Are you planning on buying (or already bought) an AM4 Raven Ridge APU?

[EXCellR8]

Nope. I might not even jump on Zen+ and wait to see what happens with the market. I also feel like I haven't had my 1700 processor for that long, nor would I need anything more powerful at the moment. Slightly higher OC would be nice but it's not worth the effort to rip the current configuration apart.

 

[burninatortech4]

I'm going to update my Athlon 5350 HTPC to the 2200g when I see what B450/X470 ITX boards are available (with certified HDMI 2.0).

 

[HurleyBird]

Given how stupid prices are right now, I'm probably just going to stick with my 4770K until DDR5 in 2019/2020. Looking forward to Zen 2 or 3.

 

[eek2121]

Nah, waiting on the 2950x. if it has a decent boost, I'll give it a go. Based on the numbers I've run, we could actually see some crazy stuff. However AMD has been conservative with their 65 watt parts, so until I see some 95/180 watt parts I'm going to withhold judgement. Based on my math, we could see a 4.4/4.8 GHz threadripper if AMD pushed hard enough. It is likely they will be conservative though. If they did go balls out, you can bet Intel offices are going to smell like urine...and I own intel stock, so I do NOT make that statement lightly.If AMD got a 16 core threadripper to a 4.8 all core boost....well, RIP intel. For the record, I've run the numbers, and based on the 65 watt numbers we've seen so far, it's possible. Improbably, but possible. Even an all core boost of 4.6 would hurt Intel hard. They weren't ready, just like with the P4.hopefully Intel wakes up and counters. The last time I got a good deal on a top end chip was tha Q6600. It was a beast, and it's stiill in use at my mom's house. Only new components were a new GPU, upgraded memory, and SSD,

 

[Harmaaviini]

I was tempted at first (even though it's only 4 cores) because GPU availability and prices are pretty bad. 2400g would have been an API upgrade to dx11/vulcan and a performance sidegrade until dGPU market cools down a little. But it seems it won't work on Win7 so no sale. I'm very disapointed with AMD.

 

[scannall]

I was tempted at first (even though it's only 4 cores) because GPU availability and prices are pretty bad. 2400g would have been an API upgrade to dx11/vulcan and a performance sidegrade until dGPU market cools down a little. But it seems it won't work on Win7 so no sale. I'm very disapointed with AMD.

The target of your disappointment should be Microsoft in all fairness.

 

[DrMrLordX]

But it seems it won't work on Win7 so no sale. I'm very disapointed with AMD.

Can't stay on Win7 forever.

 

[XavierMace]

The target of your disappointment should be Microsoft in all fairness.

Or reality should set in and you should realize that running a nearly 10 year old OS is silly.

 

[Harmaaviini]

The target of your disappointment should be Microsoft in all fairness.

Microsoft surely gets their share of the blame for their decisions but this one is on AMD.

Can't stay on Win7 forever.

Not really relevant is it? Just because it doesn't last forever doesn't mean I don't have use for it now.

Or reality should set in and you should realize that running a nearly 10 year old OS is silly.

There is nothing silly in using software that satisfies my needs and which I like using.

 

[escrow4]

Microsoft surely gets their share of the blame for their decisions but this one is on AMD.



Not really relevant is it? Just because it doesn't last forever doesn't mean I don't have use for it now.



There is nothing silly in using software that satisfies my needs and which I like using.

It is when its nearly a decade old. Move on already. 10 is superior in every single way.

 

[caswow]

a 2200g in the next two weeks.

 

[frozentundra123456]

It is when its nearly a decade old. Move on already. 10 is superior in every single way.

Actually, I cant think of a single way in which Win 10 is superior. Still has bugs with my system, losing wi-fi connectivity waking from sleep. Used to be a work-around but even now that does not work. Win 7 did everything I wanted just as well as Win 10 without the bugs, sending me to the window's store incessantly (how would you like to open that, look for an app in the Window's store?? I hate that.) and trying to force edge down my throat as a browser. Only "plus" for win 10 is supposedly DX12, but so far none of the DX 12 games interest me, and a goodly portion still run better on DX 11 anyway. I actually hate Win 10 more than the much maligned Vista. Only reason I have not done a factory restore to Win 7 is that MS is going to screw over Win 7 users eventually by not providing updates.

