Army surpasses July recruiting goal...

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

If I did it, it wouldn't be for money. Besides, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. But I simply refuse to be a tool for something I don't believe in. Serving my country and fighting in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

If I did it, it wouldn't be for money. Besides, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. But I simply refuse to be a tool for something I don't believe in. Serving my country and fighting in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

sure it is...

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

If I did it, it wouldn't be for money. Besides, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. But I simply refuse to be a tool for something I don't believe in. Serving my country and fighting in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

sure it is...

of course it is. why would I say otherwise? Your fixation on money is obviously why you're in it, not for some duty to country.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

If I did it, it wouldn't be for money. Besides, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. But I simply refuse to be a tool for something I don't believe in. Serving my country and fighting in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

sure it is...

of course it is. why would I say otherwise? Your fixation on money is obviously why you're in it, not for some duty to country.

my fixation on money?!? LOL! I take a 40% paycut every time I deploy!

duh.

You have no idea why I serve, but trust me, it has nothing to do with money...

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

It's a sad price that each of us who serves knows we might have to pay. Whenever you reduce it to a political talking point, you effectively cheapen the sacrifices we make.

It's not political. It's an honest question. Do they (or their families) get a bonus when the men die or are severly injured beyond repair? As for you, are you in Iraq or at home?

I'm actually on vacation at the moment (woohoo!) I'm not heading back out until spring of '08. (I have some advanced schools to knock out before I go downrange again)...

As for the bonuses, your question is ridiculous and is quite obviously a smart-assed attempt to make a political statement using the death and dismemberment of the troops.

There is no "death bonus." However, there is a decent amount of insurance money paid out to the spouses or families of servicemen and women who pay the ultimate price. Up to $400k.

Have I told you today how much you make me sick?

Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain.

Don't worry, nobody here would ever expect you to understand the desire to serve your nation.

If I did it, it wouldn't be for money. Besides, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. But I simply refuse to be a tool for something I don't believe in. Serving my country and fighting in Iraq are not mutually exclusive.

sure it is...

of course it is. why would I say otherwise? Your fixation on money is obviously why you're in it, not for some duty to country.

my fixation on money?!? LOL! I take a 40% paycut every time I deploy!

duh.

You have no idea why I serve, but trust me, it has nothing to do with money...

Here we go with "trust me" again... I think you're in it for the money. Either that or you want to kill Iraqis for revenge from 9/11:laugh:.

 

[alchemize]

Nested quotes run amok!

 

[rpanic]

I am so glad my dad talked me out of joining 10 years ago. No amount of money could fix all of the problems he has from going to Vietnam and he volunteered from the get go. Even If you don?t die you will always be thinking of the friends lost that did, if not now then later in life.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: rpanic
I am so glad my dad talked me out of joining 10 years ago. No amount of money could fix all of the problems he has from going to Vietnam and he volunteered from the get go. Even If you don?t die you will always be thinking of the friends lost that did, if not now then later in life.

That could be said about any war, even the necessary and proper ones.

 

[maluckey]

rpanic,

Not everyone suffers from Long-Term Mental issues from traumatic experiences. Some do though it's true. I feel for your fathers problems.

I've lost comrades and even a few friends since 1989 when I enlisted. I remember them with pride, knowing that I had the chance to know them. I feel for their families, but they died for something that they believed in. How many of us can truly say that? When I finally go, I hope it is with honor, not thinking about what I could have done or what honor I could have shown and instead lacked the courage to do it.

Being in the service is not for everyone. Even for those wishing to serve, being in the service is not enough. Some choose combat MOS or Combat Branches. This means that they are willing to put themselves before others so that their brethren may never have to know the horror of war or violence.

May all those without the calling never have to bear witness to the price that those called are willing to pay to protect the blissfully ignorant.

It's not a job, it's a lifestyle and a calling.

Narmer,

You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something.

 

[rpanic]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: rpanic
I am so glad my dad talked me out of joining 10 years ago. No amount of money could fix all of the problems he has from going to Vietnam and he volunteered from the get go. Even If you don?t die you will always be thinking of the friends lost that did, if not now then later in life.

That could be said about any war, even the necessary and proper ones.

You are right, I think the problem I have with this one and the one my dad was in is that they are both just political wars at the expense of American blood and treasure. This war did not need to happen I think most people can agree to that. Its funny how Leaders will just start wars when there ass or for that matter the children?s asses are not on the line.

 

[mc00]

ah yes.. my friend join national guard and got offer 20k bonus for joining, when he start training he will get 10k within those 4 month of basic training, and when he done he will get the rest plus whatever he was promise/contract for monthly payment.. so a grand total of 30k if I remember correctly unless he bullsh!ting me. so basically he said he join for the money and doesn't care about terrorist/bush/etc.. just pay him and he shoots lol.

 

[keird]

My sig just changed for a reason, my friend. It used to say 68W4P2S/68V4E.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: keird
My sig just changed for a reason, my friend. It used to say 68W4P2S/68V4E.

ahh, right on. i've never been any good at reading long MOS' for any series, but I think I got it.

 

[shortylickens]

I suppose since this actually applies to me I should contribute.

I joined in 1997 and got out last year. Did a little over 9 years.
Am grateful for all the experience and training I got but am also grateful I got out alive and in one piece.
I really dont believe in this so-called war. I think its a propaganda piece because war-time presidents tend to look good in history books. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I dont think too highly of the presidents connections to big business, especially oil.

