Are you Pro Choice?? yes or no. Here is Dr Kevorkian's current pic

[Lola]

Originally posted by: sandigga

Originally posted by: ActPrincess
being somewhat catholic, i tend to think that the right thing to do would to have the child then give it up for adoption. However, this was before i started having a "relationship" with my boyfriend. Eventhough I am on the pill, i get freaked out sometimes if my cycle is not EXACTLY on time. I realize now that I would have NO IDEA what i would do if i ended up in this situation. I am 19. I can't take care of a child. And what happens after nine months of having a life inside of you and then giving it up? This is a horrible choice that a woman has to make. I say woman but i also mean that the partner(if there is one) should be involved in the decession as well.

abstinence.. its as simple as that...

no thank you. I am mature and accept and understand the responsibility of the situation. I am in a commitied relationship and have been for a few years now. I know that if sometihng were to happen, my partner would be there for me. What i posted was not meant to sound that i was not ready to accept responsibility.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.

Generally, the people who think that one "of the consequences of the choice they made to have sex" and don't believe "sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation" generally aren't getting any.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: sandigga

Originally posted by: ActPrincess
being somewhat catholic, i tend to think that the right thing to do would to have the child then give it up for adoption. However, this was before i started having a "relationship" with my boyfriend. Eventhough I am on the pill, i get freaked out sometimes if my cycle is not EXACTLY on time. I realize now that I would have NO IDEA what i would do if i ended up in this situation. I am 19. I can't take care of a child. And what happens after nine months of having a life inside of you and then giving it up? This is a horrible choice that a woman has to make. I say woman but i also mean that the partner(if there is one) should be involved in the decession as well.

abstinence.. its as simple as that...

Pffft. right. That may work for avid church-goers like yourself who already made up their minds about premarital sex anyway, but it's about as effective as the Maginot Line for the other 95% of kids out there. Kids are pretty much going to have sex regardless of what you tell them. The only way to significantly cut teen pregnancy rates is to educate them starting before they even hit puberty and make contraception accessible. Look at my home state of Georgia: we're smack dab in the middle of the bible belt and yet we have some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation. Abstinence is not the answer, sorry.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.

Generally, the people who think that one "of the consequences of the choice they made to have sex" and don't believe "sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation" generally aren't getting any.

Well, duh.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Well, I'm not against sex education at all

Good for you, but you're in the minority with regard to pro-lifers.

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Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.
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In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun?

Oh, right. That's exactly what I said. "F*ck like bunnies without a care in the world. We'll kill your baby for you if you manage to make one, and then you can get right back to the fornication." Yeah, we're all just about that flip with regard to this issue. Idiot.

Tell me what was wrong with what I said. You specifically said "sex is an enjoyable thing," in other words, fun. So it all boils down to people's half-hour or so of pleasure being more important than another person's life.

Oh and try to calm down. Calling people "idiot" and calling pro-lifers "anti-choice morons" doesn't strengthen your argument, it makes you look childish.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<-- pro life

nik

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: maladroit

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Well, I'm not against sex education at all

Good for you, but you're in the minority with regard to pro-lifers.

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Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.
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In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun?

Oh, right. That's exactly what I said. "F*ck like bunnies without a care in the world. We'll kill your baby for you if you manage to make one, and then you can get right back to the fornication." Yeah, we're all just about that flip with regard to this issue. Idiot.

Tell me what was wrong with what I said. You specifically said "sex is an enjoyable thing," in other words, fun. So it all boils down to people's half-hour or so of pleasure being more important than another person's life.

Oh and try to calm down. Calling people "idiot" and calling pro-lifers "anti-choice morons" doesn't strengthen your argument, it makes you look childish.

And making an obvious a flame-bait statement as In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun? makes you look partictularly mature? Right.

You're saying we shouldn't have sex because it might result in pregnancy and an abortion might be an option. You're also saying that this is doubly bad because people generally just have sex because it's fun and feels good. In other words, we should stop driving our cars around as well, because although it may be fun, you might kill someone in the process. That's just ridiculous. Everything in life is a calculated risk....even sex.

In short one of the many things that is inherently wrong with what you said is that it implies that abortions are ever taken lightly; that they're as common as a condom and given no more thought or concern. It's often a last resort that leaves the woman deeply mentally scarred. If you choose not to have sex other than for procreation, good for you, but it's not your place to tell the rest of us how to live.

 

[Fausto]

What in the world did this thread ever have to do with Kervorkian, anyway. He was an advocate of helping people die who were in pain and were going to die anyway. How is that related to abortion rights issues?

 

[0roo0roo]

whats death eh? brain death right? whats the point when it doesn't even have a brain yet?


anyways, anyone truely against abortion should be against invetro fertilization. the number of excess fertilizations from each procdure is quite high.

if pro lifers weren't so full of sh*t there would be no hungry or orphaned children in america.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
What in the world did this thread ever have to do with Kervorkian, anyway. He was an advocate of helping people die who were in pain and were going to die anyway. How is that related to abortion rights issues?

I noticed that, too.

nik

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: sandigga

Originally posted by: ActPrincess
being somewhat catholic, i tend to think that the right thing to do would to have the child then give it up for adoption. However, this was before i started having a "relationship" with my boyfriend. Eventhough I am on the pill, i get freaked out sometimes if my cycle is not EXACTLY on time. I realize now that I would have NO IDEA what i would do if i ended up in this situation. I am 19. I can't take care of a child. And what happens after nine months of having a life inside of you and then giving it up? This is a horrible choice that a woman has to make. I say woman but i also mean that the partner(if there is one) should be involved in the decession as well.

abstinence.. its as simple as that...

