Arnetts real problem

[Sxotty]

I personally have nothing against what arnett said, in fact all of his facts were completely true as far as I am concerned, the problem was any intelligent person realizes that Iraqi TV is propaganda, that is a fact. He said nothing wrong, but he said it in the wrong place, many liberal people have said the exact same thing.

I was watching a program and it was funny because the token liberal, and there was only one token conservative too don't worry were arguing when the comentator asked the liberal about Arnett, instead of saying he didn't deserve to be fired she said imeadiately the only problem she had was that he was not fired right when it went on the air, it was funny because the host was like woah, and so was I actually.

Arnett is a smart guy and I don't know why he did what he did, I certainly hope he had alterior motives such as finding where the hell the missing journalists that Iraq has misplaced are, since he is or was in charge of that effort.

 

[Mrburns2007]

He should NOT have gone on Iraqi TV when he was working for MSNBC that's why he got fired.

 

[Bleep]

I am probably as liberal as anyone could get. Here is my perspective on him. He is without a doubt the lowest form of life that I could imagine, if he ever returns to the US he should be tried and if possible his citizenship revoked.
I am behind our goverment in all aspects of this conflict, I cannot understand those that want our goverment to fail in this war. To wish this is to wish death and distruction on our people in the military.

Bleep

 

[Wag]

if he ever returns to the US he should be tried and if possible his citizenship revoked.

You ain't all that liberal if you don't believe in the 1st Amendment. Lol.

I agree he shouldn't have granted Iraqi TV an interview. But he has the right to make a fool of himself wherever he wants. It's not like he gave away (Geraldo) troop movements. He paid the price- he was fired.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Sxotty
I personally have nothing against what arnett said, in fact all of his facts were completely true as far as I am concerned, the problem was any intelligent person realizes that Iraqi TV is propaganda, that is a fact. He said nothing wrong, but he said it in the wrong place, many liberal people have said the exact same thing.

I was watching a program and it was funny because the token liberal, and there was only one token conservative too don't worry were arguing when the comentator asked the liberal about Arnett, instead of saying he didn't deserve to be fired she said imeadiately the only problem she had was that he was not fired right when it went on the air, it was funny because the host was like woah, and so was I actually.

Arnett is a smart guy and I don't know why he did what he did, I certainly hope he had alterior motives such as finding where the hell the missing journalists that Iraq has misplaced are, since he is or was in charge of that effort.

If his fact are completely true, why is the attack on baghdad beginning now?

 

[Sxotty]

Opinions and facts are different things, you can have a wrong opinion without lying, that is all I am saying.

Other than that he was just a silly man for going on tv

 

[Bleep]

You ain't all that liberal if you don't believe in the 1st Amendment

You dont know what you are talking about. The first ammendment does not give anyone the right to aid the enemy in time of war or any other time.
And I am a liberal, I did not vote for Bush and will not vote for him next election but there has to be a time when you have to become just a American and politics have to take a back seat, some people cannot understand that.

Every thread on here has turned into a Liberal vs Consertive word battle with little or no discussion on the conflict, I have been called a trator, A moron. and just today I need to go to a mental hospital. Even though I support the soldiers and the need to win the conflict but because I am a Democrat I must be a trator, a commie. or some kind of subversive.

Get real people the country is split almost 50 50 R and D but about 80% support the war how can you say that Democrats or Liberals do not support our President and our Goverment. I have done my share having been face to face with a enemy most on here has not, yet they judge me harshly because of my political affiliation, dont forget there are Democrats over there fighting also.

Bleep

 

[OFFascist]

My big problem with him is that he is a liar.

When he was being interviewed by NBC (or whatever) he was all apoligetic and whatever, but when he wrote his first report for the brit tabloid he was all indigigent and upset.

 

[Siddhartha]

In five years the reactions to Arnett's interview on Iraqi TV will considered a classic example of a knee-jerk overaction. I would not be surprised if he won a Pulitzer for having the courage to not repeat US military propaganda.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
In five years the reactions to Arnett's interview on Iraqi TV will considered a classic example of a knee-jerk overaction. I would not be surprised if he won a Pulitzer for having the courage to not repeat US military propaganda.

I think you have that backwards.

I would have been more impressed if he had the courage AND judgment to resist repeating Iraqi propaganda.

Peter will be long forgotten in 5 years as NO respectable journalism outlet will hire him. That is why he is working for an English tabloid; the equivalent of The National Enquirer in The United States.

Arnett is finished, forever.

 

[althor27]

And good riddance too.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
In five years the reactions to Arnett's interview on Iraqi TV will considered a classic example of a knee-jerk overaction. I would not be surprised if he won a Pulitzer for having the courage to not repeat US military propaganda.

I think you have that backwards.

I would have been more impressed if he had the courage AND judgment to resist repeating Iraqi propaganda.

Peter will be long forgotten in 5 years as NO respectable journalism outlet will hire him. That is why he is working for an English tabloid; the equivalent of The National Enquirer in The United States.

Arnett is finished, forever.

He needs to earn a living.

 

[althor27]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
In five years the reactions to Arnett's interview on Iraqi TV will considered a classic example of a knee-jerk overaction. I would not be surprised if he won a Pulitzer for having the courage to not repeat US military propaganda.

I think you have that backwards.

I would have been more impressed if he had the courage AND judgment to resist repeating Iraqi propaganda.

