Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

[brainhulk]

Its a fate worse than death, dude will probably off himself in the end anyway. I know I wouldn't be able to live with my self, if my job was to protect and serve and I didn't when duty called. Isn't that a crime in the military?

Dude could of at least peaked around a corner popped a couple shots and ran hoping the shooter would be scared off.

That's why we should arm school police officers with better weapons. Like a fully automatic AR-10 with dot sight, a desert eagle, a couple of flash bangs, full body kevlar, and a AWP.

The terrorists won't stand a chance

 

[skull]

That's why we should arm school police officers with better weapons. Like a fully automatic AR-10 with dot sight, a desert eagle, a couple of flash bangs, full body kevlar, and a AWP.

The terrorists won't stand a chance

You don't need all that when you facing a coward shooting unarmed people. Pussies that shoot unarmed people arnen't looking for a fight, you got the element of surprise, hand guns kills just as well at close range if you know how to shoot.

 

[kage69]

That's why we should arm school police officers with better weapons. Like a fully automatic AR-10 with dot sight, a desert eagle, a couple of flash bangs, full body kevlar, and a AWP.

The terrorists won't stand a chance

An Arctic Warfare Pagnum?

 

[brainhulk]

An Arctic Warfare Pagnum?

Oh woops, it's called a AWM now. It used to be called AWP iirc

 

[IJTSSG]

1. The fact is none of us really know how we would react to these situations until we are put to the test. Will we run toward the gunfire, into the burning building, etc? Unless you've been there, done that, I wouldn't judge this guy too harshly. Obviously, this guys in the wrong profession and he's going to his grave wondering if he could've made a difference.

2. This also gets to the crux of why many people own and carry a firearm. We simply aren't willing to rely on someone else to protect us. We understand it takes time for help to arrive and lots can happen in that time. We've decided that we are going to be proactive in the protection of our families and ourselves. 99.999% of us will never do anything illegal with our firearms. The incomplete CDC study commissioned during the Obama administration needs to be completed but it shows that crimes prevented by a gun are about double all gun deaths, including suicides.

3. I'm not a fan of forcing teachers to carry guns. If we want armed guards in our schools then we should pony up for it. I know schools are already underfunded. If a teacher wants to carry a gun in school then I think we should make sure they have training and have a good way to secure it if it's not being carried. I've read that there's quite a few teachers in Utah who are (legally) armed in the classroom but the school is not allowed to ask them if they are carrying. I think parents have the right to know if there's a gun in their children's classroom.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Then how do you explain the assistant football coach that used his body to shield kids, thereby sacrificing his life to save others. How do you explain the JROTC kid that held the door to help get others to safety, who sacrificed his life. How do you explain the 2 (?) other JROTC kids that got a group of kids set up behind Kevlar blankets and grabbed the only thing they could get their hands on - a fire extinguisher and a 2x4 - to defend their classmates. Except for the possibility of the coach (as I don't know if he ever served in combat), none of the ones who stepped up to defend the kids were combat hardened.

Go back and re-read some of the the cop related threads. Many on here were pretty merciless wrt expectations on what cops were supposed to be able to do under stressful circumstances.

This cop is gonna have to live with his inaction for the rest of his life.

Actually, yeah, I'd say the same for anyone unless they've been combat hardened.

Your hero fantasies are just that, fantasy.

 

[brainhulk]

1. The fact is none of us really know how we would react to these situations until we are put to the test. Will we run toward the gunfire, into the burning building, etc? Unless you've been there, done that, I wouldn't judge this guy too harshly. Obviously, this guys in the wrong profession and he's going to his grave wondering if he could've made a difference.

Maybe we should employ our combat veterans from the USMC and US Army as school security. I am sure they won't hesitate to get into the fight.

 

[IJTSSG]

Then how do you explain the assistant football coach that used his body to shield kids, thereby sacrificing his life to save others. How do you explain the JROTC kid that held the door to help get others to safety, who sacrificed his life. How do you explain the 2 (?) other JROTC kids that got a group of kids set up behind Kevlar blankets and grabbed the only thing they could get their hands on - a fire extinguisher and a 2x4 - to defend their classmates. Except for the possibility of the coach (as I don't know if he ever served in combat), none of the ones who stepped up to defend the kids were combat hardened.

Go back and re-read some of the the cop related threads. Many on here were pretty merciless wrt expectations on what cops were supposed to be able to do under stressful circumstances.

This cop is gonna have to live with his inaction for the rest of his life.

I don't have to explain anything and I don't have to go read anything. Some people will rise to the occasion, some people will not. My last sentence in the first paragraph agrees with your conclusion. He will have to live with this forever. I am in no way defending his lack of action.

 

[Thebobo]

That Sheriff is an asshole, he is in an elected office and as such he acted just like a politician, blame someone else because he wants to be reelected.

