Army surpasses July recruiting goal...

[keird]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Of course not. Those people I respect (if their reasons are traditions, respect for the uniform, or duty to serve). Those that irk me are the ones claiming to be doing it to save my ass. Bullshit. They don't know who the fuck I am yet they want to protect me? Save the tears, man. People who say garbage like that are confusing the nominal objectives of their jobs with their own objectives. Rarely is it one and the same. How do I know? Well, let's see if their enthuisiasm for protecting me ends when their contract is over or will they go into the private sector and selfishly work for themselves:laugh:.

WTF?! Do you really think that I wouldn't have accepted a bonus for re-enlisting if it was offered? What color would have your broad brush have painted me if I had gotten a bonus?

What you fail to understand is what military personnel really give up by deploying. You think that money is the prime motivation for service for the majority and that a service member thinks it is compensation enough for why we volunteer. How much money would it be worth you to give up seeing your children grow up, or put a marriage on hold, or even meet someone to have a relationship with? I mean, that?s a given for life in the service. Do you think that if money isn't the motivation, then it must be some sociopathic desire to kill? The people that make up the military are a little more complex and varied than you believe.

You are uninitiated. It is clear to me that you have no desire to understand the service, but merely accept anything that casts that subject in a light that you agree with.

And you're troll.:thumbsup:

Why isn?t there an ignore button?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: keird
Why isn?t there an ignore button?

there is. it's under your profile options.

i never use that function, though, because people like Narmer always give me a good laugh when I need one!

 

[keird]

Thanks.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
I suppose since this actually applies to me I should contribute.

I joined in 1997 and got out last year. Did a little over 9 years.
Am grateful for all the experience and training I got but am also grateful I got out alive and in one piece.
I really dont believe in this so-called war. I think its a propaganda piece because war-time presidents tend to look good in history books. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I dont think too highly of the presidents connections to big business, especially oil.

I dont mind the thought of serving and even dying for a worthy cause but this is not it.
I took my 30 grand for college and left while I still had all 4 limbs and all 5 senses.
Would like to think I was of some benefit to my country in Kosovo in '98, but as years go by I question that too.

The country got their monies worth out of me. The first 4 years I worked 20 hours a day for about half minimum wage. The last 5 were a little easier and payed a little better. But by the end I really didnt think they could pay me enough. I got an honorable discharge and an RE-1 code and walked away with a small amount of dignity and humanity left.
Got a job at a semiconductor plant right away. The work is tough here but at least now I make a good salary.

For all those swinging a big boner and in dire need of serving their country let me explain something to you:
When you join up you dont work for your country. You serve the needs of the politicians.
In theory they serve the needs of the country. Having observed the executive and ledgislative branches these past few years, I think they might not be doing it.

You wanna serve your country?
Be an honest lawyer, a straight politician, a clean businessman, a compassionate doctor, a determined engineer, a loyal cop, or a brave fireman.
You will of much better benefit to your homeland, trust me.

Very well said! Thank you for both your service and your comment.

As I've said before, it is empty misdirection when the pro-war crowds attacks America for "not having the stomach for war" or people for being "unwilling to serve the country". The real issue is that we recognize the Iraq invasion is a big lie. It is all about money and power and egomania. It was never about defending America. It is noble and honorable to die for your country. It is a waste to die for somebody else's greed.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: Narmer
Of course not. Those people I respect (if their reasons are traditions, respect for the uniform, or duty to serve). Those that irk me are the ones claiming to be doing it to save my ass. Bullshit. They don't know who the fuck I am yet they want to protect me? Save the tears, man. People who say garbage like that are confusing the nominal objectives of their jobs with their own objectives. Rarely is it one and the same. How do I know? Well, let's see if their enthuisiasm for protecting me ends when their contract is over or will they go into the private sector and selfishly work for themselves:laugh:.

WTF?! Do you really think that I wouldn't have accepted a bonus for re-enlisting if it was offered? What color would have your broad brush have painted me if I had gotten a bonus?

