Arizona Governor vetos voter ID bill.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

So AZ could mandate a voter ID, charge a thousand dollars, and it would be legal. OK.

Are you able to think for yourself at all?

Such a scheme would be unconstitutional, but not because it would be a poll tax.

Go back to bed grouch

 

[tcsenter]

Go back to bed grouch

lol!

One example of a poll tax would be to levy a tax on the ownership of property, but the impost is a fixed amount assessed merely on the ownership of property, not assessed on the value of the property, or number of acres, or purchase price, so regardless if one owns 1/4 acre of useless dirt or 40 acres of English walnut, every owner of property is levied the same amount. The act of owning is being taxed, which is to say the property owner himself is being taxed, not the property = poll tax.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Don't mix a 'RIGHT' with that of a 'PRIVILEGE'

For example, driving is a privilege, so the fee for a license is valid, and that license
is acceptable as identification - however voting is a right, and the right to vote is not
to be substantiated by charging a poll tax, or requiring a qualifacation of material
ownership as the threshold to that right.
Felons have forfited their right to vote, however the right may or can be reinstated upon
completion of paying their debt to society, persuiant to the laws of the state that said
infraction took place, even if that person has moved to another state.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

So AZ could mandate a voter ID, charge a thousand dollars, and it would be legal. OK.

Are you able to think for yourself at all?

Such a scheme would be unconstitutional, but not because it would be a poll tax.

Why would it be illegal? I'm afraid to ask, of course, because it will indicate I can't think for myself, but then I'm afraid not to, well out of curiosity.

If I used to be able to vote ok and now have to buy something to vote how is that not a tax on my head to vote? If I have to buy an ID or a pencil to mark the ballot, what's the difference if I didn't have to before?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Don't mix a 'RIGHT' with that of a 'PRIVILEGE'

For example, driving is a privilege, so the fee for a license is valid, and that license
is acceptable as identification - however voting is a right, and the right to vote is not
to be substantiated by charging a poll tax, or requiring a qualifacation of material
ownership as the threshold to that right.
Felons have forfited their right to vote, however the right may or can be reinstated upon
completion of paying their debt to society, persuiant to the laws of the state that said
infraction took place, even if that person has moved to another state.

So you would rather encourage voter fraud than to make sure people are not voting twice or that dead people are voting. The cost of picture ID is hardly expensive.

 

[Lucky]

I would propose that for those folks so incredibly poor, if they wish to vote , their respective state should issue them a free voter identification card clearly marked "good for no purpose other than voting" and that expires every 2 years or so. I mean, we all know how those that are completely broke turn out to vote in masses, so I don't think this would be an extraordinarily costly idea to implement.

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: Crimson
We require ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to cash a check, to cash a welfare check, to use food stamps, to get a marriage license, to get on an airplane, to buy a gun, to get into a casino, a bar, a strip club...

Vote early, vote often.. thats what the democrats like...

Wisconsin has legislation pending for voter ID, which will probably be vetoed by the commie governor here.. a democrat.. big surprise.. Democrats are anti-voter ID because the fraud vote is so important to them winning.

Talking out of your a*s again, aren't you? everything you said is a lie. But for republicans, lieing about what Dems do or think is acceptable behavior. No surprise there.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Lucky
I would propose that for those folks so incredibly poor, if they wish to vote , their respective state should issue them a free voter identification card clearly marked "good for no purpose other than voting" and that expires every 2 years or so. I mean, we all know how those that are completely broke turn out to vote in masses, so I don't think this would be an extraordinarily costly idea to implement.

Not a bad solution, but everyone should receive the ID for free. It also should be sufficient for longer than 2 years only re-issued when someone moves to a new address or when Electoral boundaries have changed. I'm not exactly how the Voter ID works here(British Columbia Canada), but I was issued a Voter ID 5ish years ago and it's still good.

The only thing I could see as a potential problem for having an extended card would be counterfeiting, but even that would be a difficult thing to accomplish for Electoral Districts do have Voters Lists which shows who is eligible to vote and who isn't.

 

[Piano Man]

good

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: Crimson
We require ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to cash a check, to cash a welfare check, to use food stamps, to get a marriage license, to get on an airplane, to buy a gun, to get into a casino, a bar, a strip club...

Vote early, vote often.. thats what the democrats like...

Wisconsin has legislation pending for voter ID, which will probably be vetoed by the commie governor here.. a democrat.. big surprise.. Democrats are anti-voter ID because the fraud vote is so important to them winning.

Talking out of your a*s again, aren't you? everything you said is a lie. But for republicans, lieing about what Dems do or think is acceptable behavior. No surprise there.

Wisconsin's Govenor is a Democrat and they do/did have legislation pending. I still try to keep up on Wisc politics a tad since I know a guy who is in the state assembly and I used to live in Wisc. I wonder what became of that....probably swept under the rug like the rest of the "important" and easy stuff

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Don't people have voter registration cards? Can't we just make them photo voter registration cards?

CkG

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

Yeah, instead she should be kissing the majority rich white heiny instead like most politicians.

 

[dahunan]

To anyone who thinks this is a "Good" idea...

Please tell me if you think that people who are in this country illegally should be allowed to vote?

AND...

Please tell me what percentage of registered voters cannot afford or, if free do not have the means, to acquire a LEGAL photo ID??

What is wrong with a national ID card?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan
To anyone who thinks this is a "Good" idea...

Please tell me if you think that people who are in this country illegally should be allowed to vote?

AND...

Please tell me what percentage of registered voters cannot afford or, if free do not have the means, to acquire a LEGAL photo ID??

What is wrong with a national ID card?

I don't know where this idea that people would have to pay for a voting card comes from but I'll comment anyway

Yes voters need to have identification to vote - it prevents fraud.
No, illegals and ALL non-citizens should not have the right to vote.
0%
We already do, it just isn't a photo ID (social security card)

CkG

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Give us your poor, your tired your illegal masses yearning to cast a vote...


She only did this to garner the illegal vote in Arizona. Come 2025 hispanics will be the majority in Arizona. I can hear her kissing latin heiny all the way on the East coast.

Yeah, instead she should be kissing the majority rich legal resident and registered voter white heiny instead like most politicians.

Fixed for you, hope you didn't mind...Actually I don't care if you did mind...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: Crimson
We require ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to cash a check, to cash a welfare check, to use food stamps, to get a marriage license, to get on an airplane, to buy a gun, to get into a casino, a bar, a strip club...

Vote early, vote often.. thats what the democrats like...

Wisconsin has legislation pending for voter ID, which will probably be vetoed by the commie governor here.. a democrat.. big surprise.. Democrats are anti-voter ID because the fraud vote is so important to them winning.

Talking out of your a*s again, aren't you? everything you said is a lie. But for republicans, lieing about what Dems do or think is acceptable behavior. No surprise there.

i'd like to point out the italicized part.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dahunan
And when the Supreme Court steps in and knocks that dumb bitch's ruling on its' ass you all will scream conspiracy...

how is the supreme court going to get involved in this?

 

[dammitgibs]

bump for teh lulz





Seven year old threads just for the hell of it?
Knock it off


esquared
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[Skitzer]

You realize this thread is over 7 years old right?

 

[hal2kilo]

Come 2025 the demographics will have changed greatly nationally, white men should clearly be in the minority by then, should be some interesting politics. Women and minorities will collectively have full power, that does not look good for the GOP.

They obviously have no concept of demographics by their retoric.

 

[Throckmorton]

bump for teh lulz





Seven year old threads just for the hell of it?
Knock it off


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

I think it's interesting to see posts from 7 years ago. Apparently this forum was a lot less extreme and polarized.

 

[BoomerD]

edit...date fail.

Why are people permitted to "necro-bump" threads this old?

They should be locked after a year or two.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I think it's interesting to see posts from 7 years ago. Apparently this forum was a lot less extreme and polarized.

Uh no - it's no different now then it was then.

 

[JSt0rm]

Uh no - it's no different now then it was then.

You just proved his point. :biggrin:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You just proved his point. :biggrin:

Uh no. I was informing him that it was no different now than it was then. How does me telling him that "prove" his point? He's wrong - plain and simple.