Arrow/Flash Super Thread!

[Aikouka]

FYI, they released a first look at Legends of Tomorrow, which is the spin-off series featuring Firestorm, Arrow, Canary (Sarah) and Hawkgirl.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/trailers/440415-the-trailer-for-dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-has-arrived

Flash last night was cool. Should have had more time devoted to the team up though. It still shows that Arrow is better than Flash even as a human.

I didn't really care for the episode that much. I think part of it is that I don't care much for Captain Cold on the show. The way he talks is just so weird.

I usually read the IGN reviews, because the comments can contain some interesting morsels... and utter garbage. Well, whenever the review scores are below maybe... an 8.5 ( or are worse than Agents of Shield ), people complain quite a bit. Well, the guy gave this one a 7.8, and he stated that it felt a lot like two episodes. Frankly, I agree with the guy. I think it made the fight between Flash + Firestorm + Arrow feel a bit rushed.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

FYI, they released a first look at Legends of Tomorrow, which is the spin-off series featuring Firestorm, Arrow, Canary (Sarah) and Hawkgirl.

http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/trailers/440415-the-trailer-for-dcs-legends-of-tomorrow-has-arrived



I didn't really care for the episode that much. I think part of it is that I don't care much for Captain Cold on the show. The way he talks is just so weird.

I usually read the IGN reviews, because the comments can contain some interesting morsels... and utter garbage. Well, whenever the review scores are below maybe... an 8.5 ( or are worse than Agents of Shield ), people complain quite a bit. Well, the guy gave this one a 7.8, and he stated that it felt a lot like two episodes. Frankly, I agree with the guy. I think it made the fight between Flash + Firestorm + Arrow feel a bit rushed.

I read the reviews at IGN too and I agree on a lot of them regarding Flash/Arrow. I 100% agreed about last night's episode.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/14/arrow-my-name-is-oliver-queen-review

Season 3 of Arrow has just been trash. I'm going to erase my memory of it all and think back to the Deathstroke/Arrow fight.

 

[lupi]

that clip is interesting, and some pretty big spoilers about the explosion at the end and the dead other girlfriend.

 

[Childs]

So...not only is Felicity smarter than Palmer, but she can use the suit better as well on her first try?

 

[lupi]

I didn't mind that as much as taking me 3 rewinds to understand what she said while in it.

 

[james1701]

A two hour finale like Agents would have been great. I like Capn Cold, and look forward to see how he ends up in Legends.

While I do agree this season was a little more lackluster than the previous two, but it was not trash. I was kind of let down by what happened after the child and the virus. They spend an entire season telling that story, and it just falls flat at the end.

 

[lupi]

think I mentioned that, or at least I meant to. the previous history clips so far had been really good parts of the show, this year they actually seemed a detraction.

 

[RossMAN]

The Flash was freakin' awesome, the last few minutes were awesome.

Did I mention it was awesome?

 

[Childs]

Yeah, Flash was bad ass this year. Kinda sucks that they did a cliffhanger, but the way they wrapped everything up was pretty good, except for the paradox of Eobard Thawne ceasing to exist should have destroyed the timeline he originally altered.

 

[techs]

I did not see the Flash surprise near the end coming. Nice. At first I didn't understand why Barry did not save his Mom, but I thought it was handled nicely.

I wonder if they will use the characters from the new show to help fix the cliffhanger, but iirc the new Legends show won't debut until 2016. So we might see a setup for the new team, but not its actual creation.

This season definitely revolved more around the Flash than the Arrow and I wonder how much of the creative team was spending more time on the Flash and leaving the Arrow shortchanged.

All and all a decent finale. Especially with so many bad finale/cliffhangers being part of other shows.

Looking forward to next season. Just hope the cancer lets me last long enough to see it.

 

[Newbian]

Yeah, Flash was bad ass this year. Kinda sucks that they did a cliffhanger, but the way they wrapped everything up was pretty good, except for the paradox of Eobard Thawne ceasing to exist should have destroyed the timeline he originally altered.