Peter will be long forgotten in 5 years as NO respectable journalism outlet will hire him. That is why he is working for an English tabloid; the equivalent of The National Enquirer in The United States.

Arnett is finished, forever.

He needs to earn a living.

Guess he should have thought of that before becoming a traiter. The fool just shot himself in the foot and is too stupid to even realize it.

 

[Wheezer]

And I am a liberal, I did not vote for Bush and will not vote for him next election but there has to be a time when you have to become just a American and politics have to take a back seat, some people cannot understand that.

VERY WELL PUT

 

[Wag]

You dont know what you are talking about. The first ammendment does not give anyone the right to aid the enemy in time of war or any other time.

How was he aiding the enemy? He said something you didn't like? Outside of having poor judgement, there was absolutely nothing he said that was a secret.

Good luck on trying him too- he's not an American, he's a Kiwi- If that's what you're really after, make sure you get your representative onboard with the Bush Administrations "Patriot II" act. If that gets through, all the things you hope for will come to fruition. A scary thought indeed.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Isnt Arnett from New Zealand?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Thats right he's from New Zeland.
But don't forget that we have taken the God given right to condem anyone who dosen't think the Conservative thoughts and chant the mantra.
Constitution be damned - it dosen't fit the framework of this admisnistration - get back on message.

 

[Tom]

Sxotty,

I think you got it just right in your opening message.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Wag

Good luck on trying him too- he's not an American, he's a Kiwi-

"A naturalized American citizen born in New Zealand, Arnett is practically the only Western reporter left in Baghdad."

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Thats right he's from New Zeland.
But don't forget that we have taken the God given right to condem anyone who dosen't think the Conservative thoughts and chant the mantra.
Constitution be damned - it dosen't fit the framework of this admisnistration - get back on message.

Kirk, you're an idiot.

Originally posted by: Wag

You dont know what you are talking about. The first ammendment does not give anyone the right to aid the enemy in time of war or any other time.

How was he aiding the enemy? He said something you didn't like? Outside of having poor judgement, there was absolutely nothing he said that was a secret.

Good luck on trying him too- he's not an American, he's a Kiwi- If that's what you're really after, make sure you get your representative onboard with the Bush Administrations "Patriot II" act. If that gets through, all the things you hope for will come to fruition. A scary thought indeed.

Wag, stop being paranoid, and stop being an idiot like Kirk.

Here's the problem:

You're an Iraqi. You only get to hear Iraqi TV and Al Jazeera. Both are telling you the same thing (that the infidels are losing and that you should start the Jihad). Then they get an English-speaking man that agrees with them to speak, and you hear him saying the same thing your government is saying. His statement was that this war was much harder than the US military thought and that we were having problems.

I think everyone would like to see this war end as quickly as possible, and 99% of the world's population would like to see Saddam go. What's the best way to have that happen? Have Saddam's people rise up against him.

Now let's pretend you're an Iraqi again. You hate Saddam, but every source for information from outside is saying that the "infidels" are having serious troubles. Then you see the English-speaking guy on TV affirming what your media sources have been saying. Does that make you more or less likely to rise up against your government. Look at Basra. They started to rise up when they thought that coalition forces were going to help them, but the British didn't go in until the next day, and by then the revolt had died down significantly. Why? Because they didn't want to die for nothing. As soon as they feared that the coalition forces might not back them up, they stopped what they were doing.

Now do you understand why what he said was wrong? The only reason anyone could possibly say that what he said wasn't a bad thing is if they either like Saddam or just hate America so much that they want as many of our soldiers to die as possible. Do you fit into either of those categories?

 

[Wag]

Wow. What a good debater- too bad I couldn't get past you calling me an "idiot" or I might have cared what you had to say.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

I think everyone would like to see this war end as quickly as possible, and 99% of the world's population would like to see Saddam go.

There's the rub. Alot of the people you wind up arguing with here would really rather us lose.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Wag
Wow. What a good debater- too bad I couldn't get past you calling me an "idiot" or I might have cared what you had to say.

Listen, I'm sorry if you're offended, but you do not believe that what he said was harmful and you said he wasn't an American citizen, both of which are flat-out wrong.

I'll tell you what, you tell me where I'm wrong, and I'll eat my words.

Again, I'm sorry, but if the shoe fits...

 

[CaptnKirk]

So I guess to NOT be an IDIOT there is only one view of this 'War', which is the 'Official' Bush as a hero side.
Excuse me but I do not go blindly jumping through hoops because those who can not think say jump.
And now get back on THE MESSAGE !

 

[CinderElmo]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Here's the problem:

You're an Iraqi. You only get to hear Iraqi TV and Al Jazeera. Both are telling you the same thing (that the infidels are losing and that you should start the Jihad). Then they get an English-speaking man that agrees with them to speak, and you hear him saying the same thing your government is saying. His statement was that this war was much harder than the US military thought and that we were having problems.

This is the most intelligent thing I have read here all day. The Iraqi propaganda machine crapped their pants when Arnett said those statements because he was giving 'aid and comfort' to the Iraqi people by telling them (falsely I might add) that the coalition attacks were failing. While he is entitled to his opinion, he is not entitled to say it in a way that helps the people whom are arrayed against our fighting men and women. It might have been just the one extra piece of propaganda that changed the mind of one soldier or militia man to fight just a little bit longer and kill a US/UK soldier who otherwise might have lived.

If you can't understand that, then you have no idea what propaganda means.