Army guys, or relatives/friends of... Can you explain this to me?

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Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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So I constantly hear about how those in the army ask their relatives or friends to ship them an xbox or take one with them on deployment because supposedly its boring there.

What?! So wait.. Let me get this straight... They have time to play games there? WTF? A soldier should do nothing else but train or fight IMO. That is until they get back home. In a 3rd world army if someone would ask for an Xbox, they'd be laughed at at best. Just saying...

I wonder if Navy Seals play Xbox on deployment too...

Imagine, some Taliban sneak up on Army barracks while the soldiers were playing their Xbox or Playstation. How is that situation going to end?

This bothers me a great deal as well. It's bad enough that 52%ers like them get a piece of the government pie that's inflating our deficit like mad. They were hired to keep us safe and to protect our oil supply. Not gaming all that Xbox all day. If soldiers want their $5 off an entree at Applebees they can get it, but they have to earn it. More training when they're not out on patrol would be a start, as opposed to slouching off with Halo parties.
 

SirStev0

Lifer
Nov 13, 2003
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They aren't allowed to drink, associate with local women (because that usually gets the girl stoned to death), or go out in public without risk of being suicide bombed. What else are they supposed to do?
 

bradly1101

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They should be reading War and Peace, and A Farewell to Arms. ;-) What they do in their downtime is up to them, although it does seem a little obscene sucking down the juice with consoles and TV's if half the country doesn't have reliable electricity.

As far as soldiers/vets wearing uniforms in civilian life, it's pride and very human. It's a similar motivation as the hot girl who wears a top that says 'Princess' in sequins. I believe people can wear what they want. For me seeing the uniform just reminds me that we're at war.
 

ibex333

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Mar 26, 2005
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To critics of this post:

I do not understand why I was called dumb and stupid. Please explain it to me. I'd like to know.

I did not insult anyone and didn't say anything bad.

This is not a troll post. I am 100% serious, and I was not trying to say anything funny. This topic is not funny at all. Why is it when anyone says anything but the very best things about the army or the firemen people suddenly have a hissy fit? Seriously. Can we remain constructive without verbal attacks?

Sure, people can wear whatever they want. But we have certain norms and behaviors in our society. People wear uniforms on duty, and they don't wear them when they come back home. Usually. Look, I am not patronizing or criticizing anyone - I just think its somewhat weird and I don't get it. Perhaps because I never served.

If fact, never mind, I'll take my words back about the whole uniform thing. Maybe I am insulting people by questioning that. I apologize. But the other two things I spoke about, - that's not cool, and I don't get it.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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To critics of this post:

I do not understand why I was called dumb and stupid. Please explain it to me. I'd like to know.

I did not insult anyone and didn't say anything bad.

This is not a troll post. I am 100% serious, and I was not trying to say anything funny. This topic is not funny at all. Why is it when anyone says anything but the very best things about the army or the firemen people suddenly have a hissy fit? Seriously. Can we remain constructive without verbal attacks?

Sure, people can wear whatever they want. But we have certain norms and behaviors in our society. People wear uniforms on duty, and they don't wear them when they come back home. Usually. Look, I am not patronizing or criticizing anyone - I just think its somewhat weird and I don't get it. Perhaps because I never served.

If fact, never mind, I'll take my words back about the whole uniform thing. Maybe I am insulting people by questioning that. I apologize. But the other two things I spoke about, - that's not cool, and I don't get it.

The uniform "complaint", if it is such, is a valid concern if it going on for the wrong reasons.
The very code states that the uniform should not be worn out in public unless it's to attend a military function/event.

Now, there are reasons why it could be permitted:
-they are going out to conduct some quick business during the duty day, such as lunch or shopping. If eating in public, alcohol consumption is prohibited.
-they were on their way to some military function in public, but stopped to do something somewhere
-they are on the way between two points and have time to kill, but cannot change for whatever reason.

I've been disgusted by people in uniform before too. There's a respect for the uniform that some just don't have. I once saw some Privates wearing their dress greens at a bar on New Year's Eve, drinking. I should have pulled rank on them in retrospect, but oh well. A military buddy also agreed they were out of line.

Regarding military and downtime: it's just what it is. That has already been clearly addressed with why and how it is the way it is. Fact is, for all time, Soldiers actively deployed somewhere for combat or operations are GOING to have downtime. Not only is it a nature of military operations, it is also absolutely necessary to foster mental and physical health. One way many uniformed men and women also pass time is some form of exercise. They will usually build an ad-hoc gym (olympic plates) and, if on a main installation, they usually have the ability to do some decent cardio.

