Are you planning to buy a 4K monitor for gaming soon?

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AMD64Blondie

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I'd only do 4k, like many others here, when we get 4k, 120hz, IPS/OLED, with low input lag at a reasonable price. Yes I know, asking the impossible. But I'm one of the guys who held on to my fw900 for a long time and nothing beats that monitor for twitch gaming.

Damn straight.I loved my FW900(actually the HP A7217A-rebadged FW900)...and I cried like a baby when it finally died.
 

SlowSpyder

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This. I just don't understand why consumers continue to put up with bright-grey as a representation of the color black. Playing games where there are dark areas on an LCD is [redacted] painful.


I felt that way about early LCD's, but feel like a quality modern monitor really looks great. I think the whites can be so good that the contrast ratio maybe makes it somewhat relative, maybe dimming backlight LED's help, maybe the panels are just better at absorbing backlight... I don't know. But I think today they look really good, CRT's certainly had flaws as well. But, to each their own. I'm sad to see plasma get phased out (my favorite TV in my house is a plasma), but the market seems to have decided, at least until newer technologies come.
 
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AnandThenMan

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I just don't understand why consumers continue to put up with bright-grey as a representation of the color black.
Because there is no other choice. In televisions there used to be a choice, if you wanted proper black levels you got a plasma but now those are going away.
 

Ramses

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The poll results reinforce my questioning of review sites seeming to focus on ultra high resolution results for gaming benchmarks. 1080P is going to stay the standard for a good while to come I suspect. If anything, I'd buy a higher quality 1080p screen rather than a cheaper higher resolution one. Hell I'm happy with my cheap 27" IPS at 1080p.
 

KaRLiToS

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The poll results reinforce my questioning of review sites seeming to focus on ultra high resolution results for gaming benchmarks. 1080P is going to stay the standard for a good while to come I suspect. If anything, I'd buy a higher quality 1080p screen rather than a cheaper higher resolution one. Hell I'm happy with my cheap 27" IPS at 1080p.

The poll doesn't mention anything about 1080p.
 

Ramses

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The opposite of 4K for all intents and purposes in this case is, 1080p.
1440 to a lesser degree I suppose. If you aren't running or planning to run 4K, you are mostly likely using 1080p(and thus far the informal poll says most people aren't planning to). When you mention the functional opposite
of a thing, it implies mention of the thing. Make sense?
 

KaRLiToS

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The opposite of 4K for all intents and purposes in this case is, 1080p.
1440 to a lesser degree I suppose. If you aren't running or planning to run 4K, you are mostly likely using 1080p(and thus far the informal poll says most people aren't planning to). When you mention the functional opposite
of a thing, it implies mention of the thing. Make sense?

I have 3 monitors on my rig, two are 1440p and one is 4k.

There are a lot of 1440p users around here.
 

Ramses

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I'm sure there are, 1440p is probably 2nd place in commonality behind 1080p.
 

96Firebird

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The poll results reinforce my questioning of review sites seeming to focus on ultra high resolution results for gaming benchmarks.

I agree. While it is always fun to test to the max, I think the focus should be on the most common resolutions. A better poll would be a multi-question survey to see how the correlation is between typical graphics card class purchases, plans to purchase 4K, number of GPUs to be purchased, etc...
 

bunnyfubbles

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no plans for the short term, its definitely 100% luxury for me, and its a luxury I can easily live without but wouldn't be against having one day

some major things going against it right now

1. at 4x 1080p, its just way too demanding on GPU hardware when modern games can already struggle on a single GPU at 1080p.

2. I value speed far more than I value resolution (i.e. I'm going to want 120Hz 4K monitors before I seriously consider)

3. the value of 4K for gaming just isn't there; the extra money required to go from 1080p to 4K just isn't worthwhile over a multitude of other upgrades for me, and that's just in the cost of monitor, not including the extra GPUs I would want to have, which I don't want to have because I'd rather avoid multi GPU as much as possible (outside of some major breakthroughs improving the technology and feasibility of the solution).

Was kind of the same deal with 1080/1200p back in the day, where only the very expensive IPS panels had a resolution that high and I was perfectly content to go with 1680x1050 for the speed and practicality for a gaming machine.

If I could justify the monitor for work then maybe I'd have a different opinion, but for now 4K gaming will have to wait, and it isn't anything I'm eagerly anticipating, it'll be more of a "oh neat, I have 4K now" type of deal.
 
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railven

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I'd definitely pick up a 4k+ monitor, hopefully by then AMD/Nvidia have something nice to buy to run it.
 

maniacalpha1-1

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I am waiting for 4K IPS monitor prices to come down, more options in the 32-37 screen sizes, FreeSync Vs. GSync to get sorted out, for GPUs to get a lot faster, and for Windows DPi scaling to improve. I have pencilled in my 4K upgrade around late 2017 to early 2018, unless my current monitor dies before then. I don't really want to run medium settings on a 4K and today even 980 SLI struggles to be great at 4K. 2560x1440/1600 is the sweet spot for current cards, unless one plays less demanding games or doesn't mind turning off some settings. I think dual GM200s will get us half way there and dual Pascal GP200 will be the ticket.

This is me, I am waiting for prices to come down but more importantly for options in the 32-37" area. Right now I use 32" 1080p TVs and I just don't think I could go any smaller. Eh, maybe, but I'd rather wait.
 

