~~~Arguement to keep all Pot Illegal~~~

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: EXman
Gonad that is pretty good but my focus once again was narrow on Pot alone. all that extra stuff I cannot implement into an anti-Pot paper. I really do not agree with you on the gateway issue though I think you are just plain wrong. So if you read the paper just about Pot w/o getting into other vices then you will realize the narrow scope on which I had to keep to my assignment.

You are mentioning heroine and cocaine. Why are those valid to add and not tobacco and alcohol? And I'd like to know why you disagree with me on the gateway drug part.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Russ
EXman,

I'm not going to bother reading that pile you've posted. In my 46 years on this planet I've heard every conceivable argument on this issue, both pro and con. There simply is no logical and truely justifiable reasoning for keeping marijuana illegal.

It should be legalized and controlled exactly as alcohol is.

Russ, NCNE

That's not the typical arguement I've heard out of a 46 year old (no offense). In my 21 years on this planet, I've heard a few of the pro and con arguments, as well as experimented myself. After having experienced it myself, and heard the con side (some of it is true), I still can't make up my mind whether it should be legal. As far as taxing the stuff, that's not possible; think about how we would implement that system. It would be too costly. Anyway, I'm rambling; Though I can't decide about pot, it falls in a gray zone in my mind. I belive the government has no right to regulate any "gray zones" (areas in which personal morality is the decisive factor). I guess I'm pro-legalization then, or at least decriminalization.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Gaard

How many children will take legalization of marijuana as a green light or just that extra push toward marijuana?

None if their parents would raise them that way.

What are you saying? If their parents raise them what way? To not smoke pot?

To not rely on the government to make their decisions for them.

Fair enough.


If you were a parent would you want your kids to smoke it?

 

[gopunk]

I really don't care what people do to themselves (unless they're friends of family), but the problem is that the person isn't only harming themselves. If everyone on this planet lived in a sealed chamber and there was no way for them to "interact" with other human beings then it truly wouldn't matter what someone did to themselves because they couldn't affect anyone else. The problem is though that the majority of the time you're not just hurting yourself. I'm not just talking about pot here, this includes any number of things; smoking, drinking, eating habits, gambling, etc... The harm that can be caused could be physical or emotional.

i agree... but is the solution to outlaw those things? doubtful.

I've seen alcohol tear apart families. I've seen pot (and other drugs) virtually destroy a family. I've seen smoking take away loved ones. I've seen people in tears because of their eating habits (for instance: being "reminded" how large someone is while they're chomping away at a big mac). The list goes on.

so maybe the family should make sure they stop taking pot. it's not the law's job to keep families together, and it shouldn't be.

Also, what's wrong with showing a little compassion for your fellow human being? If you see someone hurling their life down the toilet because of "drugs" or "habits" then what's wrong with trying to help them out?

nothing is wrong, if you want to do that, go ahead. i'm not going to waste my time however. over and over again we are told drugs are bad, at this point, anybody that chooses to take drugs is fully aware of the consequences and chooses to ignore them. i really don't feel like helping someone like that.

 

[EXman]

but i still won't care about him. i might hate him, despise him, etc. but i will never care about him

kind of an oxymoron "not care" but then you come right out and say"I might Hate him, despise him" I just don't see the logic in that statement .

Anyone else taking Summer School?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Adul
all have to do is look at a pothead and say thank god I never started.

lol, better watch out Adul, you might run into those evil "potheads" when you least expect it

 

[BD2003]

That article is an absolute joke. Those are the weakest arguments I've ever heard in my entire life. Obviously written by a person that knows nothing about marijuana other than "Drugs are bad, mmmkay."

Sounds like a high school debate team paper its so ridiculous.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: EXman

but i still won't care about him. i might hate him, despise him, etc. but i will never care about him

kind of an oxymoron "not care" but then you come right out and say"I might Hate him, despise him" I just don't see the logic in that statement .

Anyone else taking Summer School?

not really... i care about my dogs, and my family... but i don't care about osama bin laden. there are multiple definitions for the word "care" fyi.

 

[EXman]

That's not the typical arguement I've heard out of a 46 year old (no offense). In my 21 years on this planet, I've heard a few of the pro and con arguments, as well as experimented myself. After having experienced it myself, and heard the con side (some of it is true), I still can't make up my mind whether it should be legal. As far as taxing the stuff, that's not possible; think about how we would implement that system. It would be too costly. Anyway, I'm rambling; Though I can't decide about pot, it falls in a gray zone in my mind. I belive the government has no right to regulate any "gray zones" (areas in which personal morality is the decisive factor). I guess I'm pro-legalization then, or at least decriminalization.

