'Ark of the Covenant' about to be unveiled?

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Fern
I think it was the History Channel that had been a show on Ethiopia and it's religious history. Quite a lot of interesting ancient churches, some built on mountain tops, others in caves. Anyway, they showed this church which supposedly holds the Ark etc.

I believe there was another seperate show where some Phd's were trying to track down the Ark, IIRC this Ethiopian church was mentioned in that program too.

Too bad we won't get to see it. While I doubt the Ark is there I am curious to see what they've been guarding all these long years.

Fern

They showed it on the program where the professor found it in Ethiopia. It was a large bowl shape and nothing like the Ark in the bible. No gold, no tablets, not even covered.

I don't think this is the Ark described in the bible. I think this is an Ark created by a Ethiopian group with Jewish beginnings that created their own version. I think it is historical and it looked very old, but I don't think it is the one from Jerusalem.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Fern
I think it was the History Channel that had been a show on Ethiopia and it's religious history. Quite a lot of interesting ancient churches, some built on mountain tops, others in caves. Anyway, they showed this church which supposedly holds the Ark etc.

I believe there was another seperate show where some Phd's were trying to track down the Ark, IIRC this Ethiopian church was mentioned in that program too.

Too bad we won't get to see it. While I doubt the Ark is there I am curious to see what they've been guarding all these long years.

Fern

They showed it on the program where the professor found it in Ethiopia. It was a large bowl shape and nothing like the Ark in the bible. No gold, no tablets, not even covered.

I don't think this is the Ark described in the bible. I think this is an Ark created by a Ethiopian group with Jewish beginnings that created their own version. I think it is historical and it looked very old, but I don't think it is the one from Jerusalem.

upi aren't confusing it with the holy grail are you? that has allegedly been found as well.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
just remember, close your eyes.

:laugh:

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Fern
I think it was the History Channel that had been a show on Ethiopia and it's religious history. Quite a lot of interesting ancient churches, some built on mountain tops, others in caves. Anyway, they showed this church which supposedly holds the Ark etc.

I believe there was another seperate show where some Phd's were trying to track down the Ark, IIRC this Ethiopian church was mentioned in that program too.

Too bad we won't get to see it. While I doubt the Ark is there I am curious to see what they've been guarding all these long years.

Fern

They showed it on the program where the professor found it in Ethiopia. It was a large bowl shape and nothing like the Ark in the bible. No gold, no tablets, not even covered.

I don't think this is the Ark described in the bible. I think this is an Ark created by a Ethiopian group with Jewish beginnings that created their own version. I think it is historical and it looked very old, but I don't think it is the one from Jerusalem.

upi aren't confusing it with the holy grail are you? that has allegedly been found as well.

Nope not confusing it.


Not unless they have found another Ark and a different group of people with Jewish decent living in Ethiopia.
The guy even took DNA samples that confirmed they were from Jewish decent.

This is what I was referring to:

On April 14, 2008 a new documentary aired on Channel 4 in the UK, showing Parfitt's search for the lost Ark of the Covenant which was the outcome of many years of research and which was also the subject of his 2008 book The Lost Ark of the Covenant.[2][3]. The search took him to Jerusalem and Zedekiah's Cave, a vast complex of caves underneath the city, to Jordan and Yemen, and then to Egypt and Ethiopia, and later to Zimbabwe. He concluded that the Ark of the Covenant was among other things a drum which had been led out of Jerusalem by Israelites in about 586 BC before the Babylonian invasion. The Israelites first moved east through Jordan and then settled in eastern Yemen in a town called Sena. However, agricultural stagnation caused by the possible breaking of a dam, forced the Israelites to cross over into Africa and they eventually settled in Zimbabwe. Genetic research into the Lemba people who inhabit the area around the Limpopo river shows that many Lemba males have a Y chromosome that is also found among the male descendants of the Jewish priesthood (part of the Levite tribe) in Israel. [4]. Parfitt believes that the drum which always served as some sort of weapon was replaced on numerous occasions as the Israelites travelled and the final incarnation of the drum was eventually found in a museum cupboard at the Museum of Human Sciences Harare, which was shown by carbon dating to hail back to around 1350 AD - one of the oldest wooden objects ever discovered in sub-Saharan Africa.

Parfitt questions the Exodus depiction of the Ark of the Covenant and believes that it could never have been made so elaborately out of gold, given the circumstances in which it was produced. The biblical description of the Ark was written many centuries after the events of the exodus and Parfitt believes that the descriptions owe much to Egyptian art and design which were dominant in Israel during that period. Ancient Rabbinic sources maintain that there were two Arks: the simple one hewn by Moses and the later and more elaborate one, made by Bezalel. According to the rabbis, the golden Ark was kept in the Temple and was only seen by the High Priest. It was only once (and disastrously) taken into battle, when it was captured. This was the simple wooden object made by Moses himself?a wooden container made from acacia wood?which was the Ark of War. It is the descendant of this Ark that Parfitt believes he found in Africa.

