Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I'm just saying the poor fool is there by himself probably no body armor with a crappy 9mm and he has no idea how many shooters there are and where they are and you expect him to go charging into a building. That's a bunch of TV malarkey.

But of course the aashole elected sherrif has to blames someone not him of course. He needs to worry about getting elected.

He's a scapegoat and righties and gun nutters love'em some scapegoats!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Must piss you off that I support giving the kids and teachers a fighting chance at least instead of just letting them be slaughtered.

actually you support chaos and the more probable chance of vastly increasing the body count by arming teachers, when it is shown that those charged with these duties tend to actually suck when they are needed, and pros (cops) have an 18% hit rate on their targets in actual gun fights.

But yeah, let's arm teachers. Because that's what idiots would do.
 

Thebobo

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Jun 19, 2006
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actually you support chaos and the more probable chance of vastly increasing the body count by arming teachers, when it is shown that those charged with these duties tend to actually suck when they are needed, and pros (cops) have an 18% hit rate on their targets in actual gun fights.

But yeah, let's arm teachers. Because that's what idiots would do.

Hmm think you have a new catch phrase there, like what would Jesus do?

What would idiots do?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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I'm not buying the notion that he doesn't have to be a "hero." This isn't about being a hero. It's about doing your job. If you sign on for a job to be an armed police officer on a high school campus, it is your job to protect those kids. If you aren't prepared to take that risk, don't take the job. It's no excuse to say that he never expected it to happen when he took the job.

I think those who are defending him are trying to look at it through their own eyes, thinking about what they would or wouldn't do. But that isn't relevant unless you also happen to be a police officer. As an ordinary citizen, it isn't your job to take the risk.
 
Nov 29, 2006
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Maybe we should employ our combat veterans from the USMC and US Army as school security. I am sure they won't hesitate to get into the fight.

I'm sure there are other ways to curb gun violence without having to resort to armed military roaming our schools.
 

pauldun170

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I'm curious as to what training the officer had, how often he had to certify and what the training instructed him to do in an active shooter situation.
 
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pauldun170

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Tell that to the parents of slain teens who paid for this guy to be there protecting their kids.
Sure. Face to face or will a phone call do?
Do I initiate the conversation or should I wait for them to bring it up?
How do you want your internet forum conversation to play out?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Tell that to the parents of slain teens who paid for this guy to be there protecting their kids.

Ok. I'm not sure how that would help bring back their dead kids but if it makes them feel better to think this one guy could have stopped the shooter, I'll tell them whatever they want.
 
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Ok. I'm not sure how that would help bring back their dead kids but if it makes them feel better to think this one guy could have stopped the shooter, I'll tell them whatever they want.

How do you know he couldn't have stopped the shooter? He didn't even try. You talk in absolutes like you know wtf you are talking about.
 

IJTSSG

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So much for the "good guy with a gun" argument.
No, silly, it's not. Lot s of good data out there that puts a conservative estimate of crimes prevented with a gun at about twice the rate of gun deaths (number includes suicides).
 
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Sure. Face to face or will a phone call do?
Do I initiate the conversation or should I wait for them to bring it up?
How do you want your internet forum conversation to play out?

However you feel you want to do it is fine. You go tell them that this man was not a coward for hiding and not doing his paid job while your child was being slaugthered. Im sure your feelz for the coward will go over very well with them.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Ok. I'm not sure how that would help bring back their dead kids but if it makes them feel better to think this one guy could have stopped the shooter, I'll tell them whatever they want.

Its funny that as soon as I posted this, one of the kids from the school was on tv and she said its pointless to pick on the officer as it doesn't change anything and it ignores the bigger issue. She also acknowledged other failures that occurred but again said the focus should be how to prevent future acts of violence from happening.

Its amazing how smart these kids are compared to some of the posters here.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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How do you know he couldn't have stopped the shooter? He didn't even try. You talk in absolutes like you know wtf you are talking about.