What you fail to understand is what military personnel really give up by deploying. You think that money is the prime motivation for service for the majority and that a service member thinks it is compensation enough for why we volunteer. How much money would it be worth you to give up seeing your children grow up, or put a marriage on hold, or even meet someone to have a relationship with? I mean, that?s a given for life in the service. Do you think that if money isn't the motivation, then it must be some sociopathic desire to kill? The people that make up the military are a little more complex and varied than you believe.

You are uninitiated. It is clear to me that you have no desire to understand the service, but merely accept anything that casts that subject in a light that you agree with.

And you're troll.:thumbsup:

Why isn?t there an ignore button?

Nice try trying to put words into my mouth. And just because you wear the uniform doesn't make you some type of "better than thou" individual. You also made the mistake of assuming that I'm uninitiated. And I can see that you assume that all your comrades feel the same as you. You'd be better off if you spoke for yourself next time rather than all those in the military.

 

[Modelworks]

All I got for signing up years ago was a promise of money for college and free healthcare and training.
Man I feel cheated

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
All I got for signing up years ago was a promise of money for college and free healthcare and training.
Man I feel cheated

Not sure if my sarcasm detector is busted...


But I will get 0 dollars for signing up. If you are joining the military SOLEY for the money, something is wrong with you. There is nothing wrong with incentives being part of your decision, however. We are soldiers, not mercenaries.

 

[nick1985]

dp

 

[NaughtyGeek]

May all those without the calling never have to bear witness to the price that those called are willing to pay to protect the blissfully ignorant.

Here here! :beer:

Narmer, You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

May all those without the calling never have to bear witness to the price that those called are willing to pay to protect the blissfully ignorant.

Here here! :beer:

Narmer, You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something.

Truer words were never spoken.

If ever there was a circle jerk, this is it. Please, stop pumping yourselves as if you are some great human being because you wear the uniform. Anyone can put it on, even the felons the Pentagon is taking in. What really distinguishes the men from the boys in the military are their duty to their country, not money, some political ideology or grand belief in oneself. I think people like you actually believe those ARMY/MARINES commercials about how great you are. Well, a truly great man shows more humility than fools like you'll.

 

[keird]

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt - 1910

"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." - Elbert Hubbard

The 'Ignore' feature doesn't work for me.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: keird
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt - 1910

"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." - Elbert Hubbard

The 'Ignore' feature doesn't wok for me.

Enough with this already. Let me ask you a simple question: Do you consider every man and woman that puts on the uniform to be noble indviduals that deserve praise?

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Enough with this already. Let me ask you a simple question: Do you consider every man and woman that puts on the uniform to be noble indviduals that deserve praise?

Why on earth would you feel that I would want to answer that question, Troll?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: Narmer
Enough with this already. Let me ask you a simple question: Do you consider every man and woman that puts on the uniform to be noble indviduals that deserve praise?

Why on earth would you feel that I would want to answer that question, Troll?

It's your choice as to whether or not you want to answer. The truth is that question was to determine whether or not your head was in the clouds. Unless you answer it, I'll judge your mindset by your posts so far.

 

[keird]

'kay.

 

[Narmer]

Instead of grandizing yourself and others you do not know, why don't you live your life in accordance with the law; be a good model for your progenies; and be ready to side with good men, irregardless of the color or creed (even when faced with death). Those are the doctrines I've been brought up under and I recommend the same for you. Characteristics like that are what separate real men from boys, not whether or not you've been a soldier.

 

[shortylickens]

You would sound much more intelligent if you didnt make up words, especially "ireregardless"

And you dont get brought up under "indoctrinations" either.

Not sure about "grandizing", will have to check on that.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If you think the army is having a hard time getting recruits now wait till we have a Democrat in office.

I see PJ starting threads in Forum Issues crying about people calling him names. "Waaah! People are being mean to me! Make them stop! Waaah!"

Then I see him in this thread using the classic trollish technique of ETE (Enter, Troll, and Exit).

A-hole.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
You would sound much more intelligent if you didnt make up words, especially "ireregardless"

And you dont get brought up under "indoctrinations" either.