Pffft. right. That may work for avid church-goers like yourself who already made up their minds about premarital sex anyway, but it's about as effective as the Maginot Line for the other 95% of kids out there. Kids are pretty much going to have sex regardless of what you tell them. The only way to significantly cut teen pregnancy rates is to educate them starting before they even hit puberty and make contraception accessible. Look at my home state of Georgia: we're smack dab in the middle of the bible belt and yet we have some of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation. Abstinence is not the answer, sorry.

first off its been awhile since ive been to church... so thats besides the point...
second off I agree about sex education.. i had sex-ed in 5th grade where we were shown graphic pictures of STDs and so forth... I choose abstinence because of how ive been educated... i dont want STDs just as much as I know I'm not ready to be a father... of course i grew up going to church but thats not what instilled the abstinence choice in me... sure your parents can say "dont do this" but the kids arent gonna listen.. i know this.... it doesnt mean anything if there's no good reason for it... during my young teen years, 15-18, my reason was I dont want any diseases and im not ready to be a father... now my reasons are different but we dont need to get into a religious discussion....
third off, that still doesnt mean that abstinence should not be encouraged and taught... there's a difference between sex education and handing out condoms at shcool.... obviously i benefited from sex-education so I'm all for it....

 

[Lola]

yeah you're right....there is nothing here about jack k.

 

[bGIveNs33]

I don't think a lot of pro-lifers would have a problem with abortion if it wasn't used a birth control. It just seems so wasteful that 1000's of couples strugle to concieve and on the other side we have teenagers and young adults throwing away babies.

-Billy

 

[BDawg]

And to introduce a bit of levity...

Sperm Link

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: bGIveNs33
I don't think a lot of pro-lifers would have a problem with abortion if it wasn't used a birth control. It just seems so wasteful that 1000's of couples strugle to concieve and on the other side we have teenagers and young adults throwing away babies.

-Billy

Reguardless of what it's used for, I have a problem with killing someone who will grow into an adult. They're a human being the moment that the egg and the sperm unite.

nik

 

[ThisIsMatt]

pro-don't-screw-wild-if-j00-can't-take-da-child

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
pro-don't-screw-wild-if-j00-can't-take-da-child

lol

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
pro-don't-screw-wild-if-j00-can't-take-da-child

Does that all mean pro-rapistreproduction?

Edit: Trouble typing...

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: maladroit

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Well, I'm not against sex education at all

Good for you, but you're in the minority with regard to pro-lifers.

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Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.
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In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun?

Oh, right. That's exactly what I said. "F*ck like bunnies without a care in the world. We'll kill your baby for you if you manage to make one, and then you can get right back to the fornication." Yeah, we're all just about that flip with regard to this issue. Idiot.

Tell me what was wrong with what I said. You specifically said "sex is an enjoyable thing," in other words, fun. So it all boils down to people's half-hour or so of pleasure being more important than another person's life.

Oh and try to calm down. Calling people "idiot" and calling pro-lifers "anti-choice morons" doesn't strengthen your argument, it makes you look childish.

And making an obvious a flame-bait statement as In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun? makes you look partictularly mature? Right.

You're saying we shouldn't have sex because it might result in pregnancy and an abortion might be an option. You're also saying that this is doubly bad because people generally just have sex because it's fun and feels good. In other words, we should stop driving our cars around as well, because although it may be fun, you might kill someone in the process. That's just ridiculous. Everything in life is a calculated risk....even sex.

In short one of the many things that is inherently wrong with what you said is that it implies that abortions are ever taken lightly; that they're as common as a condom and given no more thought or concern. It's often a last resort that leaves the woman deeply mentally scarred. If you choose not to have sex other than for procreation, good for you, but it's not your place to tell the rest of us how to live.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have sex, I'm saying people need to be responsible for their actions. I remember reading about people suing fast food companies because their crappy food made them fat.

In fact, you posted the thread about it, saying:

*sigh* Yet another class-action lawsuit filed by irresponsible dumbasses. :disgust:

They were irresponsible, they took a "calculated risk," they knew fast food might have adverse effects on their bodies, and you think they should take responsibility for their actions. How are these two situations different?

 

[scorp00]

I'm pro-coathanger, and i have the shirt too....and I wear it proudly.

too bad most people don't get it.

 

[XZeroII]

I don't see how anyone could actually kill their baby. I disapprove of abortions except for special cases (you know what they are). I would never go out with/or become close friends with someone who has had an abortion. To me, that person has no morals. 99% of people know what could happen if they have sex and they have to be prepared to accept the consequences of their actions. Pro-choice people are the people who must support people going off and having sex all willy nilly with anyone they feel like. I don't see how you can be for responsible sex and for abortions. Sure, it's a big responsibility, but then DON'T HAVE SEX! Most people who have abortions are irresponsible people who do not deserve my attention anyway. For those who disagree with me calling them irresponsible, how can you be a responsible person by getting pregnant, then weasling out of what you created? To me, sex is a sacred thing that you should only share with your life partner. I'm sure many disagree, but I guess I'm just more enlightened than you people.

 

[zeon]

vehemently pro-choice.

 

[MrPhelps]

One thing that is a bit of a moral issue is, Does the product of rape have less value than one planned????????

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: MrPhelps
One thing that is a bit of a moral issue is, Does the product of rape have less value than one planned????????

Doesn't matter. The woman has no right to be forced to carry it. Then, you punish her twice for being raped. Might as well stone her.

Anyway, the product of the rape is a cluster of cells, not a baby.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: baffled2
I always thought it best to mind my business when it came to other people's reproductive choices

Well said. That has always been my thoughts as well. It's not my decision to make, it's not my choice, and I feel uncomfortable with idea of a government that would inflict such decisions upon its people. Therefore I am pro-choice. Do I approve morally? Of course not, as I strongly believe that freedom without responsibility is an evil fantasy. But (being male) my personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant.