Are you upgrading to Skylake?

[IntelUser2000]

That's an interesting find, what is surprising is that they had Skylake for only 2 quarters, seems quite a bit short to me. I would expect Skylake to be on the market for at least a year before Cannonlake would succeed it.

It doesn't make sense, so it won't happen.

They are in it to make money, and OEMs are too. Actually the latter wishes are far more important. If they realize Skylake is a 6 months product, they'll skip it and use Cannonlake. I've seen these kind of rumors far too many times. Do you think these companies that have margins <10% are going to go for half the expected product lifespan? That's crazy!

Unless there's another caveat. Maybe Skylake is a higher end SKU and Cannonlake a low end one, due to low yielding 10nm process in the beginning. Or maybe limited Skylake availability with mass availability on Cannonlake. If that's true, neither is good. Either 14nm sucks or 10nm sucks.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It doesn't make sense, so it won't happen.

They are in it to make money, and OEMs are too. Actually the latter wishes are far more important. If they realize Skylake is a 6 months product, they'll skip it and use Cannonlake. I've seen these kind of rumors far too many times. Do you think these companies that have margins <10% are going to go for half the expected product lifespan? That's crazy!

Unless there's another caveat. Maybe Skylake is a higher end SKU and Cannonlake a low end one, due to low yielding 10nm process in the beginning. Or maybe limited Skylake availability with mass availability on Cannonlake. If that's true, neither is good. Either 14nm sucks or 10nm sucks.

Cannonlake is platform compatible. So there isnt any change as such.

 

[seitur]

Odd question to ask before Skylake actually releases and we know exactly what we're dealing with here.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you apply the usual 5-10% performance boost and some performance/watt benefits. Then its not that hard. The platform, core count etc is all known.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Is this a big deal? http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...or-pcs-will-not-support-avx-512-instructions/

It says Skylake won't be supporting AVX-512 instructions. Looking at the table below, it looks like it's the same as Haswell. That could be good for compatibility but I don't know what's the real difference.

EDIT: lol, this is weird. http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news...s-summer-skylake-to-follow-in-the-second-half
It says Skylake will not the VGA output standard.

 

[ClockHound]

I'm lazy and skipped a few pages, so completely missed the benchmarks on Skylake. Are they awesome?

Without seeing some test results, tough to make a an upgrade decision. Strange Skylake isn't shown in the Anand comparo database - and they call themselves a tech journalism site. Pffft...with no tech psychics on staff how can we possibly make informed future speculation purchases?

So...can I answer this question in late 2017, early 2018(ish), when Skylake-E might actually be shipping. For sure. Possibly. Maybe.

Sucks about the AVX512 exclusion - market segmentation or ? Of course, since AVX2 has been so widely embraced in the desktop world, we could squeak by with it for a few more tickety tocks.

;-)

 

[mikk]

Is this a big deal? http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...or-pcs-will-not-support-avx-512-instructions/

It says Skylake won't be supporting AVX-512 instructions. Looking at the table below, it looks like it's the same as Haswell. That could be good for compatibility but I don't know what's the real difference.

We know it since a year or so. And no it isn't a big deal.

The hardware to support AVX-512 is in the processors

A typical Shilov posting. It isn't certain that AVX-512 is in hardware because even Xeon E3 won't have it. Only high-end Xeon some years later.

 

[Redentor]

A little news about skylake: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...lar-to-the-transition-from-prescott-to-conroe

Not bad at all, if true.

 

[Nothingness]

A little news about skylake: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...lar-to-the-transition-from-prescott-to-conroe

Not bad at all, if true.

Very unlikely if this is really a Skylake result: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1753502

 

[Borealis7]

after yesterday's leak about the 2 BDW LGA1150 SKUs i'm even more convinced Skylake will be my next platform.

 

[Harrod]

My 1155 mb burnt up last week, so after spending 150 getting it back up and running, it will probably be after all of the newness wears off before I do another build.

 

[Dave2150]

Very unlikely if this is really a Skylake result: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1753502

What makes you believe that's a real skylake result?

I assume anyone could fake a result like this if they really wanted to?

 

[Deders]

Very unlikely if this is really a Skylake result: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1753502

Bear in mind if that result is skylake, it's only clocked at 2.6GHz. I think we can expect nearly double the clockspeed upon release.

 

[mikk]

What makes you believe that's a real skylake result?

I assume anyone could fake a result like this if they really wanted to?

The ID belongs to Skylake platform. No idea if this can be faked but wouldn't make sense.

Bear in mind if that result is skylake, it's only clocked at 2.6GHz. I think we can expect nearly double the clockspeed upon release.

Over 5 Ghz? Surely not. We should be happy if SKL could match Devil's Canyon clock speed.

 

[Magic Carpet]

When this is due, Q2/Q3?

Not many engineering samples spotted out in the wild?

A little news about skylake: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...lar-to-the-transition-from-prescott-to-conroe

Not bad at all, if true.