Then what do you tell the kids who expect dare and get a government sponsored endorcement to "stop saying no it is ok to smoke pot!" instead. isn't that a bit dangerous?

 

[gopunk]

n/m

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Still nothing of substance. Addictive, no, dangerous, less so than alcohol or cigarettes. It's really all about negative stigma, and a bunch of people with sticks in their rear ends who are too insecure to even try it.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: EXman

That's not the typical arguement I've heard out of a 46 year old (no offense). In my 21 years on this planet, I've heard a few of the pro and con arguments, as well as experimented myself. After having experienced it myself, and heard the con side (some of it is true), I still can't make up my mind whether it should be legal. As far as taxing the stuff, that's not possible; think about how we would implement that system. It would be too costly. Anyway, I'm rambling; Though I can't decide about pot, it falls in a gray zone in my mind. I belive the government has no right to regulate any "gray zones" (areas in which personal morality is the decisive factor). I guess I'm pro-legalization then, or at least decriminalization.

Then what do you tell the kids who expect dare and get a government sponsored endorcement to "stop saying no it is ok to smoke pot!" instead. isn't that a bit dangerous?

well, lets get something straight, legalization is different from a government endorsement. i mean, eating your own poop is legal, but does that mean that the government endorses it? and btw, we should still keep a dare like program in there. it's important to teach kids why drugs are harmful to your body.

 

[gopunk]

btw, what russ said about it being a class project. your arguments for keeping it illegal are as good as any other i've ever seen

and i'm sitting in on diff eqs and data structures.

 

[EXman]

That article is an absolute joke. Those are the weakest arguments I've ever heard in my entire life. Obviously written by a person that knows nothing about marijuana other than "Drugs are bad, mmmkay."

and you sparkling adomonishment of my paper was pretty weak itself. Least Gonad said why...

Gonad If Pot is legalized the more people will try it and then those people become 104% more likely to try Hard drugs that is all.

 

[EXman]

<shakes head at Gopunk>

we are on two different levels here bro

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: EXman
<shakes head at Gopunk>

we are on two different levels here bro

yes, i'm aware of that... i'm on the right one, and you're on the wrong one

j/k... what prompted that comment? the poop thing?

 

[Cougar]

Originally posted by: gopunk
I really don't care what people do to themselves (unless they're friends of family), but the problem is that the person isn't only harming themselves. If everyone on this planet lived in a sealed chamber and there was no way for them to "interact" with other human beings then it truly wouldn't matter what someone did to themselves because they couldn't affect anyone else. The problem is though that the majority of the time you're not just hurting yourself. I'm not just talking about pot here, this includes any number of things; smoking, drinking, eating habits, gambling, etc... The harm that can be caused could be physical or emotional.

i agree... but is the solution to outlaw those things? doubtful.

I've seen alcohol tear apart families. I've seen pot (and other drugs) virtually destroy a family. I've seen smoking take away loved ones. I've seen people in tears because of their eating habits (for instance: being "reminded" how large someone is while they're chomping away at a big mac). The list goes on.

so maybe the family should make sure they stop taking pot. it's not the law's job to keep families together, and it shouldn't be.

Also, what's wrong with showing a little compassion for your fellow human being? If you see someone hurling their life down the toilet because of "drugs" or "habits" then what's wrong with trying to help them out?

nothing is wrong, if you want to do that, go ahead. i'm not going to waste my time however. over and over again we are told drugs are bad, at this point, anybody that chooses to take drugs is fully aware of the consequences and chooses to ignore them. i really don't feel like helping someone like that.

I couldn't agree more that it shouldn't be the law's job to do any of this stuff. The problem is that people are so stupid anymore, and no one can be held accountable for anything that there almost has to be some sort of laws to keep people in check. It seems like about the only time someone doesn't do something anymore is because it's illegal. No matter how hard people try to convince their family/friends that what they're doing is wrong it just doesn't seem to matter anymore because "I'm not hurting anyone but myself" or "It's my life, what do you care". My whole point is that people just don't affect themselves. They affect various other people that they come in contact with or are close with.

It's a total lack of responsibility on everyone's part. Parents protest tv stations because the electronic babysitter isn't showing "wholesome" entertainment. Smokers sue cigarette companies for giving them cancer. Fat people sue snack food companies for making them fat. Again, the list goes on.

