Again, elections have real consequences for real people, including yourself. It isn't sports. Enjoy your consequences.
Again, elections have real consequences for real people, including yourself. It isn't sports. Enjoy your consequences.That's not the point at all. The point is that rage isn't the answer, it doesn't change minds. It doesn't help anyone. If you need to have a fit and bang your head on the wall that's fine, do it, then get over it.
What is your suggestion here, run someone truly progressive populist? Cause I think I agree with that. Someone like Bernie but younger.I'm not your mom either.
#irony
If you have to go back 4 years to whine, keep living in the past. Psychosis does that.
#glorydays
... except what was the glory? It was a shithole, under the brandon administration. Delusional much?
Weak ignorant internet whiners are not important. Reality check. Proven.
Be a sore loser. Your mental anguish is all on you. Do tell me about the terrible ordeals you suffered the last time trump was president? Most americans were not in your mental decline during that period.
Either way, accept this... it's only 4 years. We'll survive no matter what your agenda is, come out of it and have better candidates next time. The important thing is that citizens are more aware of the importance of their vote.
I'm doing fine here in life. Took Wednesday off and had a nice Thursday and Friday of work. Have an appointment this morning and tomorrow.World class butt hurt, with a huge helping impotent rage.
News flash, Trump won the election because the majority decided he was a better choice than Harris. It really is that simple. Your idea of what the U.S. government should be has been rejected, Trumps ideas have been accepted. That's our reality, that's our country, and no amount of sniveling is going to change that. So finish up your tantrum, pull up your big boy pants, wipe your nose, and get on with life.
That won’t happen without a massive awakening. In my opinion even what it means to be progressive isn’t known on the left. To be progressive, in my opinion, requires the integration of opposites a conscious level of awareness most people are unwilling to entertain as even existing as a possibility for them. Humanity is asleep and wants it that way.What is your suggestion here, run someone truly progressive populist? Cause I think I agree with that. Someone like Bernie but younger.
The funny thing about killing Chevron means that now when people bring lawsuits, federal agencies (soon to be headed by right wing hacks) will no longer be owed deference by trial courts. Two can play the judge/district shopping game.I know you're kidding, but I think they'll act at the executive level and have the FDA backdoor ban all abortion meds, enforce the comstock act, and do something with interstate ob/gyn restrictions. Doubt any of it actually gets to SCOTUS. It'll all be in place within the first year.
Dems need to start playing that game. It's largely been conservatives that have been doing it. And of course, SCOTUS has a conservative majorityThe funny thing about killing Chevron means that now when people bring lawsuits, federal agencies (soon to be headed by right wing hacks) will no longer be owed deference by trial courts. Two can play the judge/district shopping game.
I can feel the exhaustion already setting in.I mean with a Trump victory, now we get to go back to...
At least 5 new scandals daily, and by the time Friday rolls around, Monday's scandals seem months old, because so many new scandals popped up by Friday! And this time with ZERO guardrails!
Oh well this is how 'murica obviously remembers 45...
TBH I'm surprised to see so many non Trump fans here. My past experience has been that most PC builders have been deeply conservative politically. This guy is just such an idiot, IDK how anyone supports him, but well whatever. We're screwed now.
You're a big kid, you know how to use a search engine.
I will and i'll also enjoy the added freedoms.Again, elections have real consequences for real people, including yourself. It isn't sports. Enjoy your consequences.
What freedoms were denied you?I will and i'll also enjoy the added freedoms.
Different opinions are always exhausting, what's worse is when censors and authoritarians try to stifle dissent as the left has been doing for so many years.I can feel the exhaustion already setting in.
It’s even better since the Supremes declared the end of settled law. Folks can litigate the same issues over and over again. Don’t like a ruling? Set up a new LLC and sue again.The funny thing about killing Chevron means that now when people bring lawsuits, federal agencies (soon to be headed by right wing hacks) will no longer be owed deference by trial courts. Two can play the judge/district shopping game.
Trump thought Hillary should have been and tried to rile up his brownshirts to do it.So you think Trump should have been assassinated?
That is fucked up.
When were you stifled, be specific.Different opinions are always exhausting, what's worse is when censors and authoritarians try to stifle dissent as the left has been doing for so many years.
Trump thought Hillary should have been and tried to rile up his brownshirts to do it.
That's not the point at all. The point is that rage isn't the answer, it doesn't change minds. It doesn't help anyone. If you need to have a fit and bang your head on the wall that's fine, do it, then get over it.
It's eitherCan you post up a link where he said she needed to be assassinated or tried to get someone to assassinate Hillary?
You must be referring to this statement:
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know. But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.”
I don't see where he was asking anyone to assassinate Hillary. And as he said: "But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.”
