Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

[urvile]

Can I just add that when martin bryant killed 35 people using an AR-15 in port arthur, tasmania, australia.* The conspiracy theories presented by our own wacky right wing nuts came to the fore. One of them was it was a conspiracy involving the united nations (yes. I am being serious) to disarm australians. Various facts were presented to support it including the supposed inaction of police snipers after bryant took hostages all of whom were executed. One guy had his entire family murdered (wife and two kids)

I read media reports stating that the body count was so high because he had trained himself to take headshots using an AR-15 and a headshot training video. I kid you not. Don't worry though coach will do a few commando rolls and avoid those bullets.....good luck with it.

*Incidentally this was the massacre that resulted in the severe restriction (by a conservative federal government) of gun ownership in australia including the banning of semi automatic rifles.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You mean that one that started under GW Bush right?

Both. Stupid idea. Obama / Holder should never have continued that debacle.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Peterson isn't a distraction. He's a symptom of, what is turning out to be, a thoroughly incompetent sheriff's department. They ignored repeated calls that Cruz was a threat. The deputies that arrived on scene took up positions outside the school behind their cruisers. It took a local police department to actually go in to the school. All the sheriff has done is try to cover his a**. It's not the 'gun culture' that's responsible for this. There was a gun culture 40+ years ago and things like this didn't happen. It's not the 'gun culture' that's to blame, it's the 'culture'. If the sheriff's department / FBI had done their effing job, this could have been avoided.

Heartless people like you don't help. Let's let kids die so that people like you can get what they want.

Would a thoughts and prayers help?

We live in a society where the freedom to purchase weapons is more important than children's lives.
I'm heartless because I don't give a crap about Peterson? He is a distraction. Coward Peterson or Hero Peterson, there still would have been dead kids.
Fill the school with armed hero's. Still dead kids.

As a society we embrace guns. We embrace killing.
You can go to Texas and kill someone over a "thing"

People will trade a few dead kids for the ability to kill people who try and steal a car.

Mass killing AKA going out with a bang and taking people down on the way out is now a "thing" among today's society. Fed by precedent and embrace of gun culture.

Who has the countdown clock for the next school shooting so we can rehash this same bullshit all over again?

 

[Puffnstuff]

My parents are already screaming the gun grabbers are coming, the gun grabbers are coming....all concerned that they will lose the right to keep a gun. What about the right to life those folks forfeited without consent? This is crazy madness and we need regulated ammunition and magazines along with sensible gun regulations to help curtail this. My heart sinks each time I see one of these shootings occur and with the partisanship present in Congress, not to mention lobbyist influences, this will not change anytime soon.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Wow. I have plenty of highly informed gun people, some with military experience, that happen to agree with me on the AR-15. As for not remembering right wing terror incidents, you're also wrong. I made it clear how I was qualifying my statement, because quite frankly the majority of the high-profile shootings of the last several years HAVEN'T been done by righties. Funny how there was no full-court press against the NRA when the whackjob Bernie supporter shot up the Republican Congressional softball practice, nearly killing a congressman. Seems to me it's your refusal to acknowledge RECENT history that's the real problem.

Don't worry, no one is going to confuse you with a informed person on guns, not if you insist on posting such utter horseshit.

We issue M4s to the military, so close in design and function to an AR-15 that you'd have to be some pedantic asshat to think product designation overrides the nearly identical function and performance of the two.

But then, you're the guy who thinks right wing terror only counts if you remember it, so I guess this kind of figures. Sad. Go find another qualifier moron.

 

[Maxima1]

Wow. I have plenty of highly informed gun people, some with military experience, that happen to agree with me on the AR-15. As for not remembering right wing terror incidents, you're also wrong. I made it clear how I was qualifying my statement, because quite frankly the majority of the high-profile shootings of the last several years HAVEN'T been done by righties. Funny how there was no full-court press against the NRA when the whackjob Bernie supporter shot up the Republican Congressional softball practice, nearly killing a congressman. Seems to me it's your refusal to acknowledge RECENT history that's the real problem.

