Arizona Governor vetos voter ID bill.

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Gov. Janet Napolitano on Thursday used an appearance before a largely Hispanic audience to veto a bill to require Arizona voters to show identification to cast regular ballots at polling places.

Republican supporters of the bill said it would prevent voter fraud, but Napolitano told the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials that it would deter voter participation.

"In Arizona, we want people to vote," said Napolitano.

The NALEO gathering, which began Thursday and runs through Saturday, will include presentations by Bush administration officials and Democratic presidential candidates.
 

Zebo

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It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)
 

ViRGE

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Humm, interesting point Zebo. Does Arizona not allow you to get a free ID?
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)


What government service are you allowed to receive without proper identification?

Can you go into a State Govt. office and demand services without any identification?

If people cannot even affford to LEGALLY buy identification then what are they doing here?
 

Martin

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wtf?! I wasn't eligible to vote the last time we had elections here (too young), but I always thought you needed some type of ID to cast a vote...

A poll tax? That's stupid...every citizen has a citizenship card or birth certificate....
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)

And it is also illegal to vote more than once or vote under someone elses name. Asking for ID would hardly be considered a poll tax.
 
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)

And it is also illegal to vote more than once or vote under someone elses name. Asking for ID would hardly be considered a poll tax.

It is indeed a poll tax, one would have to pay to be allowed to vote. There's a constitutional amendment specifically prohibiting this. But as was said, if the ID's were free, there'd be little issue.
 

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It would certainly be free of charge. Even politicians today know it there would be an injunction against it in 15 minutes if people had to pay.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)

And it is also illegal to vote more than once or vote under someone elses name. Asking for ID would hardly be considered a poll tax.

It is indeed a poll tax, one would have to pay to be allowed to vote. There's a constitutional amendment specifically prohibiting this. But as was said, if the ID's were free, there'd be little issue.


Last time I checked you usually have to submit some sort of ID(birth certificate and address) to prove your a resident to register to vote. Even if you want to consider the cost of an ID as a poll tax(say an ID is $20), it would constitute 4 hours of labor at minimum wage over the course of 3-5 years that ID is valid for.I would hardly consider this extreme for greatly reducing voter fraud.

At the very least voters need to provide proof residence and contant info.
 

dahunan

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And when the Supreme Court steps in and knocks that dumb bitch's ruling on its' ass you all will scream conspiracy...
 

Nitemare

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Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

I think an ID is perfectly OK. The state cannot charge for it though. That would be a poll tax. Just give them out when the voter presents sufficient documentation.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

I think an ID is perfectly OK. The state cannot charge for it though. That would be a poll tax. Just give them out when the voter presents sufficient documentation.

Doesn't everyone own at least one id? A drivers license is cheap and an id is even cheaper(The only problem is the DMV in Phoenix is an absolute joke. Plan on spending your whole day there. This is why whenever you get a license in Arizona it is good until you turn 65 even if you are only 21)


How did they get into this country? I'm sure they have papers from D.F. or a green card. If they are working in the United States then technically they have to have a tax id number which is a social security number(even if an entire family share one) How bout a green card, visa, library card or bus pass?

The Supreme Court will definitely hand her ass back to her.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

I think an ID is perfectly OK. The state cannot charge for it though. That would be a poll tax. Just give them out when the voter presents sufficient documentation.

Doesn't everyone own at least one id? A drivers license is cheap and an id is even cheaper(The only problem is the DMV in Phoenix is an absolute joke. Plan on spending your whole day there. This is why whenever you get a license in Arizona it is good until you turn 65 even if you are only 21)


How did they get into this country? I'm sure they have papers from D.F. or a green card. If they are working in the United States then technically they have to have a tax id number which is a social security number(even if an entire family share one) How bout a green card, visa, library card or bus pass?

The Supreme Court will definitely hand her ass back to her.


Not every voter has a picture ID. Some do not drive. Now that number is not many, so implimenting a program should not be an issue. I myself do not like non citizens voting.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

Come 2025 the demographics will have changed greatly nationally, white men should clearly be in the minority by then, should be some interesting politics. Women and minorities will collectively have full power, that does not look good for the GOP.
 

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RE:"Gov. Janet Napolitano on Thursday used an appearance before a largely Hispanic audience to veto a bill to require Arizona voters to show identification to cast regular ballots at polling places."

She should be tried for treason
 

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We require ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to cash a check, to cash a welfare check, to use food stamps, to get a marriage license, to get on an airplane, to buy a gun, to get into a casino, a bar, a strip club...

Vote early, vote often.. thats what the democrats like...

Wisconsin has legislation pending for voter ID, which will probably be vetoed by the commie governor here.. a democrat.. big surprise.. Democrats are anti-voter ID because the fraud vote is so important to them winning.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Crimson
We require ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to cash a check, to cash a welfare check, to use food stamps, to get a marriage license, to get on an airplane, to buy a gun, to get into a casino, a bar, a strip club...

Vote early, vote often.. thats what the democrats like...

Wisconsin has legislation pending for voter ID, which will probably be vetoed by the commie governor here.. a democrat.. big surprise.. Democrats are anti-voter ID because the fraud vote is so important to them winning.

This is so true... But democrat voters try to hide the fact that Democrats give out the most social welfare and a lot of it goes to illegals ... so they whore the taxpayer to get votes from illegals :disgust:
 

tcsenter

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It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)
Its not a poll tax. I've come to the conclusion you should really start reading-up a little more about legal and constitutional matters before trying to comment on them (quite unsuccessfully). Ok, so you passed your high school Civics and Government class and learned a lot of new words. That's a start...but passing PSYCH101 does not a pyschologist one make.

The term "poll" doesn't refer to "polling place" as in a place where you vote. Poll literally means "head" or "per head". Thus, "poll tax" is a levy on your head, which is to say, a tax that is levied on your person. A poll tax may be levied for any reason, but two historical motives were to raise war funds or to prevent the poor from voting.

Even if AZ proposed to charge a fee for the voter registration ID, and to my knowledge it did not, it still would be no more of a poll tax than a driver's license fee is a poll tax. The fee is not charged on your head, but to receive a license. Nothing is received in exchange for a poll tax, it is levied merely because you exist.
 

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
It's a poll tax and illegal. (unless the Id's are free)
Its not a poll tax. I've come to the conclusion you should really start reading-up a little more about legal and constitutional matters before trying to comment on them (quite unsuccessfully). Ok, so you passed your high school Civics and Government class and learned a lot of new words. That's a start...but passing PSYCH101 does not a pyschologist one make.

The term "poll" doesn't refer to "polling place" as in a place where you vote. Poll literally means "head" or "per head". Thus, "poll tax" is a levy on your head, which is to say, a tax that is levied on your person. A poll tax may be levied for any reason, but two historical reasons were to raise war funds or to prevent the poor from voting.

Even if AZ proposed to charge a fee for the voter registration ID, and to my knowledge it did not, it still would be no more of a poll tax than a driver's license fee is a poll tax. The fee is not charged on your head, but to receive a license. Nothing is received in exchange for a poll tax, it is levied merely because you exist.

So AZ could mandate a voter ID, charge a thousand dollars, and it would be legal. OK.
 

tcsenter

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So AZ could mandate a voter ID, charge a thousand dollars, and it would be legal. OK.
Are you able to think for yourself at all?

Such a scheme would be unconstitutional, but not because it would be a poll tax.
 
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