Can you post up a link where he said she needed to be assassinated or tried to get someone to assassinate Hillary?
You must be referring to this statement:
“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know. But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.”
I don't see where he was asking anyone to assassinate Hillary. And as he said: "But I’ll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.”
November 8. 2024 (Friday)
Social media has been flooded today with stories of Trump voters who are shocked to learn that tariffs will raise consumer prices as reporters are covering that information. Daniel Laguna of LevelUp warned that Trump’s proposed 60% tariff on Chinese imports could raise the costs of gaming consoles by 40%, so that a PS5 Pro gaming system would cost up to $1,000. One of the old justifications for tariffs was that they would bring factories home, but when the $3 billion shoe company Steve Madden announced yesterday it would reduce its imports from China by half to avoid Trump-promised tariffs, it said it will shift production not to the U.S., but to Cambodia, Vietnam, Mexico, and Brazil.
There are also stories that voters who chose Trump to lower household expenses are unhappy to discover that their undocumented relatives are in danger of deportation. When CNN’s Dana Bash asked Indiana Republican senator-elect Jim Banks if undocumented immigrants who had been here for a long time and integrated into the community would be deported, Banks answered that deportation should include “every illegal in this country that we can find.”
Yesterday a Trump-appointed federal judge struck down a policy established by the Biden administration that was designed to create an easier path to citizenship for about half a million undocumented immigrants who are married to U.S. citizens. Meanwhile, Trump’s advisors told Jim VandeHei and MIke Allen of Axios that Trump wasted valuable time at the beginning of his first term and that they will not make that mistake again. They plan to hit the ground running with tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, deregulation, and increased gas and oil production. Trump is looking to fill the top ranks of the government with “billionaires, former CEOs, tech leaders and loyalists.” After the election, the wealth of Trump-backer Elon Musk jumped about $13 billion, making him worth $300 billion. Musk, who has been in frequent contact with Russian president Vladimir Putin, joined a phone call today between President-elect Trump and Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky. In Salon today, Amanda Marcotte noted that in states all across the country where voters backed Trump, they also voted for abortion rights, higher minimum wage, paid sick and family leave, and even to ban employers from forcing their employees to sit through right-wing or anti-union meetings.
She points out that 12% of voters in Missouri voted both for abortion rights and for Trump.Marcotte recalled that Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou of the Washington Post showed before the election that voters overwhelmingly preferred Harris’s policies to Trump’s if they didn’t know which candidate proposed them.
An Ipsos/Reuters poll from October showed that voters who were misinformed about immigration, crime, and the economy tended to vote Republican, while those who knew the facts preferred Democrats. Many Americans turn for information to social media or to friends and family who traffic in conspiracy theories. As Angelo Carusone of Media Matters put it: “We have a country that is pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.” In The New Republic today, Michael Tomasky reinforced that voters chose Trump in 2024 not because of the economy or inflation, or anything else, but because of how they perceived those issues—which is not the same thing. Right-wing media “fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win,” Tomasky wrote.
Right-wing media has overtaken legacy media to set the country’s political agenda not only because it’s bigger, but because it speaks with one voice, “and that voice says Democrats and liberals are treasonous elitists who hate you, and Republicans and conservatives love God and country and are your last line of defense against your son coming home from school your daughter.”Tomasky noted how the work of Matthew Gertz of Media Matters shows that nearly all the crazy memes that became central campaign issues—the pet-eating story, for example, or the idea that the booming economy was terrible—came from right-wing media.
In those circles, Vice President Kamala Harris was a stupid, crazed extremist who orchestrated a coup against President Joe Biden and doesn’t care about ordinary Americans, while Trump is under assault and has been for years, and he’s “doing it all for you.”Investigative reporter Miranda Green outlined how “pink slime” newspapers, which are AI generated from right-wing sites, turned voters to Trump in key swing state counties. Republican strategist Sarah Longwell, who studies focus groups, told NPR, “When I ask voters in focus groups if they think Donald Trump is an authoritarian, the #1 response by far is, ‘What is an authoritarian?’”
In a social media post, Marcotte wrote: “A lot of voters are profoundly ignorant. More so than in the past.” That jumped out to me because there was, indeed, an earlier period in our history when voters were “pickled in right-wing misinformation and rage.”In the 1850s, white southern leaders made sure that voters did not have access to news that came from outside the American South, and instead steeped them in white supremacist information. They stopped the mail from carrying abolitionist pamphlets, destroyed presses of antislavery newspapers, and drove antislavery southerners out of their region.Elite enslavers had reason to be concerned about the survival of their system of human enslavement.