As for the "guard," I am no expert but when have they ever taught you to go willy nilly running into a building by yourself where you have no clue how many or where the shooters are. One person vs unknown?

Don't they tell you to wait for backup in cases like this?

 

[Atreus21]

Guy should be ashamed of himself. How do you call this anything other than cowardice?

You have a gun, you hear gunshots and screams, you know kids are being murdered. And, as one of the few armed people in the place, you don't try to intervene.

God help this guy.

 

[Atreus21]

The shooting should never occur in the first place!

Neither should murders in general. Or rape. Or theft.

But they do.

 

[Thebobo]

Guy should be ashamed of himself. How do you call this anything other than cowardice?

You have a gun, you hear gunshots and screams, you know kids are being murdered. And, as one of the few armed people in the place, you don't try to intervene.

God help this guy.

When do they tell you to run into a building without back up?

 

[pauldun170]

From the comments

• 15 minutes ago

I hate to be the devil's advocate here, but:
the MFF/active shooter trainings that I attended
said that if you are the 1st unit you wait for 2 preferably 3 other units
and then go in back-to-back, covering the 4 points of the compass (N,E,S,W) to provide 360 degree coverage
and then, GO IN the building in that configuration to locate and engage the shooter.

so, waiting initially is not necessarily incorrect
(NOT sticking up for this guy)
BUT, at some point he should have gone IN (and he didn't)
but the above is what the training I received said to do;
wait till you can form a 4-man team, then GO IN (and hunt down the shooter).

https://www.local10.com/news/parkla...puty-who-failed-to-act-during-school-shooting

 

[Atreus21]

When do they tell you to run into a building without back up?

I've no idea. If you hear children getting shot, and you have a gun, do you feel obligated to try to stop the shooter?

 

[brycejones]

I've no idea. If you hear children getting shot, and you have a gun, do you feel obligated to try to stop the shooter?

What is departmental policy?

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think that one of the issues with this that really irks me is that cops have historically abused kids at school but this time a genuine threat was present that a cop ran away from.

 

[Timorous]

I've no idea. If you hear children getting shot, and you have a gun, do you feel obligated to try to stop the shooter?

Not according to the supreme court who have ruled that police do not have a constitutional duty to protect someone.

 

[momeNt]

The argument that this is a point against allowing teachers their 2A rights unrestricted is ridiculous at best. Teachers wouldn't have to be tasked with pursuing and confronting. Teachers and students are the ones being hunted in this scenario, this is just allowing the teachers to defend themselves. The teacher can still shelter the students and when the shooter comes up to the window, instead of barricading it with their body and sacrificing themselves while the students climb out the window, like the holocaust survivor did in Virginia Tech, they can shoot back.

 

[Thebobo]

I'm just saying the poor fool is there by himself probably no body armor with a crappy 9mm and he has no idea how many shooters there are and where they are and you expect him to go charging into a building. That's a bunch of TV malarkey.

But of course the aashole elected sherrif has to blames someone not him of course. He needs to worry about getting elected.

 

[justoh]

If he's to wait for backup, then there's not really much of a point to having him there. Should have been his duty to go in, but it was at least within his discretion.

 

[skull]

I'm just saying the poor fool is there by himself probably no body armor with a crappy 9mm and he has no idea how many shooters there are and where they are and you expect him to go charging into a building. That's a bunch of TV malarkey.

But of course the aashole elected sherrif has to blames someone not him of course. He needs to worry about getting elected.

No ones that stupid to rush in by yourself. Crack a door open, peak around a corner this ain't rambo, you get down, move slow and hopefully you peak out when the shooter is not looking your direction and take aim, if not take cover fast and try something else.

I owned a police issue 9mm at one point its not junk 16 rounds and can reliably hit the center of a target at 10 yards. Sure your aim won't be that great under pressure but if you miss you can atleast hope the pussy runs with bullets whizzing by him. Whens the last time one of these guys engaged with police. Seems to me they run or off themselves instead. They go to a school and not a police station for a reason they are mentally ill pussies they are not looking for a challenge.

 

[Phokus]

So the good guy with a gun did nothing.

The problem is, the other guy with the gun was a psychopath with murderous intent. I can't 100% blame this guy and this is the reason why arming more people isn't the answer.

 

[yllus]

He had to make the call within a 6 minute time span to pull out a lethal weapon and get ready to kill one or more intruders with what sounds like automatic or semi-automatic weapons, while avoiding accidentally shooting the hundreds of innocents in the area. That's a hell of a thing to get your mind and body ready for.

 

[brandonbull]

Conservative ideas are like anti-matter, they annihilate when coming in contact with the real world.

That's funny coming from bubble world.

 

[senseamp]

Cops today are trained to do absolutely everything, including killing, to avoid even the slightest risk to their lives.