However, his conclusions have been challenged by many. He introduced the remnants of a 650-year-old wooden and bowl-shaped war drum of an African tribe as the replica of the lost Ark of the Covenant, in the sense of the wooden container, without mention of the whereabouts of the contents of the Ark, and also made a statement that other Arks may well have existed. Nor did he mention where in Jewish tradition the Ark of the Covenant was ever described to have been used as a war drum - or why the Ark was spherical bowl shaped at its bottom, when it was made to house flat stone tablets as its primary purpose.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It would be cool but I expect the original long destroyed when the Jews were subjugated. It would be interesting to see what they do have.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: techs
Good Lord. Another person posting a WorldNetDaily link.
I guess they found this story while reading up on the best way to kill gay people.

no just assholes.

Anyhow there is about zero chance they have it. They think they do but proving that it even made it there is going to be tough. The geography is wrong.

 

[imported_gardener]

Originally posted by: sapiens74
If its the real deal please let them know its not welcome in our public schools, courts or public display anywhere in the US

How's the search for Noah's ark going? Its a damn shame the flood killed all the dinosaurs.

 

[seemingly random]

Has the planet exploded into chaos with the religious folks' very core being shaken yet?

Seems kinda like the hardon collider causing the planet to evaporate.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: techs
Good Lord. Another person posting a WorldNetDaily link.
I guess they found this story while reading up on the best way to kill gay people.

Lie much?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: HeXploiT

Originally posted by: techs
Good Lord. Another person posting a WorldNetDaily link.
I guess they found this story while reading up on the best way to kill gay people.

Wth? lol

WorldNetDaily is a wacko right wing site. They advocate murdering gays, etc.

WND is consipiracy nut wackjob website that from time to time gets posted here in P&N.
Basically it has less credibilty than the National Enquirer.
Check out there conspiracy theories.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldnetdaily

You put the Lie in liberal.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: techs

WorldNetDaily is a wacko right wing site. They advocate murdering gays, etc.

WND is consipiracy nut wackjob website that from time to time gets posted here in P&N.
Basically it has less credibilty than the National Enquirer.
Check out there conspiracy theories.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldnetdaily

You put the Lie in liberal.

WND is a right wingnut aluminum foil beany site. WND just happens to be an appropriate nickname for that rag because it can be read as a broken spelling of of the word, "wind," and the trash they publish truly does smell like "broken wind." :Q

Remember, grasshopper... The wind, once broken, can never be repaired. :laugh:

You're the one accusing techs of lying. PROVE IT!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: techs

WorldNetDaily is a wacko right wing site. They advocate murdering gays, etc.

WND is consipiracy nut wackjob website that from time to time gets posted here in P&N.
Basically it has less credibilty than the National Enquirer.
Check out there conspiracy theories.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldnetdaily

You put the Lie in liberal.

WND is a right wingnut aluminum foil beany site. WND just happens to be an appropriate nickname for that rag because it can be read as a broken spelling of of the word, "wind," and the trash they publish truly does smell like "broken wind." :Q

Remember, grasshopper... The wind, once broken, can never be repaired. :laugh:

You're the one accusing techs of lying. PROVE IT!

techs is lying, he said the website advocates murdering gays.

Or is that your new standard. Make an outrageous statement, be accused of lying, the accuser must prove it?

Barack Obama is a muslim!
Rahm Emmanuel is taking bribes!
Harvey's song is wonderful!

 

[0marTheZealot]

Does it melt Nazis?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: techs

WorldNetDaily is a wacko right wing site. They advocate murdering gays, etc.

WND is consipiracy nut wackjob website that from time to time gets posted here in P&N.
Basically it has less credibilty than the National Enquirer.
Check out there conspiracy theories.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldnetdaily

You put the Lie in liberal.

WND is a right wingnut aluminum foil beany site. WND just happens to be an appropriate nickname for that rag because it can be read as a broken spelling of of the word, "wind," and the trash they publish truly does smell like "broken wind." :Q

Remember, grasshopper... The wind, once broken, can never be repaired. :laugh:

You're the one accusing techs of lying. PROVE IT!

Techs states that WND (which I know just about nothing) advocates murdering gays. That's quite a statement.

When someone makes an affirmative statement of such a thing, the burden of proof rests on that individual alone.

If they have in fact called for the murder of gays, it's reprehensible.

Let him present the evidence so we can judge.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Does it melt Nazis?

Be a awesome showpiece at the next RNC if so.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hey Techs, I really would like to see the articles WND published calling for the murder of gays. If they have done so I'd like to call them on it. Links?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Hey Techs, I really would like to see the articles WND published calling for the murder of gays. If they have done so I'd like to call them on it. Links?

