Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

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Maxima1

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Listen asshole, I can admit I don't have the stones to run into a shootout unless a loved one's life is at stake. We all know you are a big hero. Now unless you are going to do that job go fuck yourself.

The sheer numbers of police it would take to properly secure schools isn't feasible.

Then he shouldn't have taken the job? It's his job. It's basically just paycheck for nothing then. You can argue the same for any position, including military, and it makes you look stupid.

I haven't argued for securing schools with officers. The better route is being more stringent on who can have a gun and banning guns with detachable magazines.
 

umbrella39

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Uh, look at the actions of some of the school staff and students besides the officer. So what's your point?

He's a resource officer. Of course it's going to attract people like him. They're basically there doing nothing for a paycheck. No one at school expects the chances of a school shooting being high.

Why don't you watch the attached video in the OP and the next one that opens after to hear what his boss feels the point is...
 

Maxima1

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If you are trying to prove my point...thanks.

What was your position on them shooting unarmed people? If you're being consistent, then you wouldn't complain about it then. I'm just reiterating that the position you're taking with this resource officer is at odds with the common liberal position on the use of force.
 

Jhhnn

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So why does anyone complain about them shooting an unarmed person? It's just another self-serving thing they do i.e. don't want even slightest chance of injury/death.

They should forfeit his retirement, though I'm expecting that this isn't policy, especially since so many of them are unionized and government employees generally having better protections to begin with. Something like that would hold their feet to the fire.

Oh, please. That's more than one kind of bullshit. It's that moment every cop dreads- where you have to do or die to maintain your honor. He did neither. Doesn't mean he should lose his pension.
 

Maxima1

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Oh, please. That's more than one kind of bullshit. It's that moment every cop dreads- where you have to do or die to maintain your honor. He did neither. Doesn't mean he should lose his pension.

Really? You can go to jail with a felony manslaughter charge just for being incompetent at driving. And MANY here argue to charge cops with murder just for being incompetent or too fearful. So please. This guy made a choice that he just wanted the paycheck and not the responsibilities. Too bad for him the unexpected actually occurred.
 

HomerJS

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Then he shouldn't have taken the job? It's his job. It's basically just paycheck for nothing then. You can argue the same for any position, including military, and it makes you look stupid.

I haven't argued for securing schools with officers. The better route is being more stringent on who can have a gun and banning guns with detachable magazines.
Absent the job description we don't know exactly what his job was. Seems being a lone defender against an assault with semi-automatic weapons is above the grade of "security guard" but I'm not sure
 

Maxima1

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Absent the job description we don't know exactly what his job was. Seems being a lone defender against an assault with semi-automatic weapons is above the grade of "security guard" but I'm not sure

The training is that they are suppose to engage the shooter. It's like this everywhere now, and I believe it was Columbine that largely changed this.
 

Jhhnn

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Really? You can go to jail with a felony manslaughter charge just for being incompetent at driving. And MANY here argue to charge cops with murder just for being incompetent or too fearful. So please. This guy made a choice that he just wanted the paycheck and not the responsibilities. Too bad for him the unexpected actually occurred.

Needs more diversion.
 

ivwshane

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What was your position on them shooting unarmed people? If you're being consistent, then you wouldn't complain about it then. I'm just reiterating that the position you're taking with this resource officer is at odds with the common liberal position on the use of force.

I've consistently said cops are poorly trained. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but my point was that I don't have a problem with someone not trying to be a hero. I also have no problem with cops not trying to be a hero either. A cop shooting someone is the exact opposite of that. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you but my guess is that it's because it deals with a three letter object that causes people to be illogical and irrational.
 

sportage

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Armed officer at Florida school sheltered in place instead of confronting shooter

Yeah. We need real heroes.... like Miss Tuttle.


 

Maxima1

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I also have no problem with cops not trying to be a hero either. A cop shooting someone is the exact opposite of that. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you but my guess is that it's because it deals with a three letter object that causes people to be illogical and irrational.