I dont mind the thought of serving and even dying for a worthy cause but this is not it.
I took my 30 grand for college and left while I still had all 4 limbs and all 5 senses.
Would like to think I was of some benefit to my country in Kosovo in '98, but as years go by I question that too.

The country got their monies worth out of me. The first 4 years I worked 20 hours a day for about half minimum wage. The last 5 were a little easier and payed a little better. But by the end I really didnt think they could pay me enough. I got an honorable discharge and an RE-1 code and walked away with a small amount of dignity and humanity left.
Got a job at a semiconductor plant right away. The work is tough here but at least now I make a good salary.

For all those swinging a big boner and in dire need of serving their country let me explain something to you:
When you join up you dont work for your country. You serve the needs of the politicians.
In theory they serve the needs of the country. Having observed the executive and ledgislative branches these past few years, I think they might not be doing it.

You wanna serve your country?
Be an honest lawyer, a straight politician, a clean businessman, a compassionate doctor, a determined engineer, a loyal cop, or a brave fireman.
You will of much better benefit to your homeland, trust me.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

loser

 

[imported_Truenofan]

"Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain."
i personally did it for college, some of us cant afford it and dont want to live in debt 5yrs after you get out. im not here for the money either. it truely is a different experience that someone the likes of you wouldnt understand, im currently in iraq right now as well posting this.

"You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."
very very true.

"You wanna serve your country?
Be an honest lawyer, a straight politician, a clean businessman, a compassionate doctor, a determined engineer, a loyal cop, or a brave fireman.
You will of much better benefit to your homeland, trust me. "
yes, the best thing we could have is a straight politician, there are TOO many damn corrupted by money from they're supporters that they eventually have to pass laws that let them into power. its gone insane now, they have tens of millions of dollars that could be spent on something better than being elected.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Narmer
What's the bonus when they come back in a bodybag or with limbs missing?

loser

You come back for more after that mega-insult I levied at you, your sister, and your mother:laugh:?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Truenofan
"Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain."
i personally did it for college, some of us cant afford it and dont want to live in debt 5yrs after you get out. im not here for the money either. it truely is a different experience that someone the likes of you wouldnt understand, im currently in iraq right now as well posting this.

"You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."
very very true.

lol. Yeah, that must be it. Me attacking those joining the army for money and the opportunity to kill innocent men and women in distant lands is a sign of my fears. And save me the "honor speech" for one of the soldiers returning from Iraq in a body-bag. Like shortylickens just said, serving at the pleasure of the politicians is what you are doing, not defending my freedom. Fighting for mega-corporations in foreign countries is NOT defending the United States. You are a pawn, used for economic games and brinksmanship. If you seriously believe that you are fighting for freedom, then your ass really do belong in Iraq.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Truenofan
"Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain."
i personally did it for college, some of us cant afford it and dont want to live in debt 5yrs after you get out. im not here for the money either. it truely is a different experience that someone the likes of you wouldnt understand, im currently in iraq right now as well posting this.

"You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."
very very true.

lol. Yeah, that must be it. Me attacking those joining the army for money and the opportunity to kill innocent men and women in distant lands is a sign of my fears. And save me the "honor speech" for one of the soldiers returning from Iraq in a body-bag. Like shortylickens just said, serving at the pleasure of the politicians is what you are doing, not defending my freedom. Fighting for mega-corporations in foreign countries is NOT defending the United States. You are a pawn, used for economic games and brinksmanship. If you seriously believe that you are fighting for freedom, then your ass really do belong in Iraq.

Yep, that must be it! :roll:


And when people sign up and get a whopping 0 dollar signing bonus, are they in it for the money as well?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Truenofan
"Do you honestly think I give a damn what you think of me? Anyway, thanks for answering. The death bonus is 400k. Therefore, if you die, your family will get a nice downpayment to a new house or the Maybach, their choice. Apparently the "all-volunteer" army needs some incentives to "volunteer". To me it's the old bait-n-switch, cause once you sign that paper, they own you for only $20k. Now that's a bargain."
i personally did it for college, some of us cant afford it and dont want to live in debt 5yrs after you get out. im not here for the money either. it truely is a different experience that someone the likes of you wouldnt understand, im currently in iraq right now as well posting this.

"You can troll on because you sir, are protected by the likes of us. We give our lives for your ability to rant about something that you're not able to comprehend. You can't face your inner fears, so you attack those strong enough to stare in the face of their own demons and stand for something."
very very true.

lol. Yeah, that must be it. Me attacking those joining the army for money and the opportunity to kill innocent men and women in distant lands is a sign of my fears. And save me the "honor speech" for one of the soldiers returning from Iraq in a body-bag. Like shortylickens just said, serving at the pleasure of the politicians is what you are doing, not defending my freedom. Fighting for mega-corporations in foreign countries is NOT defending the United States. You are a pawn, used for economic games and brinksmanship. If you seriously believe that you are fighting for freedom, then your ass really do belong in Iraq.

Yep, that must be it! :roll:


And when people sign up and get a whopping 0 dollar signing bonus, are they in it for the money as well?

Of course not. Those people I respect (if their reasons are traditions, respect for the uniform, or duty to serve). Those that irk me are the ones claiming to be doing it to save my ass. Bullshit. They don't know who the fuck I am yet they want to protect me? Save the tears, man. People who say garbage like that are confusing the nominal objectives of their jobs with their own objectives. Rarely is it one and the same. How do I know? Well, let's see if their enthuisiasm for protecting me ends when their contract is over or will they go into the private sector and selfishly work for themselves:laugh:.