Is reading difficult for you? Do you have trouble understanding what words mean when they are used in conjunction with other words? Or do you like to pretend people say things for you to get upset about?

Let me know so I can figure out how to better communicate with you because clearly you didn't get the point of my post.
 

pauldun170

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However you feel you want to do it is fine. You go tell them that this man was not a coward for hiding and not doing his paid job while your child was being slaugthered. Im sure your feelz for the coward will go over very well with them.

Why would I tell them he is not a coward? Never said anything about the man himself.
Are you rushing to judgement over my statement that I don't feel right about attacking the guy?
 

UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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More bad news for Scott Peterson (school resource officer)--seems at least one of the 17 warning calls about Cruz to the Sheriff's office was forwarded to the school resource officer for follow-up in 2016...not sure if Peterson initiated any investigation.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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I'd bet that if the posters in this forum would've had children slaughtered at that school they'd have a different opinion of things right now.
 
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Maxima1

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Its funny that as soon as I posted this, one of the kids from the school was on tv and she said its pointless to pick on the officer as it doesn't change anything and it ignores the bigger issue. She also acknowledged other failures that occurred but again said the focus should be how to prevent future acts of violence from happening.

Its amazing how smart these kids are compared to some of the posters here.

The officer was near the school. The shooting lasted about six minutes from what I read. You can acknowledge that the officer could have made a difference while noting that the bigger issue is guns with detachable magazines and the relative ease of obtaining one.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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The officer was near the school. The shooting lasted about six minutes from what I read. You can acknowledge that the officer could have made a difference while noting that the bigger issue is guns with detachable magazines and the relative ease of obtaining one.

Of course he could have made a difference, he also could have been added to the body count or he could have added additional kids to the body count.

Lots of hypotheticals, none bring back any of the dead. If it makes you feel better to take your anger out on this guy then knock yourself out. I won't fault anyone for not being a hero in such a situation but that's because I understand human nature and how fight or flight response takes over and how there is little guarantee to force one or the other to take over in people.
 

pauldun170

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I'd bet that if the posters in this forum would've had children slaughtered at that school they'd have a different opinion of things right now.

Let's say he did rush in and take out the shooter resulting in only 5 kids dead.
What difference will it make to those parents if the guy rushed in?
Armed guard who took action has reduced the body count.
Trouble is that there is still a body count on school grounds.
 

Maxima1

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Of course he could have made a difference, he also could have been added to the body count or he could have added additional kids to the body count.

Come on now. How many friendly fire incidents have we had with officers engaging with school shooters? It's far more likely that the shooter offs himself or does less damage if engaged.

Lots of hypotheticals, none bring back any of the dead. If it makes you feel better to take your anger out on this guy then knock yourself out. I won't fault anyone for not being a hero in such a situation but that's because I understand human nature and how fight or flight response takes over and how there is little guarantee to force one or the other to take over in people.

So do you say the same of military, firefighters, and cops in general? This is just stupid. It was his job. He had no intention of honoring it despite him getting a paycheck for it. It was a gravy train to him.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Come on now. How many friendly fire incidents have we had with officers engaging with school shooters? It's far more likely that the shooter offs himself or does less damage if engaged.
Officers. Trained police officers, not Ms. Marple the math teacher. Knowing how and when to engage goes a long way toward protecting bystanders, and it's something you're *TRAINED* for.

For what this is worth, you may as well just give all the kids firearms. Why bother waiting for the teachers to find theirs?

EDIT: And nevermind the fact that by the time the police arrive, you've had enough time past for the school to mostly clear out. We're talking about a 60s or less time from first shot to engagement. There'd be a lot more bodies moving around and a lot more chaos. Friendly fire incidents are very, very likely in that scenario.
 
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I feel bad for this guy, he panicked and locked up. Just like I bet nearly everyone on the forum would have. This will follow the guy forever.
 
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