likewise, if a birth occurs wherein the person's sexual orientation is not as it should be, that person would be considered homosexual. Again, it's a birth defect. The only reason that this person is suddenly stripped of some rights is because it involves sex, and people get in a big damn fuss over anything involving sex. We've also got some major religions that were apparently written by people who had gotten chlamydia one too many times, and thus labeled sex as wicked and sinful, unless done under very specific conditions.

And so what if a person doesn't reproduce. The species is nowhere close to being in danger of extinction due to insufficient breeding. Someone who doesn't have kids can still contribute a lot to society, and they'll be more productive if they don't feel like they're being oppressed or unjustly hated for something for which they are not at fault.

IMHO, there are those who chose to be gay. I've seen some truly F.ed up people, way beyond what the most hateful bigot thinks of homosexuals, it's not that much of a stretch that some heterosexual people for whatever reason do chose to be gay.

But I still think the majority of homosexuals are born gay. I used to think they should come up with a cure for it, but now I realize why should they? It's not like they are harmful to anyone and it's not like there isn't enough humans already. Only semi sane reason I've heard is that if they have kids (adopt or give birth) that they will be chastised, but that is because of the ignorance, hatred and bigotry, it's these peoples fault that the kids are chastises not the gay parents.
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Destrekor: My take is that it is not a choice. Granted, there may be some out there who are flexible enough that they will choose one way or another, kind of to try out a new thing.

But my take is that it is primarily a genetic thing, a birth defect. (I posted this earlier, but it likely got skipped over.)
Normally, a life form of a species which reproduces sexually will desire to mate with a member of the opposite gender. That's its normal genetic tendency, just as life forms similar to us have a genetic tendency to grow four limbs.
On occasion, a birth occurs wherein the person is missing a limb. This person did not choose this, it simply is a genetic anomaly. This person also is not worthy of mistreatment or being shunned from society as a result of this.

Likewise, if a birth occurs wherein the person's sexual orientation is not as it should be, that person would be considered homosexual. Again, it's a birth defect. The only reason that this person is suddenly stripped of some rights is because it involves sex, and people get in a big damn fuss over anything involving sex. We've also got some major religions that were apparently written by people who had gotten chlamydia one too many times, and thus labeled sex as wicked and sinful, unless done under very specific conditions.

And so what if a person doesn't reproduce. The species is nowhere close to being in danger of extinction due to insufficient breeding. Someone who doesn't have kids can still contribute a lot to society, and they'll be more productive if they don't feel like they're being oppressed or unjustly hated for something for which they are not at fault.

This is more or less my own viewpoint. The idea behind those who insist that EVERY CASE of homosexuality is choice (besides the impossibility of the Good Lord making bit of a goof every now and then) is that it is impossible for that little bit of wiring that controls our sexual orientation to malfunction. Why in the world would anyone think that? Yet there it is every time someone claims that being homosexual is not a genetic predisposition.

The percentage of gays vs. straights is low enough that I think it completely plausible for these to be naturally occurring genetic defects + a few genuinely mentally ill individuals who are acting the part. Why is that so hard for people to stomach? It must be harder to be angry about it when you've admitted that they can't help what they are...
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: kstu
You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. The hatred that burns within you is despicable.

LOL!

So not liking or being afraid of gay people means I hate them? No hate here, just think it is wrong.

So the concept is if you don't like gays you are which one is it now? Ignorant, hate or bigotry? Which one is it or should we just go with all three?
what would you do if you had a child who was gay? disown them?
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
This is more or less my own viewpoint. The idea behind those who insist that EVERY CASE of homosexuality is choice (besides the impossibility of the Good Lord making bit of a goof every now and then) is that it is impossible for that little bit of wiring that controls our sexual orientation to malfunction. Why in the world would anyone think that? Yet there it is every time someone claims that being homosexual is not a genetic predisposition.
......
And that I think is the key problem that the religious community encounters, before rationalizing it away an instant later.

