arguing with school administrators

[sixone]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

wrong

are you mr holy or something? get over yourself

All you should tell them is how you were involved. A giant poster didn't hurt anybody, the punishement can't be too severe. What's the big deal if you get suspended?

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

if i thought this was defacing or harming anything or anyone I wouldn't have conisidered doing it.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

wrong

are you mr holy or something? get over yourself

All you should tell them is how you were involved. A giant poster didn't hurt anybody, the punishement can't be too severe. What's the big deal if you get suspended?

well I am graduating this year and I would rather not get suspended since it might jeapordize my admitted status to college next year.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

if i thought this was defacing or harming anything or anyone I wouldn't have conisidered doing it.

Financial damage.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

Hate to break this to you, but that ain't remotely 'honor.' 'Honor' wouldn't have allowed anyone to deface someone else's property to begin with.

if i thought this was defacing or harming anything or anyone I wouldn't have conisidered doing it.

Financial damage.

i dont see how money is involved except with the person who funded the poster itself.

 

[Ime]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
i did think this out before I did it and i decided that it didn't harm anyone and that it was worth doing. I'm not running scared at conseuqences that I didn't forsee. I am simply asking for advice in the area of talking to school admins. They don't have a shred of proof that I did it so I'm not really worried.

Two things:

1) Admitting guilt on a web forum CAN come back to haunt you. Just so you know. Many many people are convicted based on their inability to keep their big mouths shut.

2) If you acted alone (which it appears you are implying) then just keep your mouth shut. See #1 above.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Ime

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
i did think this out before I did it and i decided that it didn't harm anyone and that it was worth doing. I'm not running scared at conseuqences that I didn't forsee. I am simply asking for advice in the area of talking to school admins. They don't have a shred of proof that I did it so I'm not really worried.

Two things:

1) Admitting guilt on a web forum CAN come back to haunt you. Just so you know. Many many people are convicted based on their inability to keep their big mouths shut.

2) If you acted alone (which it appears you are implying) then just keep your mouth shut. See #1 above.

i haven't admitted anything of consequence here and i dont think any sort of investigation beyond interrogating students will result from this.
edit: typos

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
They don't have a shred of proof that I did it so I'm not really worried.

Again, this isn't a criminal proceeding. They don't need proof to suspend you.

You still haven't told us how it was that you were involved but not responsible.

 

[NuroMancer]

Personally I am with most of the guys in the forum, own up. Now this doesn't meant that you have to tell them who else was involved.

One thing most people have missed is you are asking for advice.

This depends on the administrator, and how they are viewing it. One of the worst things you can do is this case is attack them. I would stay very calm, and answer the questions that you feel you can, and say that you don't feel ok answering the ones you don't. Never use the word won't or can't, because that will just get them more riled up.
Good luck

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
They don't have a shred of proof that I did it so I'm not really worried.

Again, this isn't a criminal proceeding. They don't need proof to suspend you.

You still haven't told us how it was that you were involved but not responsible.

I just said that involved but not responsible part because I dont want to spell out my involvement in any way in the context of this forum because it is very much public.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

ok the deed in question is the hanging of a giant poster on the side of a building at school that has a student's face on it.

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

if i thought this was defacing or harming anything or anyone I wouldn't have conisidered doing it.

Gee, I guess I didn't read closely enough the first time. Mea culpa. :disgust:

 

[Sphexi]

You're kidding, right? Unconstitutional? Since when does that blanket document protect everybody against everything? And why the hell would you want some "organization" to help you out with this? If you were involved and got caught, take your suspension and stop being a baby. If you weren't involved tell them so, and tell them to prove you were, and if they suspend you have your parents talk to the school board.

I really wish that KIDS would stop thinking that they can do what they want and be protected from the consequences.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Personally I am with most of the guys in the forum, own up. Now this doesn't meant that you have to tell them who else was involved.

One thing most people have missed is you are asking for advice.

This depends on the administrator, and how they are viewing it. One of the worst things you can do is this case is attack them. I would stay very calm, and answer the questions that you feel you can, and say that you don't feel ok answering the ones you don't. Never use the word won't or can't, because that will just get them more riled up.
Good luck

thats pretty much what I was planning on doing. I'm not sure exaclty how I am going to decline to answer questions without sounding rude or gulity. Thanks for understanding this thread.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
You're kidding, right? Unconstitutional? Since when does that blanket document protect everybody against everything? And why the hell would you want some "organization" to help you out with this? If you were involved and got caught, take your suspension and stop being a baby. If you weren't involved tell them so, and tell them to prove you were, and if they suspend you have your parents talk to the school board.

