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DigDug

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The problem with humans is that we want to be treated both as individuals but also recognized as part of a larger racial group. Straddling both is impossible without conflicts arising. How is one to know that when you speak, you are doing so based on your individual beliefs and not your cultural background? How is one to know which you want to be percieved as at any point time? Each minority grasps and wears their cultural backing. White people don't wear Saris because it is a cultural artifact of India. Europeans don't use chopsticks because it is a cultural artifact of China.

Sadly, Blacks in this country were robbed of their cultural background, and having been refused access to successful assimilation into the white mainstream for much of their existence, their culture is a makeshift one, incorporating elements of the slave existence, the pervasive depression among them at that point in time (blues, and rock and roll?), and, to be blunt, the widespread ignorance among them. Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Again, being both part of a group and an individual breeds inevitable conflict in a lunique land like America where multiple groups exist. Homogenous countries, which pretty much make up the rest of the world, don't have these problems to a large extent, because there is only one culture and one group.

People like to point out that other minorities in this country, especially the Asians, don't exhibit the social dysfunction that the Black contingency does. However, the Asians, for the most part (ignoring the railroads for a minute), have come of their own accord and on their own terms. Along with them is a strong cultural identity that provides guidance. But you'll notice that the second and third generations are starting to suffer the same problems that were usually only recognizable among "indigenous" minorities.
 

0roo0roo

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wasn't it jesse jackson that said that he'd be scared himself if there was a black guy behind him in an alley? i forget

course it all depends, of course your going to be slightly more aware of a black guy in thugs clothin when its dark deserted or if ur in a silghtly crummy part of town. it just goes to social class.

not like u'd be scared of some black guy in a business suit or slacks.
 

bdjohnson

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just because you have predjudice doesn't mean that you are afraid or even that you express you predjudices, but as long as there are differences beteween people there are going to be predjudices.
 

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Originally posted by: BlipBlop
The problem with humans is that we want to be treated both as individuals but also recognized as part of a larger racial group. Straddling both is impossible without conflicts arising. How is one to know that when you speak, you are doing so based on your individual beliefs and not your cultural background? How is one to know which you want to be percieved as at any point time? Each minority grasps and wears their cultural backing. White people don't wear Saris because it is a cultural artifact of India. Europeans don't use chopsticks because it is a cultural artifact of China.

Sadly, Blacks in this country were robbed of their cultural background, and having been refused access to successful assimilation into the white mainstream for much of their existence, their culture is a makeshift one, incorporating elements of the slave existence, the pervasive depression among them at that point in time (blues, and rock and roll?), and, to be blunt, the widespread ignorance among them. Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Again, being both part of a group and an individual breeds inevitable conflict in a lunique land like America where multiple groups exist. Homogenous countries, which pretty much make up the rest of the world, don't have these problems to a large extent, because there is only one culture and one group.
Good post!
not like u'd be scared of some black guy in a business suit or slacks.
True. I'm not afraid of a person well dressed in a suit who looks like they care about their existence, but somebody walking around with attitude in gangsta' wear warrants some concern.
 

dpopiz

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fortunately most people know racism is wrong, but most people don't realize that the only way racism is going to be erased is if people forget about race completely. whenever you even talk about race you're promoting racism because it makes people remember some race-hate sort of thing they experienced in the past
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
The problem with humans is that we want to be treated both as individuals but also recognized as part of a larger racial group. Straddling both is impossible without conflicts arising. How is one to know that when you speak, you are doing so based on your individual beliefs and not your cultural background? How is one to know which you want to be percieved as at any point time? Each minority grasps and wears their cultural backing. White people don't wear Saris because it is a cultural artifact of India. Europeans don't use chopsticks because it is a cultural artifact of China.

Sadly, Blacks in this country were robbed of their cultural background, and having been refused access to successful assimilation into the white mainstream for much of their existence, their culture is a makeshift one, incorporating elements of the slave existence, the pervasive depression among them at that point in time (blues, and rock and roll?), and, to be blunt, the widespread ignorance among them. Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Again, being both part of a group and an individual breeds inevitable conflict in a lunique land like America where multiple groups exist. Homogenous countries, which pretty much make up the rest of the world, don't have these problems to a large extent, because there is only one culture and one group.
Good post!
not like u'd be scared of some black guy in a business suit or slacks.
True. I'm not afraid of a person well dressed in a suit who looks like they care about their existence, but somebody walking around with attitude in gangsta' wear warrants some concern.
At first glance I skipped past it because I thought it was a Moonie.
 

MovingTarget

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Seems like it would be only natural to be skeptical/cautious around people that are different than you are. Most people would simply rather be around people like them. But, I do have to agree with one of jhonnyocean5's points about the representation and stereotyping of blacks in the media. There is no real way to approach this issue, however, without being called out by the pc police, however. People are afraid to be honest about race issues, unfortunately.
 

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Originally posted by: bdjohnson
i liked bowling for columbine. I admid that it wasnt' really a movie, but it really made me think about american society and human nature in general. It might be unfair to say that all whites are afraid of blacks, but it is also unfair to say that we do not have predjudices when in fact everyone does.

Im not saying that people do not have prejudices. But it is unfair to assume that everyone does I didn't like the movie because Moore puts blame on the wrong group in most of the situations in the movie. Why should he ask K-Mart to stop selling bullets? Is it K-Mart's fault that the boys bought them from there? And IMO he had no right to go up to Dick Clark and give him a hard time about that chick who worked at his chocolate store. That welfare program is far better than anything previously enacted. Dick Clark gave a poor woman a job and Moore complains that the woman's son brought a gun to school because Dick Clark and the welfare system made her go out of town to work. What a bunch of balogna!