It's been addressed why "training" rarely happens once deployed.

And for those who are still stateside - active duty is almost all training and administrative work, with slave labor mixed in from time to time. It's basically standard business hours for most active duty units, though some tasks or individuals require shifts.
Unless they are actually at a pre-mobilization training center (intense train-up prior to deployment to a hostile territory), it's basically an 8-5 job. The majority of our military is actually in that state, the 8-5 state.
Only so much of our military is actively deployed to a warzone, humanitarian aid, or recovery region, so most stateside men and women in uniform you see are likely: Reservists out and about for whatever reason during a training weekend or whatever; Active Duty types on lunch, or doing something right before or after work; or some of various types who are likely doing one of various functions that sometimes requires public interaction, like commuting to a distant workplace for some admin work or whatever.

There are hundreds of reasons you may see someone in uniform, and almost all of them are "proper reasons", and, more importantly, most of them don't involve them just having returned from combat and waltzing around in their uniform just for shits and giggles.
You have a few clowns who don't really respect uniform codes. Those are also probably the same types who also have zero respect for the US flag codes, such as never wearing clothing that is in the likeness of the flag, or wearing the flag draped over their body.
 

datalink7

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Jan 23, 2001
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The uniform "complaint", if it is such, is a valid concern if it going on for the wrong reasons.
The very code states that the uniform should not be worn out in public unless it's to attend a military function/event.
...
I've been disgusted by people in uniform before too. There's a respect for the uniform that some just don't have. I once saw some Privates wearing their dress greens at a bar on New Year's Eve, drinking. I should have pulled rank on them in retrospect, but oh well. A military buddy also agreed they were out of line.

You are allowed to wear the non-combat uniform while you are off duty (greens/blues).

AR 670-1:

15–4. Occasions for wear​
a.​
The Army green service uniform (class A) and authorized variations (class B) are authorized for wear by all male
personnel when on duty, off duty, or during travel. These uniforms also are acceptable for informal social functions
after retreat, unless the host prescribes other uniforms.

b.​
The following are appropriate occasions for enlisted personnel to wear the Army green dress uniform.
(1) At social functions of a private or official nature, either before or after retreat, and while in transit to and from
such functions. Otherwise, it is not authorized for travel.

(2) When designated by the host.

So, the Soldier wearing his Greens was not technically out of regulation just for wearing them.

However:

Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian
employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except
as authorized by competent authority.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.​
k. Soldiers will wear headgear with the Army uniform, except

(AR 670-1, 1-10)

Specifically, item number (4). It is a bit of a grey guideline that is up to some interpretation. I would imagine sitting and having a drink is within regulation. Piss drunk, clear violation.

The ACU, however, is strictly prohibited from being worn in any establishment that primarily serves alcohol. Also, while they are not prohibited by regulation from being worn off duty, the post commander (who is specifically given this power per AR 670-1) will typically (in my experience) prohibit wearing it off duty.

Also, just to add to what you said about seeing those in uniform off of a base, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for seeing Soldiers in the ACU. There are recruiters in almost every major city in the United States. They are required to wear either the ACU or Dress uniform while on duty, and their duty entails going around the city conducting interviews and recruiting. Probably much of the time when you see a Soldier in uniform they are a recruiter.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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You are allowed to wear the non-combat uniform while you are off duty (greens/blues).

AR 670-1:

15–4. Occasions for wear​
a.​
The Army green service uniform (class A) and authorized variations (class B) are authorized for wear by all male
personnel when on duty, off duty, or during travel. These uniforms also are acceptable for informal social functions
after retreat, unless the host prescribes other uniforms.

b.​
The following are appropriate occasions for enlisted personnel to wear the Army green dress uniform.
(1) At social functions of a private or official nature, either before or after retreat, and while in transit to and from
such functions. Otherwise, it is not authorized for travel.

(2) When designated by the host.

So, the Soldier wearing his Greens was not technically out of regulation just for wearing them.

However:

Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian
employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except
as authorized by competent authority.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.​
k. Soldiers will wear headgear with the Army uniform, except

(AR 670-1, 1-10)

Specifically, item number (4). It is a bit of a grey guideline that is up to some interpretation. I would imagine sitting and having a drink is within regulation. Piss drunk, clear violation.