Huh? The AR-15 IS basically identical.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-the-us-military-is-replacing-the-m16-2015-10

"But today, three-round burst is not really necessary. Current training emphasizes semi-automatic fire in most situations, so the impetus behind the burst function is moot. The cam system also gives the M16A4 a sloppy, inconsistent trigger pull even while in semi-auto mode."

https://www.military.com/kitup/2011/12/full-auto-battlefield-necessity.html

"Even if the Army does nothing more to improve the M4, the service should be applauded for its decision to dump the three-round burst setting. It's ineffective, never used and hinders accuracy with its inconsistent trigger pull.

But switching to a full-auto setting does raise an interesting question -- does the infantry need full auto when most battle-seasoned veterans -- including special operators -- agree that semi-auto fire is highly effective for suppressing the enemy?"

 

[pauldun170]

Peterson's lawyer

But, in a statement, DiRuzzo said that Israel's statement "is, at best, gross over-simplification" of what happened when a shooter killed 17 people at the Florida school.
Peterson initially ran toward the 1200 building where the shooting took place, and then he "heard gunshots but believed that those gunshots were originating from outside of any of the buildings on the school campus," according to DiRuzzo.

The Broward County Sheriff's Office, or BSO, "trains its officers that in the event of outdoor gunfire one is to seek cover and assess the situation in order to communicate what one observes to other law enforcement," DiRuzzo said.
Peterson acted consistent with his training and "took up a tactical position between the 700-800 buildings corridor/corner," Peterson said. He was the first officer to advise dispatch that he heard shots fired, and he initiated a "Code Red" to lock down the campus, according to the statement.
"Radio transmissions indicated that there was a gunshot victim in the area of the football field," which served to confirm Mr. Peterson's belief "that the shooter, or shooters, were outside," according to DiRuzzo's statement.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/us/p...esource-officer-attorney-statement/index.html

Radio transmissions indicated there was a gunshot victim in the area of the football field, "which served to confirm Mr. Peterson's belief that the shooter, or shooters, were outside," DiRuzzo says.

DiRuzzo says Peterson was the first Broward Sheriff's officer to advise the sheriff's dispatch that he heard shots fired, that he initiated a "Code Red" to lock down the campus, and directed school administrators to look at closed-circuit cameras to find the shooter and obtain a description for law enforcement.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer...l-officer-in-parkland-fla-shooting-unfounded/

 

[Svnla]

Now the cop that stayed outside speaks (via his lawyer) and says he thought the gunfight was outside the school -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-resolute-enter-school-shooting-045640708.html

 

[bshole]

Now the cop that stayed outside speaks (via his lawyer) and says he thought the gunfight was outside the school -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-resolute-enter-school-shooting-045640708.html

I would respect him more if just said he was scared shitless. These kind of lies aren't fooling anybody.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Now the cop that stayed outside speaks (via his lawyer) and says he thought the gunfight was outside the school -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-resolute-enter-school-shooting-045640708.html

The whole clusterfvck of governmental response is going to be investigated by the Florida Attorney General.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/florida-attorney-general-speaks-to-cbsn-about-investigation/

Good luck on wringing even a smidgen of truth from those losers.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You links stated the main difference. The M4 is essentially a M16 carbine, which is still capable of full automatic fire. The AR15 (unless you do some seriously illegal stuff to it) is semi-auto only. Yeah, I get the bump-stock thing; but even (based on some google searches) indicated that the NRA was softening on its defense of those.

You can trick out other rifles to look like they're 'tactical'; even the ubiquitous Ruger 10-22.

And I do agree with the last bit that the 3 round burst seems pretty useless and yes, the spec ops troops do indeed claim that semi-auto is very effective.

I stand behind what I said in a prior post, it's our 'culture' in general that's changed. The AR15 platform has been around for decades. Kids that I went to school with had guns in their trucks and talked hunting and trapping with teachers. As part of gym class in 10th grade, all the boys took a hunter safety class taught by the county game warden. And no, I'm not some 80 year old

The other thing that has to happen (and I've said this before) is that we have to figure out how to better identify people who have mental/emotional/behavioral issues and deweaponize them. The situation with Cruz points out a colossal failure of local and federal law enforcement in identifying Cruz as a probable serious risk. Sheriff Israel and some of the deputies should be fired for how this was handled.

Huh? The AR-15 IS basically identical.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-the-us-military-is-replacing-the-m16-2015-10

"But today, three-round burst is not really necessary. Current training emphasizes semi-automatic fire in most situations, so the impetus behind the burst function is moot. The cam system also gives the M16A4 a sloppy, inconsistent trigger pull even while in semi-auto mode."

https://www.military.com/kitup/2011/12/full-auto-battlefield-necessity.html

"Even if the Army does nothing more to improve the M4, the service should be applauded for its decision to dump the three-round burst setting. It's ineffective, never used and hinders accuracy with its inconsistent trigger pull.

But switching to a full-auto setting does raise an interesting question -- does the infantry need full auto when most battle-seasoned veterans -- including special operators -- agree that semi-auto fire is highly effective for suppressing the enemy?"

 

[soundforbjt]

You links stated the main difference. The M4 is essentially a M16 carbine, which is still capable of full automatic fire. The AR15 (unless you do some seriously illegal stuff to it) is semi-auto only. Yeah, I get the bump-stock thing; but even (based on some google searches) indicated that the NRA was softening on its defense of those.

You can trick out other rifles to look like they're 'tactical'; even the ubiquitous Ruger 10-22.

And I do agree with the last bit that the 3 round burst seems pretty useless and yes, the spec ops troops do indeed claim that semi-auto is very effective.

I stand behind what I said in a prior post, it's our 'culture' in general that's changed. The AR15 platform has been around for decades. Kids that I went to school with had guns in their trucks and talked hunting and trapping with teachers. As part of gym class in 10th grade, all the boys took a hunter safety class taught by the county game warden. And no, I'm not some 80 year old

The other thing that has to happen (and I've said this before) is that we have to figure out how to better identify people who have mental/emotional/behavioral issues and deweaponize them. The situation with Cruz points out a colossal failure of local and federal law enforcement in identifying Cruz as a probable serious risk. Sheriff Israel and some of the deputies should be fired for how this was handled.

Why not the local police are well? They also failed.

 

[umbrella39]

It is almost comical watching the right wing nuts who have finally found a cop they can hate SIMPLY because he is a Democrat. It’s nice to know that to the GOP only Republican cops get respect and only when they are pandering for their votes... It is actually quite alarming reading the idiots on the Internet and even here who have chosen to parrot the go after the Liberal Cop angle...

 

[urvile]

The situation with Cruz points out a colossal failure of local and federal law enforcement in identifying Cruz as a probable serious risk. Sheriff Israel and some of the deputies should be fired for how this was handled.

Everything is easy in hindsight. I would like to see an analysis of mass shootings going back say 40 years. With the objective of determining how many of the shooters were identified as a threat prior to the massacre they carried out. Then we can generate some statistics, try and identify patterns of behaviour, weapon(s) used, how the weapon(s) and ammunition were obtained etc. Anyway. Enjoy. )

 

[Fern]

I would respect him more if just said he was scared shitless. These kind of lies aren't fooling anybody.

I'd like to see some video.

Wasn't the school's alarm pulled?

Were kids running out of the building screaming about a shooter inside?

If you thought the shooter was outside and shooting into the building, why not go into the building to at least ascertain from which direction the shots were entering the building? I think that info would help determine where the shots originated from, and thus where the shooter was located.

I could be wrong, but sounds to me like he simply froze.

Fern

 

[rise]

I'm going to get my gunnnzzz, put on the application:
Naturally talented in all firearm classes
Not kind
Not afraid of 4' putts
Pro swift retribution to prevent past events

I'm good I think.

 

[Darwin333]

Oh, please. That's more than one kind of bullshit. It's that moment every cop dreads- where you have to do or die to maintain your honor. He did neither. Doesn't mean he should lose his pension.