Since people are too irresponsible to manage their own lives anymore, then maybe we do need somebody to pick up the slack. It's sad that it has to be the law, but it seems like that's what this world has come to.

 

[EXman]

Still nothing of substance. Addictive, no, dangerous, less so than alcohol or cigarettes. It's really all about negative stigma, and a bunch of people with sticks in their rear ends who are too insecure to even try it.

If someone smoke Pot like they Smoke cigarettes that have more than 460 different compounds cigarettes are pretty tame as a carcinergen. Negative stigma usually those are propagated by at least a small bit of the truth... kinda like a stereotype.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Cougar

I couldn't agree more that it shouldn't be the law's job to do any of this stuff. The problem is that people are so stupid anymore, and no one can be held accountable for anything that there almost has to be some sort of laws to keep people in check. It seems like about the only time someone doesn't do something anymore is because it's illegal. No matter how hard people try to convince their family/friends that what they're doing is wrong it just doesn't seem to matter anymore because "I'm not hurting anyone but myself" or "It's my life, what do you care". My whole point is that people just don't affect themselves. They affect various other people that they come in contact with or are close with.

It's a total lack of responsibility on everyone's part. Parents protest tv stations because the electronic babysitter isn't showing "wholesome" entertainment. Smokers sue cigarette companies for giving them cancer. Fat people sue snack food companies for making them fat. Again, the list goes on.

Since people are too irresponsible to manage their own lives anymore, then maybe we do need somebody to pick up the slack. It's sad that it has to be the law, but it seems like that's what this world has come to.

mm... i see your point, but i disagree giving in to stupidity and irresponsibility will only encourage more of it. we have to stop it where it stands, and say "NO, this is WRONG."

 

[EXman]

Gopunk,

The Poop thing did it for me!



EX

PS I still think I will get an A on my paper just for the simple reason half the class did a paper on Pro legalization of pot. I think my single anti pot paper might be a little refreshing. Do you know how hard it was to find anti-pot stuff on the web? The internet is a tough place to be if you are on the minority side of this Issue. I had to go to the DEA website and a couple other websites for sources.

EDit : I live in KY so it is like Super pro pot and Hemp and all that jazz.

 

[Cougar]

Originally posted by: gopunk

mm... i see your point, but i disagree giving in to stupidity and irresponsibility will only encourage more of it. we have to stop it where it stands, and say "NO, this is WRONG."

Ah, but the question is, who will listen to us?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: EXman

That article is an absolute joke. Those are the weakest arguments I've ever heard in my entire life. Obviously written by a person that knows nothing about marijuana other than "Drugs are bad, mmmkay."

and you sparkling adomonishment of my paper was pretty weak itself. Least Gonad said why...

Gonad If Pot is legalized the more people will try it and then those people become 104% more likely to try Hard drugs that is all.

You don't think that the 104% increased likelyhood is at all related to the fact that the market for pot is the same market for hard drugs, or the fact that pot is often laced with these harder drugs? Pot makes you want food, not crack.

Do you know how hard it was to find anti-pot stuff on the web?

I wonder what the reason is for that?

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Cougar

Originally posted by: gopunk

mm... i see your point, but i disagree giving in to stupidity and irresponsibility will only encourage more of it. we have to stop it where it stands, and say "NO, this is WRONG."

Ah, but the question is, who will listen to us?

i'd rather go down being right but not listened to, than go down being wrong but listened to

 

[WombatWoman]

Originally posted by: EXman

If someone smoke Pot like they Smoke cigarettes that have more than 460 different compounds cigarettes are pretty tame as a carcinergen. Negative stigma usually those are propagated by at least a small bit of the truth... kinda like a stereotype.

However toxic marijuana may be (and there is a great deal of disagreement among experts on this,) be aware that even a heavy user is unlikely to "smoke pot like they smoke cigarettes." The buzz from a cigarette wears off almost immediately, leaving the addict needing a new hit right away. A marijuana high lasts for hours.

I used to smoke two and a half packs of cigs every day. I have known a lot of bigtime dopers, but I'll bet even Cheech & Chong never went through 50 spliffs a day.

 

[Piano Man]

"Despite decades of research, there appears to be no definitive answer to whether marijuana causes severe long-term physiological damage to users. For every expert who says it does not jeopardize a person's health, there is someone to refute the claim. This uncertainty is reason enough to keep the drug illegal." according to The Michigan Daily Online.

Hmm, sounds like cigarettes and alcolhol. Oh wait, there is a definitive answer for those two. There isn't for marijuna. That is a reason to LEGALIZE it.