Army of One...

[sMiLeYz]

Words can't describe it so, I thought I'd just link it.

This flash animation nearly made me cry...

 

[DealMonkey]

The Bushies sure know how to pay back their hard-working military families, don't they? :|

 

[flavio]

Wow.

 

[magomago]

What about those huge increases for the military tho?! :Q

Where did the $$$ go?

 

[Tab]

I disagree with the first part. Bad food, dude your in a fscking forgien contrey suck it up bitch. No water? Your in the military pussy. The second part I entirely agree with, why the budget cuts? Not to mention most in the military get paid absolute sh1t. Yes, you do have housing, food paid for but wheres the rest of the money? If I am going to serve my contrey and poteinally get killed I deserve something. The uranium part is false same with the Gulf War Syndrome. The goverment is already funding research on it. As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

 

[CaptnKirk]

One of the big things that the Military stresses - non-stop starting with Basic training is HYDRATION.
Water, water, water - they spend the first 8 weks getting recruits to drink enough water, alsmost
forcing them to drink it.
All through their training, tech schools, PT classes, and on assignment
they try to make sure that they are getting plenty of water. A tremendous effort is made to get
the soldiers to realize the importance of water intake, you just can't cut them off or say 'tough it up'
after getting them into a high hydration program, as it affects thier body function and natural ability
to perform at peak levels, especially in a hot climate.
In any combat situation where an injury is received bleeding out leads to a de-hydration from the
loss of fluids, the second most important thing that a wounded trooper can receive is water, iot
comes immediatly after medical attention, and in some cases is a form of medical attention.
Water to a soldier is an extreamely important commodity - we learned that from previos wars.

Oh - by the way, theres a reason for the old saying 'An Army travels on it's stomach', it means that
you have to keep supplies, equipment, food, rations & water where the troops can use it, if they
loose their supply line by ever-extension, or being cut-off thet element is effectively lost to operations.
The 'Rush' to Baghdad cost us lives in a convoy that got lost when they were trying to bring up
supplies - and were over 12 hours behind where they were supposed to have been - remember
Jessica Lynch and the convoy she was in ? Too many casualties lost in a logistical error.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false

So are you saying no depleted Uranium was used?

same with the Gulf War Syndrome.

...and there's no such thing as Gulf War Syndrome?
What is false?

The goverment is already funding research on it.

Huh? Which one? Why would they do that if they're false?

As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

Going AWOL and being afraid of horses seemed to be mentioned as points related to the image displayed above the text from a news site which showed Bush as he encouraged attackers to "bring it on".

 

[etech]

What is this "afraid of horses" thing that is being spewed?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Tabb
I disagree with the first part. Bad food, dude your in a fscking forgien contrey suck it up bitch. No water? Your in the military pussy. The second part I entirely agree with, why the budget cuts? Not to mention most in the military get paid absolute sh1t. Yes, you do have housing, food paid for but wheres the rest of the money? If I am going to serve my contrey and poteinally get killed I deserve something. The uranium part is false same with the Gulf War Syndrome. The goverment is already funding research on it. As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.[\Q]

To address the food part, I was reading an article yesterday saying that while out troops were still eating MRE's the italians were eating much more substantial food, and our troops were trading as much as possible for it, I dunno what they would trade tho, I doubt it was the MRE's heh. I don't see any reason to make them suffer, it is already one of the longest tours of duty in recent history, if the Italians can get real food over there, why can't we?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false

So are you saying no depleted Uranium was used?

Depleted Uranium is everywhere? It is? No it isnt.

same with the Gulf War Syndrome.

...and there's no such thing as Gulf War Syndrome?
What is false?

I dont see how the goverment can be denying it if they are funding research for it

The goverment is already funding research on it.

Huh? Which one? Why would they do that if they're false?

Our goverment

As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

Going AWOL and being afraid of horses seemed to be mentioned as points related to the image displayed above the text from a news site which showed Bush as he encouraged attackers to "bring it on".

