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dmens

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Originally posted by: yllus
If I get really bored at home tonight, I'll provide context and explain each of the verses you've quoted there, dmens. I know off the bat that the first one is wholly and completely out of context, the second sounds like it's neither Muhammed or God talking at all (unless he's started using the 'royal we'), and the third is possibly the most ridiculous "translation" I've ever seen on these forums.

Please, I'd like to see your take on the vile text, since SnowMan can't be bothered. By the way, the second verse did start with "we".

Look, you've obviously got an axe to grind against the religion. I assure you I'm far more jaded with the religion than you are, but I don't feel the need to flat out misrepresent the facts as you're doing. There's plenty to criticize without intellectual dishonesty, so do us a favour and stick to those things instead of insulting our intelligence by pretending you're accurately representing how anyone would view those verses.

I'll wait for your context before commenting, but you're right, there's far more to criticize outside this particular text.
 

yllus

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Every child who grows up as a Muslim knows the story of Abu Lahab by heart (we had it drilled into us), so I or any of the millions of people who grew up as Muslims in the nation you live in can easily correct you on the first verse you quoted.

The second quote... You don't seriously think that your explanation of it makes sense, do you? Who is "we"? God? Who is he referring to in the plural, himself and, I dunno, Moses? Jesus? The Holy Ghost? Anyone with a understanding of basic grammar knows there's something fishy there.

The third you've taken from some very odd translation, and then took what's obviously a retelling of history and are pretending that it's some sort of commandment. Again, unless you're completely hopeless with languages you know that doesn't work.

Yet again, I'm probably the most critical person of religion in this forum, but when you're lying about how the Koran reads, I'll correct those facts - just like I'd speak up and correct a slur I knew was untrue against even my worst enemy. But yeah, go on about that "tribal Islamic double standard" if you need to. Damned Canadian...urban Toronto...agnostic...tribes.
 

dmens

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Originally posted by: yllus
But yeah, go on about that "tribal Islamic double standard" if you need to. Damned Canadian...urban Toronto...agnostic...tribes.

I was referring to the fact that islamic tradition justifies many actions when committed against non-muslims when they would be grievous sins if committed against other muslims. Tribal refers to the us vs them mentality that might be used to justify such a double standard.
 
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