Except that the AR-15 is not a weapon of war (as has been stated numerous times) with the possible exception of the drug cartels; you know, the ones that Holder and Obama helped arm.
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You're somebody to me Moonie.It is beyond belief what a stupid idea it is to arm the teachers. These school shooters will just go where there are only students. The obvious answer is military training for and the mandatory arming of the targets, the students themselves.
Yep, you left out me, a professional nobody.
Yeah, it cracked me up earlier today when I saw a Democrat pollster get angry at the NRA and La Pierre because they weren't going along with the gun ban plans. She was really outraged. I was laughing.Nope us GUN GRABBERS say grab guns!
According to reports, Peterson had been assigned to the school for 5 years. Therefore Cruz KNEW there was at least one armed person he would likely encounter. Kinda puts a big hole in the whole "these things won't happen if the crazies think the teachers might be armed." This kid KNEW there was armed, trained, experienced law enforcement on campus, yet did it anyway.
Doesn't put a hole in it. It's inane to assume that security doesn't deter some. You'll never know it though because then that means they decided not to carry it out. Also, some make plans based on the pattern of the SRO. Maybe Cruz knew he was outside of school? If teachers are allowed to have guns, it puts more uncertainty on carrying out a mass shooting (numbers killed, whether they'd be shot and neutralized before offing themselves, etc.)
Let's say he did rush in and take out the shooter resulting in only 5 kids dead.
What difference will it make to those parents if the guy rushed in?
Armed guard who took action has reduced the body count.
Trouble is that there is still a body count on school grounds.
There’s virtually no good data out there, NRA and republicans make sure of that..No, silly, it's not. Lot s of good data out there that puts a conservative estimate of crimes prevented with a gun at about twice the rate of gun deaths (number includes suicides).
I don't think it makes you a hero by default. Your actions do. His were not the actions of a hero. But unlike you, i'm willing to call him out on his lack of heroism and feels he deserves all the scorn he can get, instead of worrying how he feels.
Just make it up as you go, that's what they're going to do anyways.There’s virtually no good data out there, NRA and republicans make sure of that..
Personally, I see moral outrage as the basis of conservative thinking, outrage at unpatriotic liberals who burn the flag, put Jesus in a jar of urine, mock authority and the sanctity of life, etc., things vital and essential for civil life. If as a liberal I can see value in the moral outrage of conservatives, is there a chance you maybe shouldn't laugh at hers?Yeah, it cracked me up earlier today when I saw a Democrat pollster get angry at the NRA and La Pierre because they weren't going along with the gun ban plans. She was really outraged. I was laughing.
No, instead you try to call me and others out.Apparently you feel you have the right to call him out but I don't have the right to not call him out.
Gotta love authoritarians.
One big consequence of this kind of thinking is that it makes it difficult to pass judgment on somebody else when you don't know how you would react in the same situation. If for 'reasons' you prefer being judgmental over introspective, you can always skip that step and pretend it doesn't exist.I remember the first time I had to do CPR on a real person (actually the only time; any time there is a code there is likely 50 people in the room before you can get there). I was well trained but struggled to figure out how to turn on the oxygen (that detail was omitted with the training) and remembering to place the pads.
While I agree that it was his job to engage the shooter and should have, I think this response is human. No amount of training really substitutes for the real thing, and the chances of having that experience are close to nil. Being a solo responder is very hard. I doubt anyone can really predict how they would act until they are demanded to, police officer or not.
Shoot, I'd go into that school with a stick!
I'd crack that kids hands and take his gun. Yea, I'm that good.
I remember the first time I had to do CPR on a real person (actually the only time; any time there is a code there is likely 50 people in the room before you can get there). I was well trained but struggled to figure out how to turn on the oxygen (that detail was omitted with the training) and remembering to place the pads.
While I agree that it was his job to engage the shooter and should have, I think this response is human. No amount of training really substitutes for the real thing, and the chances of having that experience are close to nil. Being a solo responder is very hard. I doubt anyone can really predict how they would act until they are demanded to, police officer or not.
No, silly, it's not. Lot s of good data out there that puts a conservative estimate of crimes prevented with a gun at about twice the rate of gun deaths (number includes suicides).
Wow, do you have any idea how heartless your comment is? You're correct that is won't make a difference to the parents of the 5, but what about the parents of the x number of kids that DIDN'T die? Wow, just, wow.
People will trade a few dead kids for the ability to kill people who try and steal a car."A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property"
But veterans, many of whom have combat experience, shed light on the difficulty of performing their duties under extreme duress, as one may experience in a combat situation.
"Those who study the effect of fear in combat, this isn't that unusual," said Mark Hertling, a CNN contributor and former Lt. Gen. in the US Army. "While soldiers/security are trained to run to the sound of the guns...not all do for a variety of psychological reasons."
"It happens more often than most would think, and it's part of human nature." Hertling said.
Paul Szoldra, editor-in-chief of Code Red News and a former infantryman in the Marine Corps, noted that even service members acted differently in combat scenarios.
"I know people are dumping on the school resource officer who didn't go into the school, but the sad fact is some people freeze in combat situations," Szoldra said. "It happens with cops and soldiers, training be damned, especially if it's their first time under fire."
"As much as we'd like a convenient foil to blame, and this cop certainly provides that, I would imagine he's going to carry the guilt of his choice to not go in for the rest of his life," Szoldra continued. "Ultimately, the blame for this rests on the shooter alone."
Nate Bethea, a writer on veterans-related issues and a former US Army infantry officer, criticized those who had no combat experience and were quick to condemn Peterson.
"When I was in Afghanistan we had a platoon in my battalion lose a guy during a shootout, and the whole team froze," Bethea said. "These were trained airborne infantrymen whose fellow soldier's life was in danger. They eventually got back in the fight, but yeah."
http://www.businessinsider.com/scot-peterson-sro-parkland-shooting-resignation-reaction-2018-2
Except that the AR-15 is not a weapon of war (as has been stated numerous times)
I'm no 'gun nut' by even the remotest stretch of the imagination,
You mean that one that started under GW Bush right?
One of the reasons why I don't focus on Peterson.
Many people in the military don't have the expectation that they'll ever be in a combat situation, especially if they were never voluntarily infantry or some other combat-oriented placement in a war period. It's similar in a way to the SRO position in schools in that you'll attract people who are less likely willing to carry out a risky engagement, since the expectation wasn't high to begin with. I think it has more to do with that than someone convinced they would engage but then crap their pants once the **** hits the fan. I'm also seeing that more than just Peterson stayed behind, though I can't confirm at what time they arrived. Probably is related to how it's an affluent neighborhood and not some inner city.