 

[Markfw]

Actually, I cant think of a single way in which Win 10 is superior. Still has bugs with my system, losing wi-fi connectivity waking from sleep. Used to be a work-around but even now that does not work. Win 7 did everything I wanted just as well as Win 10 without the bugs, sending me to the window's store incessantly (how would you like to open that, look for an app in the Window's store?? I hate that.) and trying to force edge down my throat as a browser. Only "plus" for win 10 is supposedly DX12, but so far none of the DX 12 games interest me, and a goodly portion still run better on DX 11 anyway. I actually hate Win 10 more than the much maligned Vista. Only reason I have not done a factory restore to Win 7 is that MS is going to screw over Win 7 users eventually by not providing updates.

I agree. Including the fact that it forces this "fall creators update" on every machine, whether you want it or not, and many of my computers don't work right anymore, my sons work computers can't print to their plotter, due to it breaking their drivers, and one machine is totally unusable, as its a black screen, until I "revert to previous version" on the install stick at boot. I have done that 3 times. But even though I disable windos update on the services screen, it still finds a way to update everything, and break everything.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Getting 2400G with a Mini ITX 400 series MB.

 

[Harmaaviini]

It is when its nearly a decade old. Move on already. 10 is superior in every single way.

Age is irrelevant. Functionality is what matters and Win10 doesn't offer me anything over Win7.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not really relevant is it? Just because it doesn't last forever doesn't mean I don't have use for it now..

On the contrary . . .

Win10 doesn't offer me anything over Win7.

Win10 offers you one thing at a minimum: it works with Raven Ridge. Win7 doesn't.

Like I said, can't stay on it forever.

 

[frozentundra123456]

On the contrary . . .



Win10 offers you one thing at a minimum: it works with Raven Ridge. Win7 doesn't.

Like I said, can't stay on it forever.

Even though I "upgraded" (although it was pretty much a case of MS taking over my comp and nagging me until I finally gave in) to win 10, I would consider a chip not working with win 7 a huge negative, (as well as for the intel chips that work with only win 10). At least I still have the option to revert to the original factory win 7 image with my ancient SB i5 if I can no longer stand win 10 at some point.

 

[Harmaaviini]

On the contrary . . .

I have no idea what you mean by contrary. You can't be seriously claiming that I have no use for Win7 now because I can't use it forever?

Win10 offers you one thing at a minimum: it works with Raven Ridge. Win7 doesn't.

Yes, but I can buy another CPU that works with Win7. Which means functionality is preserved on Win7, so no advantage for Win10. I don't have to buy RR to use a computer and I won't since it's not supported on my OS of choice. Which is kind of a weird choice by AMD since Win7 is still possibly the most popular desktop OS depending on sources.

Like I said, can't stay on it forever.

Again I fail to see the relevance. Forever hasn't arrived yet!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yes, but I can buy another CPU that works with Win7. Which means functionality is preserved on Win7, so no advantage for Win10. I don't have to buy RR to use a computer and I won't since it's not supported on my OS of choice. Which is kind of a weird choice by AMD since Win7 is still possibly the most popular desktop OS depending on sources.

Give it time. By the time Win7 EOLs, you won't be able to buy new parts for a PC to run it.

What I don't actually get is - Win7 is an x86 / x64 / ATX / ACPI-compatible OS. If something WONT run it, then it seems... kind of broken, as far as PC standard compatibility goes, IMHO.

 

[DrMrLordX]

You can't be seriously claiming that I have no use for Win7 now because I can't use it forever?

It's already a liability.

Yes, but I can buy another CPU that works with Win7. Which means functionality is preserved on Win7, so no advantage for Win10. I don't have to buy RR to use a computer and I won't since it's not supported on my OS of choice.

Clearly you want Raven Ridge, and yet you're letting an OS choice make the decision for you. How is there no advantage to using Win10 under this scenario?

Which is kind of a weird choice by AMD since Win7 is still possibly the most popular desktop OS depending on sources.

AMD can see the writing on the wall: Win7 is a deprecated, closed-source OS that will receive minimal-to-no support from Microsoft in the future. I'm sure MS has offered them some incentives to abandon Win7 as well.