The ACU, however, is strictly prohibited from being worn in any establishment that primarily serves alcohol. Also, while they are not prohibited by regulation from being worn off duty, the post commander (who is specifically given this power per AR 670-1) will typically (in my experience) prohibit wearing it off duty.

Also, just to add to what you said about seeing those in uniform off of a base, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for seeing Soldiers in the ACU. There are recruiters in almost every major city in the United States. They are required to wear either the ACU or Dress uniform while on duty, and their duty entails going around the city conducting interviews and recruiting. Probably much of the time when you see a Soldier in uniform they are a recruiter.


So you can go to a civilian bar and drink in the Greens or ASU, but it is entirely forbidden to do so with ACUs?

Sometimes, the Army seems set out to be as confusing as possible.

I guess it goes back to the idea the the ACU is really meant for true "duty", and in line with much of that duty, should be respected with stricter wear guidelines. Whereas, the ASU, and Class A before it, is not only a military dress uniform, but also snazzy evening wear that can help spread "the good word".

But I have no idea. I guess I just most remember the line regarding ACUs in alcohol-focused establishments.

So is there no true ban on alcohol and uniform? Just, don't wear ACUs in a bar, but feel free to both do so and have a drink at a restaurant on your lunch? :hmm:
 

Nintendesert

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Army should simply stop being nasty and only allow dress/service uniforms in public. I hate seeing those fat fucks at Walmart in their urban camo.
 

datalink7

Lifer
Jan 23, 2001
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So you can go to a civilian bar and drink in the Greens or ASU, but it is entirely forbidden to do so with ACUs?

Sometimes, the Army seems set out to be as confusing as possible.

I guess it goes back to the idea the the ACU is really meant for true "duty", and in line with much of that duty, should be respected with stricter wear guidelines. Whereas, the ASU, and Class A before it, is not only a military dress uniform, but also snazzy evening wear that can help spread "the good word".

But I have no idea. I guess I just most remember the line regarding ACUs in alcohol-focused establishments.

So is there no true ban on alcohol and uniform? Just, don't wear ACUs in a bar, but feel free to both do so and have a drink at a restaurant on your lunch? :hmm:

There is a ban on alcohol while you are on duty. Additionally, you can't drink alcohol while in a combat uniform (ACU/BDU/MC/etc.). So no having a drink during lunch

However, the ban on alcohol doesn't extend to the Dress Uniform. You just have to follow the guidelines of avoiding "(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army." Obviously, a grey area up to interpretation by anyone who is superior in rank to you, so I wouldn't recommend doing it at all, regardless of the fact that AR 670-1 doesn't specifically disallow drinking.
 

skimple

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Feb 4, 2005
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To critics of this post:

I do not understand why I was called dumb and stupid. Please explain it to me. I'd like to know.

I did not insult anyone and didn't say anything bad.

This is not a troll post. I am 100% serious, and I was not trying to say anything funny. This topic is not funny at all. Why is it when anyone says anything but the very best things about the army or the firemen people suddenly have a hissy fit? Seriously. Can we remain constructive without verbal attacks?

Sure, people can wear whatever they want. But we have certain norms and behaviors in our society. People wear uniforms on duty, and they don't wear them when they come back home. Usually. Look, I am not patronizing or criticizing anyone - I just think its somewhat weird and I don't get it. Perhaps because I never served.

If fact, never mind, I'll take my words back about the whole uniform thing. Maybe I am insulting people by questioning that. I apologize. But the other two things I spoke about, - that's not cool, and I don't get it.


You're getting blasted because it is very clear that you have no idea whatsoever what people in the armed forces do or how the armed forces operate.

It addition, the fact that you seem so offended indicates that you think the people in the military are in some sort of labor camp or prison where they aren't entitled to have recreation.
 

CountZero

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Jul 10, 2001
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You're getting blasted because it is very clear that you have no idea whatsoever what people in the armed forces do or how the armed forces operate.

It addition, the fact that you seem so offended indicates that you think the people in the military are in some sort of labor camp or prison where they aren't entitled to have recreation.

While paying for something my dad was asked for ID, he pulled out his military ID and handed it over and the following conversation happened:

"Oh! You're in the Navy"
"Yep"
Pause.
"So...what do you do for money?"
"I'm in the Navy"
"They pay you?!?"

I consider that to be only slightly worse that the level of understanding those that have zero interaction with the military seem to believe.
 
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