A little news about skylake: http://www.bitsandchips.it/52-engli...lar-to-the-transition-from-prescott-to-conroe
Not bad at all, if true.
Or there hasn't been many shipped to partners.Intel is real tight with the ES chips nowadays, it seems. That or they have NDAs with big nasty teeth (compared to previous NDAs). Intel assassin squads? Who knows.
Yeah, as it seems, welcome to "the new world order".Don't count on it. Both Intel and AMD have switched to TIM under the IHS for everything that isn't a server CPU or a derivitive thereof (hence the solder under the IHS of FX chips).
It isn't indium solder? Interesting. But like you said, it does the job.I don't even know if the "stuff" under the IHS of HEDT Haswell-E chips counts as solder, it's more of a metalized epoxy or something, but it seems to work okay.
Argh, absolutely not a fan of cleaning my gear with sandpaper and that resale valueAnyway plan on delid/relid operations or suffering the TIM madness. Learn to embrace the CLU.
There was no Prescott to Conroe transition, there was a Yonah to Conroe transition.
More than 5Ghz? This is even more unlikely than a brand new micro-architecture.
My point is that even at 2.6 GHz this would be similar to Haswell scores at similar frequency, so the masked claim of the article referenced above that IPC will skyrocket is unlikely.
Of course I don't claim anything, I'm just guessing
At the consumer product level there was a Prescott to Conroe transition.
At the design level there was a Prescott to Cedar Mill transition in parallel with a Yonah to Conroe transition.
I'm guessing the author is referring to the product level transition, perhaps the product level transition is more relevant to his target audience?
If Broadwell wants to play the part of Cedar Mill so that Skylake can thump Haswell ala a Prescott to Conroe product level transition then what is not to like? Bring on the next big thing!
Or there hasn't been many shipped to partners.
It isn't indium solder? Interesting. But like you said, it does the job.
Argh, absolutely not a fan of cleaning my gear with sandpaper and that resale value
Intel doesn't have such a thing to draw on anymore.
Wellll they sorta do. They could always go back to Netburst. Imagine Netburst with modern ISA extensions, improvements to cache architecture/branch predictors, and HT, combined with on-die memory controller and HCM too. Eh I dunno maybe it would still be ass.
The only time I've seen underneath the lid of a HEDT Haswell-E was when someone published screenshots of a delidded Haswell-E ES chip:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-core-i7-5960x-de-lidded-haswell-e-uses-soldered-tim,3.html
The article calls it "soldering" but that chalky white stuff doesn't look like any solder I've ever seen. It's so hard that the guy who did the delid mangled the chip.
That is solder. It only looks chalky white because of the way the photo was taken.
Amazing how much they use on that chip though, a bit of overkill if you ask me.
It's rather odd that a company that specializes in making really small things very, very well can't manage a consistent die/ihs gap.
For the love of haysoos, it's a similar scenario to the black and blue dress (3/4 of viewers thought it was white and gold!)! I agree with you, it is solder but can understand because of the picture quality that someone would see a white substance.That is solder. It only looks chalky white because of the way the photo was taken.
Amazing how much they use on that chip though, a bit of overkill if you ask me.
Hear, hear!It's rather odd that a company that specializes in making really small things very, very well can't manage a consistent die/ihs gap.
Or better yet go back to naked die at least for certain platforms. Most mobile chips I see are sans noobshields because honestly they do nothing but inhibit heat dissipation.Agreed. Just manage the eff'ing gap the same as you expect your mobile OEMs to manage it (who all receive your chips sans IHS) and your desktop customers would be all the better served.
Or better yet, just keep the solder there and stop making it be something the end-user need even be aware of.
No, there's going to be major disappointment when Skylake comes out if Intel's recent track record is anything to go by, and those telling you to wait for Skylake will be the same ones telling you to wait for Cannonlake in 6 months time.
I would have preferred if they had released a BW-K with the speeds of the 4790K though, so that I could have kept my 32Gb DDR3. But since they won't, and since BW doesn't work in Z87 anyway, my upgrade itch will have to be cured by Skylake.
Nice idea for the modern age Netburst killer. It already had HT though.
But yeah that wouldn't be very good.
That is solder. It only looks chalky white because of the way the photo was taken.
Amazing how much they use on that chip though, a bit of overkill if you ask me.
It's easier to sell a chip that hasn't been "tampered with a hammer"Resale value? What's that???
No idea, but you have a good point. In my experience, you need at least a Radeon 270 class gpu to enjoy latest games on low to medium settings (if you care about minimum frame rates at your monitor vsync, in AAA titles, of course). I doubt, Skylake's on-die graphics will be this powerful, though. But should be a nice upgrade of what we have on the mainstream, desktop Haswell. HD 4600 can only play older games with good FPS, it's not even as fast as the uber-slow Nvidia GT 640 with DDR3 memory, FYI. I'd prefer to have more die space dedicated to CPU than GPU though, if I'd want an APU, I know where to look (hint: AMD). Has to be balanced right. Yah, Intel still can screw this up, imo.What about the iGPU in Skylake? Will it be enough to play new games at 720p on medium settings at 30fps?
I am more interested in how much igpu performance improvement can be had in Skylake if one decides to game via igpu instead of buying a $100 graphics card. I mean $100 buys you an R7 250X or Gtx 750 but i doubt the igpu in even the top end Skylake i7 will come any close to it. In fact not even the best igpu in AMD APU's can best my 7750 gddr5 yet.
Agreed. In WinRAR for example, those logical cores act pretty much as physical. Not bad a progress.Yeah, P4s has HT starting with P4b I think (P4a didn't have it, did it?), but the modern implementation on say Haswell is actually much better.
Yeah, I don't understand this. What were they thinking when they released a "K" processor with piss poor TIM? .. Just look at the stock fan. What they were thinking? I'd like to have a word with the person responsible for making this decision.Or better yet, just keep the solder there and stop making it be something the end-user need even be aware of.
It still "might" work in Z87, though. I wouldn't be surprised if some mobo's would support it eventually. Let's wait and see. But Skylake is DDR3 compatible, that's a given I think? I also want to re-use my 32GB 1.35v kit.I would have preferred if they had released a BW-K with the speeds of the 4790K though, so that I could have kept my 32Gb DDR3. But since they won't, and since BW doesn't work in Z87 anyway, my upgrade itch will have to be cured by Skylake.
No idea, but you have a good point. In my experience, you need at least a Radeon 270 class gpu to enjoy latest games on low to medium settings (if you care about minimum frame rates at your monitor vsync, in AAA titles, of course). I doubt, Skylake's on-die graphics will be this powerful, though. But should be a nice upgrade of what we have on the mainstream, desktop Haswell. HD 4600 can only play older games with good FPS, it's not even as fast as the uber-slow Nvidia GT 640 with DDR3 memory, FYI. I'd prefer to have more die space dedicated to CPU than GPU though, if I'd want an APU, I know where to look (hint: AMD). Has to be balanced right. Yah, Intel still can screw this up, imo.
Yeah, it works fine with a dgpu, no problem at all. I like to use 2-4 monitors depending on task at hand, 2 connected to onboard (VGA+DVI) and another two connected thru the dgpu (GTX 670, again VGA+DVI). No issues with drivers or excessive power consumption (HD 4600 works really well w/ dgpu). With Skylake, I might have to get another DVI (hard to find a quality 16:10 panel these days, not a fan of 16:9) monitor instead.