Being the hero would be taking the chance that the person is armed and/or a significant threat. Some cops don't want to take that chance no matter how small it is .Maybe this will help you understand.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_risk_that_comes_with_showing_restraint.html

The shooting of a Georgia Tech student reminds us that police officers need to accept the risk that comes with showing restraint.
 

urvile

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Not that surprising I guess. He would have been going up against a loon armed with an AR-15 assault rifle. Who has wigged out to the point he is shooting unarmed school kids. The resource officer is armed with a handgun and near retirement age. Not a good day to die? The words "waiting for back up" come to mind.

I can't wait for the NRAs armed teachers plan to come into effect. That should solve all of your problems.
 

Maxima1

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Not that surprising I guess. He would have been going up against a loon armed with an AR-15 assault rifle. Who has wigged out to the point he is shooting unarmed school kids. The resource officer is armed with a handgun and near retirement age. Not a good day to die? The words "waiting for back up" come to mind.

I can't wait for the NRAs armed teachers plan to come into effect. That should solve all of your problems.

The protocol is to engage the shooter. The AR-15 wouldn't be that advantageous in close quarters. Never mind the officer should be able to have the element of surprise, and is likely more competent than a broken teen. Much of the time the losers off themselves. I believe this is the first time since Columbine that a resource officer had decided not to engage.
 
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Kobota

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Absent the job description we don't know exactly what his job was. Seems being a lone defender against an assault with semi-automatic weapons is above the grade of "security guard" but I'm not sure
He was paid over $100k a year, that is not mall cop wages.
 
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Ns1

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Absent the job description we don't know exactly what his job was. Seems being a lone defender against an assault with semi-automatic weapons is above the grade of "security guard" but I'm not sure

I'm sure he got a small bonus.
 

Mai72

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So wait, some cops with years of experience and training don't have the stones or wherewithal to go do their job and deal with an active shooter but we expect teachers to?

We can't fund schools enough for students to have supplies and expect teachers to make up the difference but we can give bonuses to those who decide to carry in school?

Hmm...

He meets the requirements to resign/retire with pay... The blue wall of wtf...

He can retire, but sadly he will be known forever as a COWARD.

We all know it but most importantly he will go to the grave knowing that he wa a coward.
 
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Mai72

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I don't blame him either. He souldn't have been put in the position of defending a full out assault.

Then don't take the job as a police officer.

How the HELL are we to know where and when a massacre is going to occur?

If a cop makes a quick pit stop at a supermarket and a maniac with an AK47 starts shooting innocent people should the cop run out of the building? He swore to protect people, Not to run and hide. It doesn't matter if he or she has children, a family, etc.

IMO, the cop at that school should had engaged the shooter. He could had possibly saved a few lives. But he didn't. Instead he will be forever known as a coward. The public knows it. His family and friends know it. His colleagues know it. Most importantly, he knows it. He will forever be known as a coward and will die as a coward.
 

skull

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Then don't take the job as a police officer.

How the HELL are we to know where and when a massacre is going to occur?

If a cop makes a quick pit stop at a supermarket and a maniac with an AK47 starts shooting innocent people should the cop run out of the building? He swore to protect people, Not to run and hide. It doesn't matter if he or she has children, a family, etc.

IMO, the cop at that school should had engaged the shooter. He could had possibly saved a few lives. But he didn't. Instead he will be forever known as a coward. The public knows it. His family and friends know it. His colleagues know it. Most importantly, he knows it. He will forever be known as a coward and will die as a coward.

Its a fate worse than death, dude will probably off himself in the end anyway. I know I wouldn't be able to live with my self, if my job was to protect and serve and I didn't when duty called. Isn't that a crime in the military?

Dude could of at least peaked around a corner popped a couple shots and ran hoping the shooter would be scared off.
 

ewdotson

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I'm pretty sure SROs have day-to-day responsibilities beyond guarding against active shooters. I sincerely doubt it would be fair to say he was collecting a paycheck for nothing.
 
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justoh

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He was neither black nor unarmed. The whole dynamic was different.
 
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