Just my .03

edit: There is only one race, the human race!
 

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Originally posted by: dpopiz
fortunately most people know racism is wrong, but most people don't realize that the only way racism is going to be erased is if people forget about race completely. whenever you even talk about race you're promoting racism because it makes people remember some race-hate sort of thing they experienced in the past
And, as long as people continually fall back on racist accusations when something doesn't go well for them or cry of racial discrimination, racism won't go away. In some cases legit racism does occur. In others, like with this guy recently beaten to death, it was a knee jerk reaction by certain minority groups, before anybody could even get down to the facts of the case. They see a black guy being beaten by white cops and suddenly it's a hate crime.
 

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Originally posted by: Howard

At first glance I skipped past it because I thought it was a Moonie.
me too, then after confirming three times in my head that it was not, I thought hey maybe it's worth reading.

 

DigDug

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fortunately most people know racism is wrong, but most people don't realize that the only way racism is going to be erased is if people forget about race completely. whenever you even talk about race you're promoting racism because it makes people remember some race-hate sort of thing they experienced in the past


Wrong. Trying to forget about race is like trying to pretend that the sky is green. That is not REALITY. This is the feel-good bullsh1t that people make up as some pathetic and absurd ideal to strive for. It's social alchemy. Such effort is better spent on thoroughly RECOGNIZING race and the power dynamic that seems to flow within it. A true ideal would be to live in a country where we were very aware of race and culture, but that no POWER IMBALANCE existed between them. That an employer could choose a white man over a black man, or a black man over a white without ever even blinking an eye as to what the social ramifications might be for the company. THAT's the REAL IDEAL to strive for. And it's clearly articulated by Martin Luther King. He would turn over in his grave if he saw the current state of affairs.
 

bdjohnson

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yeah i agree that moore didn't always seem to do the right thing, but the film was still interesting. about the predjudice thing, i think it is impossible not to think of race as long as there is a noticable difference. I dont mean that everyone is a lynching bigot, I mean that no one is above predjudice altogether.
 

DigDug

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In others, like with this guy recently beaten to death, it was a knee jerk reaction by certain minority groups, before anybody could even get down to the facts of the case. They see a black guy being beaten by white cops and suddenly it's a hate crime.
In others, like with this guy recently beaten to death, it was a knee jerk reaction by certain minority groups, before anybody could even get down to the facts of the case. They see a black guy being beaten by white cops and suddenly it's a hate crime.


...And this is classic example of where a group of individuals are automatically percieved as the representative of the larger group. The blacks scream racism are deemed by the rest of society as representing what "Black people think", while on the other side, the white cops, for those who believe them to be wrong, are acting as "All white people would." This is the exact bounce-back between individual and group that I am talking about.

 

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Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.
Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.
 

matt426malm

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Honestly freshman year I was. Partly because a lot of my family is racist. Also, I was 5'3" 100lbls, I was only afraid of the ones that were in gangs. Not racist any more though
 

0roo0roo

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well...

ebonics = black hick speak

through lack of education, willful ignorance, poverty, social isolation you get such things.
 

Sid59

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.
Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.

ebonics is like an accent.
 

johnnyocean5

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Motion to ban.

- M4H

Why are many of you so sensitive about this issue? I think thats what stops people from really talking about race. They're too afraid of looking like a racist that they dont think through their ideas. They just accept the dominant or most PC idea around but they can't explain why they believe in that idea except by saying some general "people are created equal" kind of argument thats been forced onto everyone. this thread is about racial stereotypes and ideas and if you dont have any ideas except for personal attacks or whatever, then dont post here. Go post on softer topics like football because thats where you belong. Explain your ideas like blipblop did. just any kind of debate would work, no more of this "its a touchy subject, so i'll attack the one who's not PC" bullshis.
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.
Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.

what i don't get is why i see some blacks speak ebonics on purpose. i remember working with some black folk in a professional setting. once they were in a casual setting among other blacks, they'd digress into ebonics.

sorry, but if you want to shed a stereotype of being uneducated, don't speak improper grammar on purpose.

 

matt426malm

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Originally posted by: johnnyocean5
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Motion to ban.

- M4H

Why are many of you so sensitive about this issue? I think thats what stops people from really talking about race. They're too afraid of looking like a racist that they dont think through their ideas. They just accept the dominant or most PC idea around but they can't explain why they believe in that idea except by saying some general "people are created equal" kind of argument thats been forced onto everyone. this thread is about racial stereotypes and ideas and if you dont have any ideas except for personal attacks or whatever, then dont post here. Go post on softer topics like football because thats where you belong. Explain your ideas like blipblop did. just any kind of debate would work, no more of this "its a touchy subject, so i'll attack the one who's not PC" bullshis.

If you don't talk about it, it won't change.
 

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well...

ebonics = black hick speak

through lack of education, willful ignorance, poverty, social isolation you get such things.
Good point, and in fact ebonics is as valid a language as alabamian-hick. A guy at work (not stupid, just happens to be from a small alabama town) uses the word 'don't' instead of 'doesn't'. It's wrong, and shouldn't be encouraged in children or in society as a whole. I'm sure he realizes it's wrong but he does it out of habit. I highly doubt he holds any pride in it though, because there is none to be had. Unfortunately some do hold pride in their ebonics, which is like being prideful of misspelling.
ebonics is like an accent.
No, being from South Africa is an accident (edit: I mean accent ). Using "axe" instead of "ask", and "gots ta" instead of "have to" is plain old wrong.
 
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