If being gay is a sin, then it MUST be a choice. Otherwise, it would be God's own doing in assigning a person's sexual orientation before birth. The possibilities that creates are:
1) God assigns a sinful sexual orientation to a person, condemning them to eternal damnation. Ergo, God sentences a person to Hell before that person is even born.
2) Being gay isn't really a sin, since God assigns sexual orientation during the "miracle" of conception.
3) God is a psychotic hypocrite.
4) 1, 2, or 3 cannot be possible at all, therefore homosexuality MUST be a choice, meaning that we humans can freely judge and persecute these horrid sinful creatures. Oh, what a shame that the Christian God doesn't condone stoning to death, or we'd probably be doing that too, just as Jesus intended. Love thy fellow man. Unless he loves you back.



 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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I never understood the anti-gay fools. There's just no logic involved. In 1000 years (or less, I'm guessing) they will be laughed at just like we laugh at the 10+ gods the ancient civilizations had.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: clamum
I never understood the anti-gay fools. There's just no logic involved. In 1000 years (or less, I'm guessing) they will be laughed at just like we laugh at the 10+ gods the ancient civilizations had.
Jesus, your party is waiting. Zeus and Ra are getting impatient.


 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: clamum
I never understood the anti-gay fools. There's just no logic involved. In 1000 years (or less, I'm guessing) they will be laughed at just like we laugh at the 10+ gods the ancient civilizations had.

Oh, it's the purest form of logic. Penis in the ass does not make baby.
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
This is more or less my own viewpoint. The idea behind those who insist that EVERY CASE of homosexuality is choice (besides the impossibility of the Good Lord making bit of a goof every now and then) is that it is impossible for that little bit of wiring that controls our sexual orientation to malfunction. Why in the world would anyone think that? Yet there it is every time someone claims that being homosexual is not a genetic predisposition.
......
And that I think is the key problem that the religious community encounters, before rationalizing it away an instant later.

If being gay is a sin, then it MUST be a choice. Otherwise, it would be God's own doing in assigning a person's sexual orientation before birth. The possibilities that creates are:
1) God assigns a sinful sexual orientation to a person, condemning them to eternal damnation. Ergo, God sentences a person to Hell before that person is even born.
2) Being gay isn't really a sin, since God assigns sexual orientation during the "miracle" of conception.
3) God is a psychotic hypocrite.
4) 1, 2, or 3 cannot be possible at all, therefore homosexuality MUST be a choice, meaning that we humans can freely judge and persecute these horrid sinful creatures. Oh, what a shame that the Christian God doesn't condone stoning to death, or we'd probably be doing that too, just as Jesus intended. Love thy fellow man. Unless he loves you back.

One nun told me that being homosexual is not a choice, but acting upon homosexual desires is both a choice and a sin. She seperated desires and actions in order to say that even if god makes you born with feelings for the same sex, the proper thing to do is to ignore those feelings.

I don't agree with her, but I thought her idea is pertinent to your comments.

A better topic is pedophelia. Is it a choice or is it something you can't help but develop?
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: Dumac
One nun told me that being homosexual is not a choice, but acting upon homosexual desires is both a choice and a sin. She separated desires and actions in order to say that even if god makes you born with feelings for the same sex, the proper thing to do is to ignore those feelings.

I don't agree with her, but I thought her idea is pertinent to your comments.

A better topic is pedophelia. Is it a choice or is it something you can't help but develop?
Pedophilia involves minors, who are legally defined as being unable to make rational, adult decisions, thus they get special exemption.

I also tend to pretty much disregard religious excuses as reasons to rationalize intolerance of homosexuality. "God said so." Right, God says lots of things to lots of people, and no one can seem to agree on what he's saying. Either God is screwing with people, or else no one has a clue what they're talking about w.r.t. what "God wants."



Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: clamum
I never understood the anti-gay fools. There's just no logic involved. In 1000 years (or less, I'm guessing) they will be laughed at just like we laugh at the 10+ gods the ancient civilizations had.

Oh, it's the purest form of logic. Penis in the ass does not make baby.
Masturbation does not make baby either.

Some religions say it's bad....see previous statement on religion.


 
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: clamum
I never understood the anti-gay fools. There's just no logic involved. In 1000 years (or less, I'm guessing) they will be laughed at just like we laugh at the 10+ gods the ancient civilizations had.

Oh, it's the purest form of logic. Penis in the ass does not make baby.

So presumably you also hate asexual men and people born infertile?
 
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