So whats your point? He encourged attackers to bring it on?

 

[jackschmittusa]

I cannot believe that we do not have the airlift and sealift capacity to supply our troops with everything they need. And how could we not have enough ground transport to supply troops in essentially static positions? Sounds like in a sustained, mobile war, we would end up like Von Pallus in Russia.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false
Depleted Uranium is everywhere? No it isnt.

same with the Gulf War Syndrome.
I dont see how the goverment can be denying it if they are funding research for it

Remains of toxic bullets litter Iraq.
Government denial

As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

Going AWOL and being afraid of horses seemed to be mentioned as points related to the image displayed above the text from a news site which showed Bush as he encouraged attackers to "bring it on".

So whats your point? He encourged attackers to bring it on?

Are you really having this much trouble with this one? It's not really so complicated.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false
Depleted Uranium is everywhere? No it isnt.

same with the Gulf War Syndrome.
I dont see how the goverment can be denying it if they are funding research for it

Remains of toxic bullets litter Iraq.
Government denial

about the second link, the UK gov said they would start cleaning it up in south Iraq right after the war, was a program about this on bbc world service

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false

So are you saying no depleted Uranium was used?

Depleted Uranium is everywhere? It is? No it isnt.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s882745.htm

As the citizens of Iraq try to rebuild their war-ravaged country, there's another potential problem looming. Depleted uranium from munitions used during the war by Coalition troops is scattered around the nation and the Coalition has no plans to clean it up.

Significantly, one of the biggest critics of the American policy on depleted uranium is a former US Army scientist who was in charge of cleaning up radioactive waste after the first Gulf War. Doug Rokke served as a physicist with the Third US Army Medical Command, and he spoke to Edmond Roy.

DOUG ROKKE: Well in the whole areas we know that the health effects not only on the US forces that participated in Gulf War I, the US Department of Veteran Affairs, in a report that was issued in last September of 2002, confirmed that over 221,000 of America's sons and daughters that participated in Gulf War I are now suffering serious adverse health effects, to the point where they're on permanent disability and well over 10,000 is dead.

But we're seeing those same proportions in all the Coalition forces, but in the areas where the uranium munitions were used and all the contamination was left, and all the other contamination was left from the total destruction of an infrastructure, we're seeing absolutely devastating health effects on those populations, both the military but more important the non-combatants, the women and children of the region.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Tabb
I disagree with the first part. Bad food, dude your in a fscking forgien contrey suck it up bitch. No water? Your in the military pussy. The second part I entirely agree with, why the budget cuts? Not to mention most in the military get paid absolute sh1t. Yes, you do have housing, food paid for but wheres the rest of the money? If I am going to serve my contrey and poteinally get killed I deserve something. The uranium part is false same with the Gulf War Syndrome. The goverment is already funding research on it. As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

Tabb, do you look at the sky and call it green? Pull your head outta the sand for once.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false

So are you saying no depleted Uranium was used?

Depleted Uranium is everywhere? It is? No it isnt.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s882745.htm

As the citizens of Iraq try to rebuild their war-ravaged country, there's another potential problem looming. Depleted uranium from munitions used during the war by Coalition troops is scattered around the nation and the Coalition has no plans to clean it up.

Significantly, one of the biggest critics of the American policy on depleted uranium is a former US Army scientist who was in charge of cleaning up radioactive waste after the first Gulf War. Doug Rokke served as a physicist with the Third US Army Medical Command, and he spoke to Edmond Roy.

DOUG ROKKE: Well in the whole areas we know that the health effects not only on the US forces that participated in Gulf War I, the US Department of Veteran Affairs, in a report that was issued in last September of 2002, confirmed that over 221,000 of America's sons and daughters that participated in Gulf War I are now suffering serious adverse health effects, to the point where they're on permanent disability and well over 10,000 is dead.