The flash's timeline would had been different if he had saved his mother but since the cop killed himself then up to that point everything would had stayed the same for the reverse flash I guess since nothing changed to his timeline until that moment.

 

[Childs]

The flash's timeline would had been different if he had saved his mother but since the cop killed himself then up to that point everything would had stayed the same for the reverse flash I guess since nothing changed to his timeline until that moment.

But the paradox is if Eddie dies in the past Eobard would have ceased to exist, so he shouldnt have been able to go back in time and kill Barry's Mom. Everything should have been reset to the prime timeline. Although it was implied that they are dealing with multiverse when we saw that golden age Flash helmet come through the wormhole. And they did say wormhole, which implies distance, not time.

 

[Aikouka]

Overall, I really liked the episode, but I was a bit underwhelmed at the beginning half. While I realize that Barry was making a huge decision, it made him seem a bit too mopey. In my opinion, that was one of the huge detractors on the Green Lantern movie (no one wants to see a hero be a big, whiny baby like Hal was). Probably the weirdest moment, and the IGN review mentioned it as well, is when Caitlyn asked, "What's a singularity?"

However, it was pretty awesome to see some of the nods in the series. Off the top of my head, I can recall Jay Garrick's (the first Flash) helmet flying through the wormhole, Caitlyn as Killer Frost during Barry's Speed Force visions, and Cisco (Vibe) having powers.

In regard to the CG, I did notice a few points where it didn't look so great, but overall, I think they did a good job for a TV show.

But the paradox is if Eddie dies in the past Eobard would have ceased to exist, so he shouldnt have been able to go back in time and kill Barry's Mom. Everything should have been reset to the prime timeline. Although it was implied that they are dealing with multiverse when we saw that golden age Flash helmet come through the wormhole. And they did say wormhole, which implies distance, not time.

That's the problem with time travel in anything. It's not exactly a real thing, so you can take liberties, but it's also very easy to have someone nitpick an implementation. There are some that we tend to forgive (Terminator) and others... not so much. I was kind of hoping that Thawne dying would reset things to bring back the real Wells, which means we'd get Cavanagh back for season two.

However, the one issue is that resetting everything would really screw things up. When Thawne was taking over Wells's body, he mentioned that he needed things to happen faster. That meant that Wells wouldn't have created the particle accelerator that would end up giving Barry his powers until later on. When the building starting collapsing, that's what I assumed was happening... Time was righting the fact that it shouldn't have existed.

EDIT:

Although, thinking about it... maybe removing Thawne from the picture simply made that alternate reality untenable, and the point of the singularity is Time removing it from existence? Crazy! D:

 

[Childs]

I was kind of hoping that Thawne dying would reset things to bring back the real Wells, which means we'd get Cavanagh back for season two.

Spoiler

It has already been confirmed he'll be back for season 2 as a regular.

When the building starting collapsing, that's what I assumed was happening... Time was righting the fact that it shouldn't have existed.

EDIT:

Although, thinking about it... maybe removing Thawne from the picture simply made that alternate reality untenable, and the point of the singularity is Time removing it from existence? Crazy! D:

Thats what I was thinking as well. It would have made more sense for everything to collapse on itself.

However, it was pretty awesome to see some of the nods in the series. Off the top of my head, I can recall Jay Garrick's (the first Flash) helmet flying through the wormhole, Caitlyn as Killer Frost during Barry's Speed Force visions, and Cisco (Vibe) having powers.

Also, I didnt pay attention Killer Frost and Vibe in the wormhole, I just assumed they were flashbacks from the season!

 

[Aikouka]

Spoiler

It has already been confirmed he'll be back for season 2 as a regular.

Yeah, I read about that, but I wasn't sure what character he would be back as.

Thats what I was thinking as well. It would have made more sense for everything to collapse on itself.