Not sure about "grandizing", will have to check on that.

Fair enough. I realized those mistakes but I'm working with one arm here so I'd ask for your forgiveness. The cast for the other arm should be off in no time.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer
You also made the mistake of assuming that I'm uninitiated.

Have you served in the military? If so, when, where, and with whom did you serve? Just curious...

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
You also made the mistake of assuming that I'm uninitiated.

Have you served in the military? If so, when, where, and with whom did you serve? Just curious...

There's more than one way to be initiated.

 

[mc00]

""You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."

This one really got under my skin... So I'm worthless because I didn't join military and picked up a gun, so I'm not worthy to speak out and voice out my opinion against anything I see is bull, like this "War On Terror" you know what, I couldn't give flying fck what you military/war lovers thinks of a average Joe.. I pay my fee for my freedom, and that fee is those damn taxes and obeying the laws. It?s my duty as citizen of United State to protect my civil libraries from any corrupt government or outsider. The Terrorist, what people so afraid of is going to bring down empire as United State, yeah right. People stupidity and fear and putting to much trust into our government/politician is the one going to bring down this country not the terrorist. I have 3 friend join military I have respect for having balls to join but I don?t owe them jack sh!t. If I want to protect my own freedom I'll pick up a gun and protect my own a$$, and if a BIG if there were to be true danger to our nation than I will fight..

 

[cwjerome]

Increasing the total number of personnel while engaged in warfare is a challenge. Might they miss their earmarks here and there... of course. Might they have to sweeten the pot... of course. But the bigger issue in this problem is how the military -particularly the Army- is trying to conduct a significant transformation under fire while competing with the private sector. I think people look superficially at the basic concretes floated by the mass media but very rarely have the understanding to look at the fundamental aspects that really expose a lot of the causes and effects surrounding the situation.

As far as the braggadocio that comes from the military, I think it just goes with the territory. There almost has to be a certain level of competition, belief or confidence to meet the challenges and succeed in this most peculiar career field. Almost like firefighters. I think most serious career military would agree with me that in most cases, a certain level of "spirit" is fine as long as it is tempered by a dignity and professionalism... and in most cases, it is. The fact is, you need that particular level of ego to get through the completely unnatural situations these jobs put you in. It is not natural to run inside a burning building. Combat is not a natural condition. At some level, you have to believe you are a badass, because lives could be at stake.

Oh I'm sure military people can get defensive... we're a proud bunch. We believe what we do is very important and can get irritated by those seen as less than supportive. But in the same sense of being proud, we don't always need pats on the head to validate what we do. I have gone back to teaching, 4 weeks now, and I don't think one person at the school -besides the principal- knows I'm military. I'd just assume keep it that way.

Hell, I was attacked by every anti-war nut on these message boards shrieking about how I'm a coward, or keyboard commando, how I need to join, etc etc daily for a couple years... and I never bothered to tell the poor idiots I was already in. Why bother?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: mc00
""You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."

This one really got under my skin... So I'm worthless because I didn't join military and picked up a gun, so I'm not worthy to speak out and voice out my opinion against anything I see is bull, like this "War On Terror" you know what, I couldn't give flying fck what you military/war lovers thinks of a average Joe.. I pay my fee for my freedom, and that fee is those damn taxes and obeying the laws. It?s my duty as citizen of United State to protect my civil libraries from any corrupt government or outsider. The Terrorist, what people so afraid of is going to bring down empire as United State, yeah right. People stupidity and fear and putting to much trust into our government/politician is the one going to bring down this country not the terrorist. I have 3 friend join military I have respect for having balls to join but I don?t owe them jack sh!t. If I want to protect my own freedom I'll pick up a gun and protect my own a$$, and if a BIG if there were to be true danger to our nation than I will fight..

Spoken like a real man and true patriot:thumbsup:.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
You also made the mistake of assuming that I'm uninitiated.

Have you served in the military? If so, when, where, and with whom did you serve? Just curious...

There's more than one way to be initiated.

ok then, quit playing games. do tell us how exactly you were "initiated."