I really wish that KIDS would stop thinking that they can do what they want and be protected from the consequences.

i admit that my post came off pretty badly but I honestly dont expect anyone to come to my rescue i was simply wondering is there is anything I can cite that will make it easier. I really did consider the possible outcome of any involvement in the project. NuroMancer's post reflects what I meant a lot more.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

thats pretty much what I was planning on doing. I'm not sure exaclty how I am going to decline to answer questions without sounding rude or gulity. Thanks for understanding this thread.

How about:

Well, Mr. xxx... I am sorry that this childish prank got out of hand. I did not realize that it was going to escalate into more than just a joke. I am sorry for my role, and am willing to accept any consequences or punishment for my actions and involvement... but I am not comfortable discussing any other students. I am more than willing to co-operate about my part in all of this and that is about as far as I am comfortable going.

 

[cjgallen]

Originally posted by: Hammer
easiest way is to have your lawyer present

Or an older friend dressed up as one.

 

[KillyKillall]

Unless they have proof...you didn't do JACK!

 

[icejunkie]

When teachers/administators would ask me, "Do you want to get suspended?" over stupid sh!t I used to pull in HS, I'd say, "Hell yea! Never was suspended before... free vacation... I don't see the punishment..." and I would always get out of it... hehe

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson
i admit that my post came off pretty badly but I honestly dont expect anyone to come to my rescue i was simply wondering is there is anything I can cite that will make it easier. I really did consider the possible outcome of any involvement in the project. NuroMancer's post reflects what I meant a lot more.

The problem is that it's a school and not law enforcement, so things like burden of proof and due process are not handled the same way. Trying to claim things like "it's unconstitutional" or "you can't prove anything" just makes you sound like a smartass. I know this from experience

That's also why getting your parents involved is a good bet. I know you don't want to be "that kid" whose mom bails you out, but nothing gets school administrators moving like an angry parent. They just don't want to deal with that kind of crap so they buckle quickly.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Honor above all else. I would never own up or snitch. Just don't be a wise-ass about it.

never? ever?

 

[NuroMancer]

Just tell them what your part was, own up but tell them that simply, You are not willing to rat on other students. If your honest, not using a tone, and the administrator is reasonable, he/she will accept that. If they ask why you are unwilling to rat, tell them your reasons. Personally I'd ask for someone else to be in the room beside you and the admin. Who that person is is up to you. I might pick a guidence teacher or parent, because they won't try bulling you into anything with a parent or outside party. Also KarenMarie's approach is a good one! Kudos to her/him.

 

[bdjohnson]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

thats pretty much what I was planning on doing. I'm not sure exaclty how I am going to decline to answer questions without sounding rude or gulity. Thanks for understanding this thread.

How about:

Well, Mr. xxx... I am sorry that this childish prank got out of hand. I did not realize that it was going to escalate into more than just a joke. I am sorry for my role, and am willing to accept any consequences or punishment for my actions and involvement... but I am not comfortable discussing any other students. I am more than willing to co-operate about my part in all of this and that is about as far as I am comfortable going.

if it comes down to it that is probably something like what I'll say.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: bdjohnson

Originally posted by: Sphexi
You're kidding, right? Unconstitutional? Since when does that blanket document protect everybody against everything? And why the hell would you want some "organization" to help you out with this? If you were involved and got caught, take your suspension and stop being a baby. If you weren't involved tell them so, and tell them to prove you were, and if they suspend you have your parents talk to the school board.

I really wish that KIDS would stop thinking that they can do what they want and be protected from the consequences.

i admit that my post came off pretty badly but I honestly dont expect anyone to come to my rescue i was simply wondering is there is anything I can cite that will make it easier. I really did consider the possible outcome of any involvement in the project. NuroMancer's post reflects what I meant a lot more.

There isn't anything you can cite. This isn't a courtroom, you're not under arrest, nothing like that. They can kick you out of school if they want, and think they have enough evidence to do so. If they don't, then simply tell the truth that you weren't involved, no problem. If you were involved and they have proof, deal. Accept it and they'll probably give you a 2-day or something, no biggie.

 

[Baked]

Just bring a tube of asstroglide in w/ you and prepare to bend over. You did a stupid thing, just admit it, apologize, swear to never do it again, and get it over with.