Can it walk the talk? If it's Prescott-to-Conroe like, sure as hell, Intel would have been a bit more vocal. No AVX 3.0 on mainstream chips? Hmm. Is that "TSX" thing has been fixed yet?

If you apply the usual 5-10% performance boost

I hope it is more, than that.

3) With the FIVR* removed, it would be interesting to see what kind of power consumption / performance it has in idle/sleep states.

* - If that is removed, to only come back later, looks like just another compromise to me. If Skylake v1 doesn't overclock well, I will definitely skip. Afraid to ask, is the mainstream "K" model going to use indium solder? :hmm:

 

[Nothingness]

Bear in mind if that result is skylake, it's only clocked at 2.6GHz. I think we can expect nearly double the clockspeed upon release.

More than 5Ghz? This is even more unlikely than a brand new micro-architecture.

My point is that even at 2.6 GHz this would be similar to Haswell scores at similar frequency, so the masked claim of the article referenced above that IPC will skyrocket is unlikely.

Of course I don't claim anything, I'm just guessing

 

[frozentundra123456]

When this is due, Q2/Q3?

Not many engineering samples spotted out in the wild?

If it's Prescott-to-Conroe like, sure as hell, Intel would have been a bit more vocal. No AVX 3.0 on mainstream chips? Hmm.


I hope it is more, than that.

3) With the FIVR removed, it would be interesting to see what kind of power consumption / performance it has in idle/sleep states.

Yea, I agree. I seriously doubt we will see a conroe like jump, but I am trying to remain hopeful of a decent improvement. Skylake will be a 2 generation jump though, so anything less than 15 percent would be less than from SB to Haswell.

I am concerned about the lack of leaks, seems to me that either the performance is not up to what they hoped for or there will be more delays, or both.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yea, I agree. I seriously doubt we will see a conroe like jump, but I am trying to remain hopeful of a decent improvement. Skylake will be a 2 generation jump though, so anything less than 15 percent would be less than from SB to Haswell.

I am concerned about the lack of leaks, seems to me that either the performance is not up to what they hoped for or there will be more delays, or both.

Well for me, it's clear, my current 4770K is a poor overclocker. So, if the Skylake unlocked SKU overclocks reasonably well, has good temps and can offer at least 10% IPC boost in every CPU metric, out of the box, I will most likely upgrade to it. If Intel wants my money, of course.

P.S. Sad, that they decided to part with VGA, though. I still have a few VGA-only panels around for misc. use.

 

[Dave2150]

Well for me, it's clear, my current 4770K is a poor overclocker. So, if the Skylake unlocked SKU overclocks reasonably well, has good temps and can offer at least 10% IPC boost in every CPU metric, out of the box, I will most likely upgrade to it. If Intel wants my money, of course.

P.S. Sad, that they decided to part with VGA, though. I still have a few VGA-only panels around for misc. use.

I think it's nice to be out with the old, in with the new. Good riddance, VGA!

 

[Magic Carpet]

I think it's nice to be out with the old, in with the new. Good riddance, VGA!

Those are very good 75Hz Viewsonic 4:3 monitors, they have served me well. But, I suppose, you are right. Time for the new stuff :thumbsup:

 

[frozentundra123456]

So if you have a dgpu with a VGA connector would that work?

 

[Magic Carpet]

So if you have a dgpu with a VGA connector would that work?

Yeah, it works fine with a dgpu, no problem at all. I like to use 2-4 monitors depending on task at hand, 2 connected to onboard (VGA+DVI) and another two connected thru the dgpu (GTX 670, again VGA+DVI). No issues with drivers or excessive power consumption (HD 4600 works really well w/ dgpu). With Skylake, I might have to get another DVI (hard to find a quality 16:10 panel these days, not a fan of 16:9) monitor instead.

 

[JimKiler]

Maybe, depending on personal finances and how well my rig holds up. Phenom II 965 and HD7770, 6GB DDR2. It keeps on playing all the games I want it to, so it's hard to justify a rebuild!

I was in the same boat as you with a PII 955 and R9 270 but then 3 weeks ago my CPU died after less than 4 years of use. Now that i have a Devil Canyon 4790K i will definitely skip Skylake.

 

[Magic Carpet]

my CPU died after less than 4 years of use.

Don't want to de-rail this thread, but really curious how did that happen?

 

[DrMrLordX]

When this is due, Q2/Q3?

Not many engineering samples spotted out in the wild?

Intel is real tight with the ES chips nowadays, it seems. That or they have NDAs with big nasty teeth (compared to previous NDAs). Intel assassin squads? Who knows.

Afraid to ask, is the mainstream "K" model going to use indium solder? :hmm:

Don't count on it. Both Intel and AMD have switched to TIM under the IHS for everything that isn't a server CPU or a derivitive thereof (hence the solder under the IHS of FX chips). I don't even know if the "stuff" under the IHS of HEDT Haswell-E chips counts as solder, it's more of a metalized epoxy or something, but it seems to work okay.

Anyway plan on delid/relid operations or suffering the TIM madness. Learn to embrace the CLU.