Ramses

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I'm too busy enjoying high quality setting on cheap hardware with 1080p to move elsewhere. I'm sure the industry would like me to though. Maybe in three or four years.
 

hawtdawg

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I felt that way about early LCD's, but feel like a quality modern monitor really looks great. I think the whites can be so good that the contrast ratio maybe makes it somewhat relative, maybe dimming backlight LED's help, maybe the panels are just better at absorbing backlight... I don't know. But I think today they look really good, CRT's certainly had flaws as well. But, to each their own. I'm sad to see plasma get phased out (my favorite TV in my house is a plasma), but the market seems to have decided, at least until newer technologies come.

no way. the best IPS monitors out there have 1000:1 contrast ratios. it's awful for anything remotely dark.
 

cmdrdredd

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This. I just don't understand why consumers continue to put up with bright-grey as a representation of the color black. Playing games where there are dark areas on an LCD is [redacted] painful.


Not true. Some LCDs have very good black levels.

Here's a question though. What else is your option? You don't have one when your current display fails. Few things bug me as much as someone bagging on LCD technology. If plasma and crt was so great they wouldn't have failed and gotten discontinued. There are still a few crt models left out there but almost nobody except professionals that work in graphic arts want them.

The major downfall IMO was power usage. Efficiency and cost is king these days.
 
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hawtdawg

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Not true. Some LCDs have very good black levels.

There are some VA panels that aren't terrible, but "very good" is a stretch. Some TV's have local dimming, but no monitor does, and every, single, IPS monitor out there regardless of price has crap for black levels. The best ones out there don't break 1000:1 contrast ratio and most have IPS glow in the corners.

Here's a question though. What else is your option? You don't have one when your current display fails. Few things bug me as much as someone bagging on LCD technology.
LCD has succeeded for numerous reasons unrelated to it's actual image quality (power usage, size etc), and I couldn't care less if that bothers you. Want to know what bothers me? Shitty black levels.

If plasma and crt was so great they wouldn't have failed and gotten discontinued. There are still a few crt models left out there but almost nobody except professionals that work in graphic arts want them.

The major downfall IMO was power usage. Efficiency and cost is king these days.
As a television technology, plasma went away because the industry comes up with some new way to market LCD's every few years. First it was "120 hz", then it was LED, now it's going to be quantum dot, all the while they still have bad black levels and poor motion and screen uniformity issues. Poor marketing killed plasma. Start up a convo about plasma with a typical person and you'll get questions like "don't you have to fill them up after a while?" and "don't they get dim really fast?" etc.

LCD beat CRT and plasma out due to every reason but image quality. LCD's have been common place for 15 years, and manufactures still can't figure out how to prevent backlight bleed. OLED can't come quickly enough.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Only to elitists. I own a plasma and it has Image retention problems and is out of warranty. Yeah the black levels are good but despite your attitude toward them, I don't find LCD to be terrible at blacks. They don't suck, and I will continue to repeat the fact that you have almost no option if you plan to buy a new TV or monitor. At some point your going to buy an LCD display. It's how it is.
 
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hawtdawg

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of course it's going to be my only option. Whats your point?

also, ir isn't an issue on recent plasmas. and yes, ips monitors have AWFUL black levels. every last one of them. if you really had a plasma you would absolutely not be arguing that.
 
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KingstonU

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Just bought a 50" LG 4K 120Hz IPS LED screen for $800 to be my main computer/gaming/entertainment rig. But even at 50" I barely see the point of 4K, let alone regular monitors that are 30" or less.
 

SlowSpyder

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of course it's going to be my only option. Whats your point?

also, ir isn't an issue on recent plasmas. and yes, ips monitors have AWFUL black levels. every last one of them. if you really had a plasma you would absolutely not be arguing that.


I have a plasma TV and my comment still stands. LCD isn't perfect, but what is? I wish plasma wouldn't be phased out, I think other than potential burn-in issues it was the best of all of them. But, I still think current quality LCD's aren't bad at all.
 

Ramses

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It's remarkably economical to be color-stupid apparently.
I had a Galaxy S4 and now a Droid Turbo, if I hold it up to my
cheap IPS LCD I can see a deeper black on the phone, but I never
notice otherwise. I miss my Sun CRT too but not it's size or weight.
I do wish I had the option to buy a nice CRT still that isn't ancient or
unreasonably expensive. Such is the price of "progress" I'm told.


I haven't watched an actual TV since CRT's were still the norm, dunno what's up with them.
 

AnandThenMan

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Not true. Some LCDs have very good black levels.
No they don't. Not a single one.
If plasma and crt was so great they wouldn't have failed and gotten discontinued.

Plasma failed because it costs too much to make the panel, it is by far the best overall display tech we've seen yet. Black levels are everything for display quality, without a proper dynamic range it doesn't matter how good the display is in every other respect.
 

tential

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The poll results reinforce my questioning of review sites seeming to focus on ultra high resolution results for gaming benchmarks. 1080P is going to stay the standard for a good while to come I suspect. If anything, I'd buy a higher quality 1080p screen rather than a cheaper higher resolution one. Hell I'm happy with my cheap 27" IPS at 1080p.

I think that while 1080p is here to stay, DSR/VSR will play a large role in 2016/2017 as people upgrade their video cards.
People who have 1080p or lower monitors (which is a large majority of the market), will still upgrade their video cards, but will be looking at ways to utilize that extra horse power and VSR/DSR will be there to help. It's the great stopgap inbetween 1080p/4K that everyone gets to benefit from.

I have a plasma TV and my comment still stands. LCD isn't perfect, but what is? I wish plasma wouldn't be phased out, I think other than potential burn-in issues it was the best of all of them. But, I still think current quality LCD's aren't bad at all.

I think his comment wasn't aimed at you but at the person above his post, cmdrdredd.

I never owned a plasma (Wasn't large enough for me), but I'm hoping the Vizio P Series gets close enough to it that I'm happy. I really want to hold out til OLED though.
 
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