Maintain his honor??? He was in a position in which he was expected to do his job. Preventing or stopping a situation like this, albeit this is the worst possible situation, is one of the very reasons he was there. Seeing as how the police are becoming more of a paramilitary organization by the day, it isn't out of line to mention that what he did would be a court-martial offense in the military punishable with actual jail time.

I get that people get scared but if they are going to cower outside when we need them the most then maybe they don't deserve all of the protections they are afforded when they fuck up.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'd like to see some video.

Wasn't the school's alarm pulled?

Were kids running out of the building screaming about a shooter inside?

If you thought the shooter was outside and shooting into the building, why not go into the building to at least ascertain from which direction the shots were entering the building? I think that info would help determine where the shots originated from, and thus where the shooter was located.

I could be wrong, but sounds to me like he simply froze.

Fern

If the information is correct the fire alarm was going off in the building and that's where the gunshots were coming from. It's also the place the coach rode his golf cart to and entered the building.

 

[senseamp]

School cop is a job, not a military enlistment. Ultimately it's X risk of death vs Y dollars of income forfeited by being fired. Most people will not play Russian roulette for any money in the world.

 

[cytg111]

Everything is easy in hindsight. I would like to see an analysis of mass shootings going back say 40 years. With the objective of determining how many of the shooters were identified as a threat prior to the massacre they carried out. Then we can generate some statistics, try and identify patterns of behaviour, weapon(s) used, how the weapon(s) and ammunition were obtained etc. Anyway. Enjoy. )

Information and common sense ... yea that is not gonna fly - it's just not part of the Image were are trying to sell here. /s.

 

[FIVR]

School cop is a job, not a military enlistment. Ultimately it's X risk of death vs Y dollars of income forfeited by being fired. Most people will not play Russian roulette for any money in the world.

The whole idea of putting police in schools was a "conservative" solution to school shooters. We should fire every last one of them unless they sign a contract mandating that they immediately confront any active shooter regardless of the circumstances with criminal penalties if they don't. Otherwise, what are they even there for?


From what I've seen these school officers spend most of their time body-slamming teenage black girls. I've seriously seen like 10 videos of them doing that. # of school shooters stopped: 0

 

[HomerJS]

It is almost comical watching the right wing nuts who have finally found a cop they can hate SIMPLY because he is a Democrat. It’s nice to know that to the GOP only Republican cops get respect and only when they are pandering for their votes... It is actually quite alarming reading the idiots on the Internet and even here who have chosen to parrot the go after the Liberal Cop angle...

If anyone thinks this cop is solely responsible they are kidding themselves. Trump, Ric Scott and the rest of the Republicans will try to pin this all on him to absolve themselves from taking any action.

 

[fskimospy]

The whole idea of putting police in schools was a "conservative" solution to school shooters. We should fire every last one of them unless they sign a contract mandating that they immediately confront any active shooter regardless of the circumstances with criminal penalties if they don't. Otherwise, what are they even there for?


From what I've seen these school officers spend most of their time body-slamming teenage black girls. I've seriously seen like 10 videos of them doing that. # of school shooters stopped: 0

It is interesting and entirely predictable that the conservative response to prior school shootings was ‘we need someone there with a gun!’. When that turns out to be ineffective the answer is not to rethink their premise, the answer is apparently ‘we need EVEN MORE people with guns!’

I’m still looking for a time in which conservatives say fewer guns was the answer. Just one.

 

[Jaskalas]

My parents are already screaming the gun grabbers are coming, the gun grabbers are coming....all concerned that they will lose the right to keep a gun. What about the right to life those folks forfeited without consent?

They are afraid, and feel their right to life can only be secured by them owning a gun to protect themselves with. Don't you see that?

 

[Darwin333]

committee rule

Now the cop that stayed outside speaks (via his lawyer) and says he thought the gunfight was outside the school -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-resolute-enter-school-shooting-045640708.html

Of course he is going to say something like that. He will say virtually anything at this point now that he is known nationally as a coward.