Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

[Phynaz]

I can't believe people would defend this coward. Job definition is protect and serve. He willfully neglected his duty. Fortunately he will go to prison for his negligence.

For all those defending him, you will be this understanding when the police refuse to protect YOU, right??

 

[Phynaz]

I feel bad for this guy, he panicked and locked up. Just like I bet nearly everyone on the forum would have. This will follow the guy forever.

Nearly everyone on this forum isn't trained law enforcement.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nearly everyone on this forum isn't trained law enforcement.

Wrong by reading the posts I know are most around AT are multi trained and highly qualified:
Scientists
Engineers
Lawyers
Accountants
Investment experts
Real Estate experts
Real high IQ
Best negociators
Expert marksmen
International trade experts
Constitutional scholars

Plus a whole bunch of other stuff. I've never met so many highly skilled individuals in my life.

 

[Maxima1]

Officers. Trained police officers, not Ms. Marple the math teacher. Knowing how and when to engage goes a long way toward protecting bystanders, and it's something you're *TRAINED* for.

For what this is worth, you may as well just give all the kids firearms. Why bother waiting for the teachers to find theirs?

My quote was in reference to the officer. Anyway, the same applies to concealed carry. Data shows they are more likely to prevent damage than cause more via friendly fire. The Ms. Marple teacher thing is just a silly thing to add to the discussion. In addition, if teachers are armed, it will likely prevent some broken people from even trying to shoot up the school, since the number of armed staff is unknown and they wouldn't want to end up like Hoffman (one reason why so many off themselves when they sense an officer nearby).

 

[Phynaz]

Wrong by reading the posts I know are most around AT are multi trained and highly qualified:
Scientists
Engineers
Lawyers
Accountants
Investment experts
Real Estate experts
Real high IQ
Best negociators
Expert marksmen
International trade experts
Constitutional scholars

Plus a whole bunch of other stuff. I've never met so many highly skilled individuals in my life.

You forgot they all make six figure incomes.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You forgot they all make six figure incomes.

What you don’t make six figures?

 

[pmv]

I find myself unable to decide what I think about this particular issue.

Quite likely him going charging in would not have accomplished anything, with at least as high a chance of him getting shot or shooting an innocent student as of killing the perpetrator. But something about the combination of this lack of action with all those cases where cops have shot someone unnecessarily out of a panicked misjugdement at the fear that there might be danger to themselves really doesn't sit well.

I think its the difference between passing judgement on this guy as an individual, and doing so on cops in general. Considered as an individual I think 'who am I to judge?' but considered as a representative of 'the police' it seems to suggest that cops are prepared to risk innocent people's lives in order to protect their own, but not the reverse.

 

[pmv]

What you don’t make six figures?

I do, but only if you count leading zeros.

 

[ivwshane]

Come on now. How many friendly fire incidents have we had with officers engaging with school shooters? It's far more likely that the shooter offs himself or does less damage if engaged.



So do you say the same of military, firefighters, and cops in general? This is just stupid. It was his job. He had no intention of honoring it despite him getting a paycheck for it. It was a gravy train to him.

Link it up, surely you have the data to back up your assertions.

And yes, I do say the same for people in the military, firefighters and cops.

You live in a fantasy world where you think a badge, a gun, or both means you are a hero.

 

[Bird222]

So gun grabbers say 'you don't need a gun let the police handle it', but then you have folks like this guy. I say I'm ultimately responsible for my life and I should have the right to protect it as I see fit (within certain limits of course). Nobody is going to be more vested in you than you.

 

[soulcougher73]

Is reading difficult for you? Do you have trouble understanding what words mean when they are used in conjunction with other words? Or do you like to pretend people say things for you to get upset about?

Let me know so I can figure out how to better communicate with you because clearly you didn't get the point of my post.

Your post came off condescending to the parents that you feel this guy couldn't have done a damn thing they paid him to do, but you'll lie to them to make them feel better. They have every right to question this guys actions, or non actions in this case and call him a coward for it. Your post shows that you already made up your mind this guy couldnt do anything, and if thats the case you should question why they paid for him to be there in the first place.

 

[soulcougher73]

Let's say he did rush in and take out the shooter resulting in only 5 kids dead.
What difference will it make to those parents if the guy rushed in?
Armed guard who took action has reduced the body count.
Trouble is that there is still a body count on school grounds.

The bolded is true, but wouldnt you rather see 5, then 15 because someone who was paid to protect..protected?