Bump.

 

[heyheybooboo]

World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

I haven't looked, but I'll take your word for it. I'm just interested in seeing who wants to murder gays at that site. It's a pretty big claim, and although I am suspicious that Techs made it all up, it's possible he didn't. I want to know of we've caught someone lying for his own purposes, or if we have people who hate enough to overtly promote the murder of gays.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

I haven't looked, but I'll take your word for it. I'm just interested in seeing who wants to murder gays at that site. It's a pretty big claim, and although I am suspicious that Techs made it all up, it's possible he didn't. I want to know of we've caught someone lying for his own purposes, or if we have people who hate enough to overtly promote the murder of gays.

"" ..overtly promote the murder of gays "" would be hard to quantify but WND marches lockstep with Pat Robertson and Focus on the Family. They called the gay hate crimes bill the 'Pedophile Protection Act'.

Folks are free to believe what they want to believe but WND is an ugly combination of religion, politics and propaganda - hence the 'Nut' ...

 

[compuwiz1]

So no Ark?

Well at least we got sailboat fuel.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

I haven't looked, but I'll take your word for it. I'm just interested in seeing who wants to murder gays at that site. It's a pretty big claim, and although I am suspicious that Techs made it all up, it's possible he didn't. I want to know of we've caught someone lying for his own purposes, or if we have people who hate enough to overtly promote the murder of gays.

"" ..overtly promote the murder of gays "" would be hard to quantify but WND marches lockstep with Pat Robertson and Focus on the Family. They called the gay hate crimes bill the 'Pedophile Protection Act'.

Folks are free to believe what they want to believe but WND is an ugly combination of religion, politics and propaganda - hence the 'Nut' ...

So you say you can't quantify it. Great. So you make shit up and pass it off as fact. Is that a standard operating procedure of yours. I don't mind if it is your opinion but you say "hard to quantify" BS shows your true colors. That you can't prove it but you're still going to stand by it as fact and that it is not just an opinion. Hate crimes are essentially BS anyhow how do we prove what someone is thinking. Sure some a-holes it doesn't take to much to guess as they cannot stop talking or just proud that they are a psycho...

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

I haven't looked, but I'll take your word for it. I'm just interested in seeing who wants to murder gays at that site. It's a pretty big claim, and although I am suspicious that Techs made it all up, it's possible he didn't. I want to know of we've caught someone lying for his own purposes, or if we have people who hate enough to overtly promote the murder of gays.

"" ..overtly promote the murder of gays "" would be hard to quantify but WND marches lockstep with Pat Robertson and Focus on the Family. They called the gay hate crimes bill the 'Pedophile Protection Act'.

Folks are free to believe what they want to believe but WND is an ugly combination of religion, politics and propaganda - hence the 'Nut' ...

So you say you can't quantify it. Great. So you make shit up and pass it off as fact. Is that a standard operating procedure of yours. I don't mind if it is your opinion but you say "hard to quantify" BS shows your true colors. That you can't prove it but you're still going to stand by it as fact and that it is not just an opinion. Hate crimes are essentially BS anyhow how do we prove what someone is thinking. Sure some a-holes it doesn't take to much to guess as they cannot stop talking or just proud that they are a psycho...

I thought I was following along but now I'm not sure. Are hate crimes bs or not?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

Link?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
World Nut Daily has quite a history of denigrating gays - including the promotion of the idea that Matthew Shepard was killed in the commission of a robbery for drug money - not because he was homosexual.

I haven't looked, but I'll take your word for it. I'm just interested in seeing who wants to murder gays at that site. It's a pretty big claim, and although I am suspicious that Techs made it all up, it's possible he didn't. I want to know of we've caught someone lying for his own purposes, or if we have people who hate enough to overtly promote the murder of gays.

"" ..overtly promote the murder of gays "" would be hard to quantify but WND marches lockstep with Pat Robertson and Focus on the Family. They called the gay hate crimes bill the 'Pedophile Protection Act'.

Folks are free to believe what they want to believe but WND is an ugly combination of religion, politics and propaganda - hence the 'Nut' ...

WTF are you talking about, advocating the murder of gays? WNT and Pat Robertson maybe (don't know anything about them), but Focus on the Family considers homosexuality to be a psychological disorder out of the control of the person.

http://www.truthdig.com/avboot...ntifies_homosexuality/

Consider them misguided and oppressive if you want, but don't claim they've ever acted or promoted violence unless you can link to proof. I'm pretty sure that it isn't out there.

On a side note, demonizing the opposing side using false information is what prevents reasonable discussion. WorldNet and sites like that may be guilty of this, but that should just challenge you to rise above it and be more sound and accessible in your rebuttal.