The land boom of the 1840s, when removal of Indigenous peoples had opened up rich new lands for settlement, had priced many white men out of the market. They had become economically unstable, roving around the country working for wages or stealing to survive. And they deeply resented the fabulously wealthy enslavers who they knew looked down on them.
In 1857, North Carolinian Hinton Rowan Helper wrote a book attacking enslavement. No friend to his Black neighbors, Helper was a virulent white supremacist. But in The Impending Crisis of the South: How to Meet It, he used modern statistics to prove that slavery destroyed economic opportunity for white men, and assailed “the illbreeding and ruffianism of the slaveholding officials.” He noted that voters in the South who did not own slaves outnumbered by far those who did. "Give us fair play, secure to us the right of discussion, the freedom of speech, and we will settle the difficulty at the ballot-box,” he wrote.In the North the book sold like hotcakes—142,000 copies by fall 1860.
But southern leaders banned the book, and burned it, too. They arrested men for selling it and accused northerners of making war on the South. Politicians, newspaper editors, and ministers reinforced white supremacy, warned that the end of slavery would mean race war, and preached that enslavement was God’s law.When northern voters elected Abraham Lincoln in November 1860 on a platform of containing enslavement in the South, where the sapped soil would soon cut into production, southern leaders decided—usually without the input of voters—to secede from the Union. As leaders promised either that there wouldn’t be a fight, or that if a fight happened it would be quick and painless, poor southern whites rallied to the cause of creating a nation based on white supremacy, reassured by South Carolina senator James Chesnut’s vow that he would personally drink all the blood shed in any threatened civil war.
When Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter in April 1861, poor white men set out for what they had come to believe was an imperative cause to protect their families and their way of life. By 1862 their enthusiasm had waned, and leaders passed a conscription law. That law permitted wealthy men to hire a substitute and exempted one man to oversee every 20 enslaved men, providing another way for rich men to keep their sons out of danger. Soldiers complained it was a “rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” By 1865 the Civil War had killed or wounded 483,026 men out of a southern white population of about five and a half million people. U.S. armies had pushed families off their lands, and wartime inflation drove ordinary people to starvation. By 1865, wives wrote to their soldier husbands to come home or there would be no one left to come home to. Even those poor white men who survived the war could not rebuild into prosperity. The war took from the South its monopoly of global cotton production, locking poor southerners into profound poverty from which they would not begin to recover until the 1930s, when the New Deal began to pour federal money into the region.
Today, when I received a slew of messages gloating that Trump had won the election and that Republican voters had owned the libs, I could not help but think of that earlier era when ordinary white men sold generations of economic aspirations for white supremacy and bragging rights.
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Time goes on, the battle never ends.The NewRepublic article said it best. What did hostile forces do first when they took over a govt? Control the TV/radio. I remember a scene from the "Man in the High Castle" where the Nazis, after conquering the US, finally bring radio outlets back online and start broadcasting messages about how the American people are "finally liberated."
What the GOP started 30 years ago has finally culminated in a total and decisive victory. They don't just control the media ecosystem, they control reality.
I laugh when people around here say the Dems need to pierce this RW ecosystem. LOL they have a 30+ year headstart on us.
We lost.
It's either
1. Go kill her, it'll be a horrible day (if she gets to pick her judges)
-or-
2. Go kill her, it'll be a horrible day (like it would be horrible if your window gets smashed in if you don't pay protection money)
That is some prime grade acid level rationalization right there.
It was tongue in cheek, sure. If it wasnt he'd been in legal trouble, so he was walking that thin line. Fucking mind boggling that anyone would excuse him though, he is talking to a massive crowd and guaranteed there is a handful of nutcases in there and he knows it. You know it(I hope!). Yet still... sigh
Finally something I can agree with you on.The NewRepublic article said it best. What did hostile forces do first when they took over a govt? Control the TV/radio. I remember a scene from the "Man in the High Castle" where the Nazis, after conquering the US, finally bring radio outlets back online and start broadcasting messages about how the American people are "finally liberated."
What the GOP started 30 years ago has finally culminated in a total and decisive victory. They don't just control the media ecosystem, they control reality.
I laugh when people around here say the Dems need to pierce this RW ecosystem. LOL they have a 30+ year headstart on us.
We lost.
We lost this year. And it wasn't a blowout, we didn't get 2020 numbers.The NewRepublic article said it best. What did hostile forces do first when they took over a govt? Control the TV/radio. I remember a scene from the "Man in the High Castle" where the Nazis, after conquering the US, finally bring radio outlets back online and start broadcasting messages about how the American people are "finally liberated."
What the GOP started 30 years ago has finally culminated in a total and decisive victory. They don't just control the media ecosystem, they control reality.
I laugh when people around here say the Dems need to pierce this RW ecosystem. LOL they have a 30+ year headstart on us.
We lost.