But we're seeing those same proportions in all the Coalition forces, but in the areas where the uranium munitions were used and all the contamination was left, and all the other contamination was left from the total destruction of an infrastructure, we're seeing absolutely devastating health effects on those populations, both the military but more important the non-combatants, the women and children of the region.

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

Coorelation != causation

 

[burnedout]

The propaganda spewing from this linked garbage is all ate the hell up with misconceptions.

"Help, Mr. Bill, Mr. Bill, the Evil Republicans wanna cut imminent danger pay for our servicemen and women. And cut family separation too".

Oh really? Then why in the hell did Dubya sign this very same measure into law on 16 April 2003? Retroactive to 1 October 02, by the way. If he is so much against it, then why did he sign the damned thing?????????

Source: U.S Air Force

"But Mr. Bill, the Evil Republicans said they wanna cut Tricare for reserves."

Here are the Tricare regulations for Active Guard and Reserve

There is also a compromise amendment in the works extending benefits beyond 30 days after separation from AD for Active Guard and Reserve members. This policy is nothing new and has been the same for years.

"Now the Evil Republicans wanna cut $1.5 Billion from housing".

Why put $1.5 Billion into bases that may be closed? When I find the link discussing that particular little bit of sniveling, I'll post it as well.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

The uranium part is false
Depleted Uranium is everywhere? No it isnt.

same with the Gulf War Syndrome.
I dont see how the goverment can be denying it if they are funding research for it

Remains of toxic bullets litter Iraq.
Government denial

As for the bush part I find that most amusing. So what if he went AWOL? How many other people did? He is afraid of horses? So? Looks like a little bit of bush bashing to me.

Going AWOL and being afraid of horses seemed to be mentioned as points related to the image displayed above the text from a news site which showed Bush as he encouraged attackers to "bring it on".

So whats your point? He encourged attackers to bring it on?

Are you really having this much trouble with this one? It's not really so complicated.

Yes my simple mind is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that you're pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that your pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

Well, my conclusion is that there isnt any proof either way, so people should stop jumping to conclusions, unless you want to take as gospel a report generated by Saddam's government, which also refused when WHO volunteered to investigate. If you want to do that, I've got a couple of bridges to sell you

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: etech
What is this "afraid of horses" thing that is being spewed?

C'mon, surely one of you lefties can spin the story for me. Is this just another lie that was made up to discredit the President, that like the others, has absolutely no merit at all.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that your pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

Well, my conclusion is that there isnt any proof either way, so people should stop jumping to conclusions, unless you want to take as gospel a report generated by Saddam's government, which also refused when WHO volunteered to investigate. If you want to do that, I've got a couple of bridges to sell you

And until there is a mountain of evidence that manages to convince you otherwise, everyone should assume that depleted uranium is a healthy snack right?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that you're pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

Uh since when did I say oil fires have anything to do with Gulf War Sydrome?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that your pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

Well, my conclusion is that there isnt any proof either way, so people should stop jumping to conclusions, unless you want to take as gospel a report generated by Saddam's government, which also refused when WHO volunteered to investigate. If you want to do that, I've got a couple of bridges to sell you

And until there is a mountain of evidence that manages to convince you otherwise, everyone should assume that depleted uranium is a healthy snack right?

Sure, you want a nice cracker smeared with DU-butter?

The reliable (ie open to peer review) studies I have seen show that DU is not the OMG, PH33R IT! substance that some people like to make it out as. Dont go into a burned out tank that was hit by a DU round until after its been deconned, and its hard to be in a situation where there are fatal levels of it and have it be the cause of death (ie the poor SOBs in the tank that gets hit arent going to die from heavy metal poisoning)

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tabb

Yes my simple is..

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that these people had to breathe in the smoke from all those oil well fires... nothing at all...

And who started those fires?

Your simple is that you're pretty sure Gulf War Syndrome is caused by oil well fires? Can you tell me what led you to this conclusion?

Uh since when did I say oil fires have anything to do with Gulf War Sydrome?

Why did you refer to oil fires then?