For AMD, it makes perfect sense.

 

[frozentundra123456]

It's already a liability.



Clearly you want Raven Ridge, and yet you're letting an OS choice make the decision for you. How is there no advantage to using Win10 under this scenario?



AMD can see the writing on the wall: Win7 is a deprecated, closed-source OS that will receive minimal-to-no support from Microsoft in the future. I'm sure MS has offered them some incentives to abandon Win7 as well.

For AMD, it makes perfect sense.

Dont really want to keep going too long on this because it is off topic. However, you keep saying Win 10 has advantages over win 7. Could you specifically state what those advantages are? I also dont understand why you cannot simply accept when users who have used both OS's say they prefer Win 7. Seems like you are are basically saying to users who have used both and see no advantage to win 10 that they are too stupid to realize its "advantages" and you know their usage better than the user themselves.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I might even prefer Win7. MS doesn't, and so it will pay to abandon ship sooner or later. I threw in the towel before it even launched to the general public, and mostly I have no regrets.

One specific advantage: support for all modern hardware. Win7 either can't boast that, or forces the end-user to jump through numerous hoops to achieve compatibility.

Or, to put a finer point on it: if you want Raven Ridge, it's Win10 or Linux. Maybe some flavor of BSD eventually, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.

Raven Ridge is a fascinating product. I'm still waiting to see a proper (read: not a YouTube video, bleh) review showing RAM speed scaling with RR, but otherwise I think it handles itself quite well in the modern marketplace. People looking at the product should seriously think about abandoning Win7 for it, assuming they're in the market for RR at all (some people aren't).

 

[Madpacket]

Likely both the 2200 and 2400G.

I've purchased at least one or two APU's from every generation except for the AM4 Bristol Ridge series as they were essentially filler until RR and being slower than Kaveri was a turn off.

APU's always fascinated me from a "good enough computing" perspective but these latest Raven Ridge chips are a huge step forward and we're basically at the point now where you can get away without even needing a discrete GPU altogether, for both casual gaming or even the beginner esports gamer.

The 2200G is my new go to chip for F&F budget builds. It's easily the best budget CPU if buying new today. The 2400G is great if you need the extra CPU power and want a decent stop gap until discrete GPU prices settle down.

I hoped AMD would have offered a 6 core / 12 thread APU but understand this currently wouldn't fit without the use of a crossbar, so maybe we'll see something at 7nm.

Outside of HTPC purposes (where they already handle UHD at 60Hz on current motherboards) these 2200G's make sense for entry level gaming where you can buy budget 24" 75Hz TN/IPS Freesync monitors, and pair them up with a B series motherboard all for less than the price of a Gsync monitor alone. I know 144 vs. 75Hz is no comparison but obtaining even frame delivery at these low prices is awesome, especially for things like emulation.

Yes RAM prices are steep right now but a budget set of DDR4 3000 is not much more than 2133 or 2400, or you can often overclock many of the lower speed memory kits if you want to save that $10.00 to $20.00 difference.

Anyway, I'm excited for these new Raven Ridge APU's but want to see ITX motherboards with more robust VRM circuitry to allow for easier/safer overclocking.

I think overclocking the 2200G is a must and where you get the most value here as you can extract another 15 or 20% performance in games with just the stock cooler. This is awesome for a $100 APU.

 

[mohit9206]

It is when its nearly a decade old. Move on already. 10 is superior in every single way.

This is factually wrong. Don't even need to provide evidence for this. Sure lot of ways its better but lots of ways its worse too.
My favorite thing about Win 7 is it just works. Of course I'll have to install win 10 when i buy ryzen but for now pretty happy with win 7 on my current system.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You can argue the point that Windows 10 isn't exactly always superior in usability than Windows 7, but as far as hardware support goes, as well as system security, Windows 10 is FAR more advanced.

The updates bit, is both better and worse. Better, because of the comprehensive roll-up style updates, so that you don't end up with 50 or 200 updates like Windows 7, but the forced rebooting is worse, especially for an un-attended PC that is task-dedicated, and requires manual intervention to re-start that task, if the PC is re-booted.