 

[soulcougher73]

I feel bad for this guy, he panicked and locked up. Just like I bet nearly everyone on the forum would have. This will follow the guy forever.

I would probably have done what he did as well. But i'm also smart enough not to take a job where that is part of my responsibilities when i'm not trained. He deserves the words that are coming his way and people have a right to be upset about it.

 

[uallas5]

According to reports, Peterson had been assigned to the school for 5 years. Therefore Cruz KNEW there was at least one armed person he would likely encounter. Kinda puts a big hole in the whole "these things won't happen if the crazies think the teachers might be armed." This kid KNEW there was armed, trained, experienced law enforcement on campus, yet did it anyway.

 

[soulcougher73]

You live in a fantasy world where you think a badge, a gun, or both means you are a hero.

I don't think it makes you a hero by default. Your actions do. His were not the actions of a hero. But unlike you, i'm willing to call him out on his lack of heroism and feels he deserves all the scorn he can get, instead of worrying how he feels.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Ummm, I was replying to ivwshane's post. But thank you for agreeing with my conclusion.

I don't have to explain anything and I don't have to go read anything. Some people will rise to the occasion, some people will not. My last sentence in the first paragraph agrees with your conclusion. He will have to live with this forever. I am in no way defending his lack of action.

 

[brycejones]

I can't believe people would defend this coward. Job definition is protect and serve. He willfully neglected his duty. Fortunately he will go to prison for his negligence.

For all those defending him, you will be this understanding when the police refuse to protect YOU, right??

Source?

 

[Thebobo]

Let's say he did rush in and take out the shooter resulting in only 5 kids dead.
What difference will it make to those parents if the guy rushed in?
Armed guard who took action has reduced the body count.
Trouble is that there is still a body count on school grounds.

Exactly solution -reasonable - gun control like band weapons of war to start off with.

 

[Thebobo]

So gun grabbers say 'you don't need a gun let the police handle it', but then you have folks like this guy. I say I'm ultimately responsible for my life and I should have the right to protect it as I see fit (within certain limits of course). Nobody is going to be more vested in you than you.

Nope us GUN GRABBERS say grab guns!

 

[FerrelGeek]

Conservative ideas are like anti-matter, they annihilate when coming in contact with the real world.

Well your ideas are inert and don't react with anything. For anti-matter, matter is the 'anti-matter' and blows everything up. The vast majority of conservatives that I know would rather live in a world with a little risk and have more freedom from government interference. Contrary to our dear Mooney's perpetual blathering about CBD, the libs that I know are the ones in a higher state of anxiety, and want more government intervention to keep them 'safe', than the conservatives that I know. What's normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Bad guy was white.

Dank describes the inner recesses of your mind.

If the cop didn't go into the building, did he ever see Cruz? If not, he had no idea that he was a white Hispanic as opposed to a proper brown Hispanic that needed killing.

That last sentence was sarcasm, so don't freak on me snowflakes.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is beyond belief what a stupid idea it is to arm the teachers. These school shooters will just go where there are only students. The obvious answer is military training for and the mandatory arming of the targets, the students themselves.

Wrong by reading the posts I know are most around AT are multi trained and highly qualified:
Scientists
Engineers
Lawyers
Accountants
Investment experts
Real Estate experts
Real high IQ
Best negociators
Expert marksmen
International trade experts
Constitutional scholars

Plus a whole bunch of other stuff. I've never met so many highly skilled individuals in my life.

Yep, you left out me, a professional nobody.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Maybe Cruz knew the guy didn't have the stones to confront him. Maybe Cruz was hoping for suicide by cop. We can only speculate.

According to reports, Peterson had been assigned to the school for 5 years. Therefore Cruz KNEW there was at least one armed person he would likely encounter. Kinda puts a big hole in the whole "these things won't happen if the crazies think the teachers might be armed." This kid KNEW there was armed, trained, experienced law enforcement on campus, yet did it anyway.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Exactly solution -reasonable - gun control like band weapons of war to start off with.

Except that the AR-15 is not a weapon of war (as has been stated numerous times) with the possible exception of the drug cartels; you know, the ones that Holder and Obama helped arm.

I'm no 'gun nut' by even the remotest stretch of the imagination, but comments like this are why the gun enthusiasts don't take people like you seriously. I'm not trying to be a jerk; I'm just saying that comments like the one you made don't help your cause.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Ops I meat not a good thing

They've already been doing it for years, more schools are proceeding as previously planned, this just put everything on the fast track. It's already done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoGweOFqapU