Arrow keys vs WSAD keys

[domsq]

I always thought it was WSAD (I think of it in terms of forward, backward, strafe left, strafe right).

 

[dragonfang]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: dragonfang
what kind of noob uses arrow keys?
pros know that wasd is a metaphor for up left down and right :roll:

Anyone with half a brain knows that. Want a cookie for stating the obvious?

:roll:

it was a joke

anyone with half a brain knows that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just like the OP
want a cookie for making a biased poll? and another for learning sarcasm 101? :roll:

 

[BFG10K]

why didn't you just say so?

I did, repeatedly. I've stated several times it's a derivative of GLQuake.

somehow i doubt it looks the *same* as the D3 engine

Where did I state it looked the *same* as D3?

 

[OCNewbie]

I use esdf + a for crouch/duck instead of wasd. This position gives you more access to nearby keys. I only really play Quake 2 DM online though. I use the same setup for single player HL2, Farcry, etc.

For Quake 2, I use right mouse for jump, left mouse for fire. Need to be able to hit jump twice quickly in Quake 2 for double jumps, etc. Having the short throw of the right mouse button versus a keyboard button makes more sense for this.

 

[skace]

Just the fact that Tenebrae was even mentioned is awesome.

 

[mrgq912]

I have used all three.

1st) I used the numpad arrow keys first. It was because of Mechwarrior 2 and 3, 4

2nd) I moved to arrow keys for a game called descent 1. But realized I needed more keys thus moved to the left side of the keyboard.

3rd) The left side of the keyboard (for the left hand) feels more natural to anyone having taking typing classes. Feeling the little braille type bump on the "F" key immediately orients my brain to where all the other keys are relative to where my index finger.
I started mainly using WADS because it was the default in many games, the F key is right next to my index finger to make me feel safe and secure.

 

[natep]

WASD feels more comfortable. If the keyboard and mouse are directly in front of you, your arms will be straighter if you use WASD and the mouse (right handed).

There are also more keys near WASD, making it more useful. For example, your thumb can easily rest on the spacebar for jumping.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why didn't you just say so?

I did, repeatedly. I've stated several times it's a derivative of GLQuake.

somehow i doubt it looks the *same* as the D3 engine

Where did I state it looked the *same* as D3?

sorry ... until i googled it i had *absolutely no idea* what you were posting about

you DID leave enough clues ... however
... thanks


and arrow keys are so ...

... old school
:brokenheart:

 

[MikeyLSU]

Other

Right Mouse-Forward
Side Mouse button- Alt Fire.
ASD-Strafe and backwards
Everything else the same as WASD

 

[exdeath]

WASD works for me.

Right hand on mouse.

Left hand on WASD.

Why? First it keeps my hands spaced apart evenly across the width of the screen/desk/etc at shoulder width.

Second, my left thumb can sit on the space bar, and I have quick touch only access to alt, shift, control, tab, ~, etc, all commonly used keys in gaming. Even F for flashlight is just a hop over from the D key.

I often bind 'shoot' to left mouse button and 'run' to right mouse button, so that I can, for example, take my hand off the keyboard for a moment to scratch my face while still being able to move, look, and shoot, with my right hand still on the mouse.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Other

Right Mouse-Forward
Side Mouse button- Alt Fire.
ASD-Strafe and backwards
Everything else the same as WASD

Glad to know I'm not the only one. People think I'm some kind of freak for always putting my 'forward' as the right mouse button.

At least I know people won't mess with my PC at LANs; nobody likes my config

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Other

Right Mouse-Forward
Side Mouse button- Alt Fire.
ASD-Strafe and backwards
Everything else the same as WASD

Glad to know I'm not the only one. People think I'm some kind of freak for always putting my 'forward' as the right mouse button.

At least I know people won't mess with my PC at LANs; nobody likes my config

I know the feeling. I think I switched to this from WASD sometime around Q3, my friend actually got me hooked on it. Since then, he switched back(got too lazy to switch every game)but I have stayed with it, as everything else seems awkward. Like you said, I like the idea of being able to walk forward and be able to aim, while using my left hand to move freely around the keyboard. Makes it easier IMO to switch to the weapon you want.

 

[Painman]

Num 5, 0: Forward/Backward
Num 4, 6: Strafe left/right
Num 2: Jump

Southpaw... been using this config almost forever now. I perform forward running jumps by flicking the first joint of my middle finger.

There's no "best", there's only what's best for the individual.

 

[CP5670]

Nice to see another numpad guy.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Painman


Num 5, 0: Forward/Backward
Num 4, 6: Strafe left/right
Num 2: Jump

Southpaw... been using this config almost forever now. I perform forward running jumps by flicking the first joint of my middle finger.

There's no "best", there's only what's best for the individual.

i used to believe that

some individuals think *smoking* is *best* for them
:Q

most people are too lazy to change to what is 'best' and rather stick with what is *comfortable* for them

i am struggling with the N52 ... but it IS superior for FPS over a KB [period]

 

[Maximilian]

So absolutely noone wants a game of HL2DM? lame...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Soviet
So absolutely noone wants a game of HL2DM? lame...

sure

over dialup?

and you are entitled to your *way* of doing things ... as long as it *works* for you and you can be competitive ... fine

but don't say your method is *superior*

there are a lot of old skoolers that are very good FPSers

me ... i am beyond old ... school


but am learning new *tricks* and i think i am better than i was when i used the arrow keys

and i think i will be even better when i master the n52

who knows ... but i am gonna try

and no doubt you'll hear all about it
:Q



peace and aloha

 

[Common Sense]

WASD and Arrow keys = suck


If you havn't tried ESDF, you don't know what you are missing. Index finger sittting on the F bump is nice, lots of surrounding keys, normal typing posssition...