Honestly, that could be what's actually happening. That's sort of what happened in the New 52 Flash comics when Barry accidentally created a portal into the Speed Force, which caused a bit of a calamity. What I could see happening is that Barry tries to stop the singularity, but he ends up getting sent to an alternate dimension instead. We saw Jay Garrick's helmet, so he could end up going to a time where we end up with multiple people as The Flash.

Also, I didnt pay attention Killer Frost and Vibe in the wormhole, I just assumed they were flashbacks from the season!

Killer Frost was the only one that was shown off in the wormhole. It was very quick, and probably hard to notice since she had blonde hair instead of her usual brunette look. As for Cisco, his was mostly a hint during that scene where Thawne/Wells told Cisco that the accelerator explosion affected him too. I assumed he was saying that Cisco's vibration capability is what allowed him to "pick up on" the remnants of the previous timeline.

 

[Chocu1a]

Season Two-

Spoiler

Flash goes through wormhole to alternate reality/parallel Earth.
That is why Jay Garricks hat flew out of the first wormhole. Alternate realities. Same reason Caitlin was Killer Frost, Barry was in jail, all that.
Since Eddie died, Thawne never exists, Barry's mom never died. That is why wormhole reappears. Reality erased.
Cisco can feel the other realities. That is why he remembers his death in the reality that was changed the first time Flash broke the time barrier.
Dr. Wells still exists in this world. New heroes- Vibe, Hawk Girl. New villains- Killer Frost, Mirror Master, Eddy can be Cobalt Blue/Professor Zoom.
It was the reason Wells/Thawne kept checking the timeline. Exact same thing happens as is in 2024, but sooner, due to him creating the particle accelerator this time.

BOOM!

 

[techs]

Spoiler

I'm very glad Cavanagh is coming back. I also wonder what type of personality we will see from the original Cavanagh

I don't think that Cisco and Caitlyn are sufficient to act as leads at the "home" base of the particle accelerator. I thought maybe Martin Stein might take over the lead, but I still would like to see some variation similar to what we had this year with the triumvirate.

Some of the theories and lore from the alternate realities worry me that they might make the show too complex. I hope they keep the explanations simple and accessible to not only those who know the comic book lore but are not even willing to take the time to read up on it. The last think I want to start dealing with is the Golden Age Flash, just mho.

 

[RossMAN]

So Cisco is a metahuman, what is his super power exactly?

 

[Newbian]

So Cisco is a metahuman, what is his super power exactly?

He has the power of naming.

 

[Chocu1a]

So Cisco is a metahuman, what is his super power exactly?

In the comics he is "Vibe".
I think for the show, he can feel the vibrations from alternate timelines, that is why he can remember his death from the timeline Barry changed the first time he broke the time barrier.

 

[Eug]

1) Arrow didn't quite jump the shark in season 3, but at times came perilously close.
2) It would be fine to end here, but I see it has been renewed.
3) Amell's acting continues to be very stiff.
4) The romance with Felicity doesn't work.
5) The Flash's appearances in Arrow don't work well, and Arrow's appearances in The Flash also don't work well.

 

[Childs]

5) The Flash's appearances in Arrow don't work well, and Arrow's appearances in The Flash also don't work well.

I think the other cast members work well when crossing over, but yeah, Flash doesnt need Green Arrow for anything, and Flash could solve all of Green Arrow's problems in a few minutes. Maybe have Oliver show up to give advice or something, but Flash's villains are now on another level.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Been watching random episodes of Season 2 on Netflix. There's a huge difference in quality IMO.

I am interested in when they are going to introduce the Green Latern though.

 

[james1701]

I don't think they have the budget for a proper Green Lantern. I would rather not see them include him that put in some lame green spandex with a glowing ring and cheesy effects.

 

[lupi]

major arrow spoiler (though rather obvious if you watched the trailer for the new show).

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/08/legends-tomorrow-caity-lotz-white-canary