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

The bottom line:
As long as you are competitive, it doesn't matter if you use a mouse and kb, controller, or what positions you use on the keyboard. Whatever works for you.

 

[homercles337]

I never understood the wasd setup. I use asdf + spacebar. You have FIVE fingers, use them.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: homercles337
I never understood the wasd setup. I use asdf + spacebar. You have FIVE fingers, use them.

Becasue you never walk forwards and backwards at the same time.

Plus, WASD allows you to use your pinkie for other things. For instance, Mine is always on shift or ctrl for walk/crouch.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Soviet
So absolutely noone wants a game of HL2DM? lame...

sure

over dialup?

and you are entitled to your *way* of doing things ... as long as it *works* for you and you can be competitive ... fine

but don't say your method is *superior*

there are a lot of old skoolers that are very good FPSers

me ... i am beyond old ... school


but am learning new *tricks* and i think i am better than i was when i used the arrow keys

and i think i will be even better when i master the n52

who knows ... but i am gonna try

and no doubt you'll hear all about it
:Q



peace and aloha

Yes as long as i win ill be satisfied lol. I know everyone should just stick to what works best for them, it just really surprised me that im in the minority for a change, that never happens. New feeling.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Soviet
What the hell?? 32 to 5??? Since when did everyone ditch the arrow keys!

I'd say shortly after Quake 2. Have you been living under a rock?

Why is this even a question????
Obviously WASD is far superior. There are many advantages to WASD. The first of which is being able to use your thumb on the space bar to jump. The other is that there are numerous other keys surrounding them that are quickly and easily accessible. There are NO advantages to using the arrow keys. Unless you need to look at the keys each time to figure out what they do and the little arrow signs help you remember which one is forward and which one's are backwards, left, and right. And if that's the case, you've got issues.

And for you freaks who use the right mouse button for forward, that's just wrong on so many levels. There's something very unnatural about it.

mm hmmm... Well i bet us "freaks" could maul your sorry ass at any FPS out there. (barring bf2 because it sucks and CSS because its stupid)

If you read the post, you'd see that you aren't one of the "freaks". I was talking about people who use one of the mouse buttons for forward. Hey, if that works for them, great. It just seems very weird to me to use your right hand and mouse for forward, but your left hand for backward.

Maybe you are better than me and maybe you aren't. I've never played you, so I don't know. And unlike you, I'm not going to claim I could "maul your sorry ass" just to try to sound cool. I never claimed that people who use arrow keys are inferior players. In fact, I never said that playing with WASD would make you more likely to win. It's just more convenient and makes it easier to have more functions quickly accessible. Things like crouching, going prone, jumping, reloading, opening doors (use), sprinting, picking up other player's weapon kits, zooming in and out of a minimap, changing view in a vehicle, etc. The bottom line is that WASD gives you a lot more easily accessible keys to map to whatever you want and there are NO DISADVANTAGES.

EDIT: I just read your updates and I think you're missing the point. Of course, I didn't read every single post, so if other people are claiming they can kick your ass just because they use WASD, go ahead and prove them wrong. Like I said, it's a question of which is optimal and I think that answer is clear. Unless you can point out a disadvantage to WASD?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Soviet
What the hell?? 32 to 5??? Since when did everyone ditch the arrow keys!

I'd say shortly after Quake 2. Have you been living under a rock?

Why is this even a question????
Obviously WASD is far superior. There are many advantages to WASD. The first of which is being able to use your thumb on the space bar to jump. The other is that there are numerous other keys surrounding them that are quickly and easily accessible. There are NO advantages to using the arrow keys. Unless you need to look at the keys each time to figure out what they do and the little arrow signs help you remember which one is forward and which one's are backwards, left, and right. And if that's the case, you've got issues.

And for you freaks who use the right mouse button for forward, that's just wrong on so many levels. There's something very unnatural about it.

mm hmmm... Well i bet us "freaks" could maul your sorry ass at any FPS out there. (barring bf2 because it sucks and CSS because its stupid)

If you read the post, you'd see that you aren't one of the "freaks". I was talking about people who use one of the mouse buttons for forward. Hey, if that works for them, great. It just seems very weird to me to use your right hand and mouse for forward, but your left hand for backward.

Maybe you are better than me and maybe you aren't. I've never played you, so I don't know. And unlike you, I'm not going to claim I could "maul your sorry ass" just to try to sound cool. I never claimed that people who use arrow keys are inferior players. In fact, I never said that playing with WASD would make you more likely to win. It's just more convenient and makes it easier to have more functions quickly accessible. Things like crouching, going prone, jumping, reloading, opening doors (use), sprinting, picking up other player's weapon kits, zooming in and out of a minimap, changing view in a vehicle, etc. The bottom line is that WASD gives you a lot more easily accessible keys to map to whatever you want and there are NO DISADVANTAGES.

EDIT: I just read your updates and I think you're missing the point. Of course, I didn't read every single post, so if other people are claiming they can kick your ass just because they use WASD, go ahead and prove them wrong. Like I said, it's a question of which is optimal and I think that answer is clear. Unless you can point out a disadvantage to WASD?

The forward button on the mouse allows the bare minimal control with a single hand, should you need to quickly and temporarily use your keyboard hand for something else, say like scratching an itch, taking a bite of your dinner while you instagib people, etc.

If you are caught with your pants down with your off-hand off the keyboard in that brief instant, you can still move, shoot, and look. Back and strafe is secondary, as you can look in the direction you want to move with the mouse. Just flip a 180 and you are going backwards, etc.

If your forward key is on the keyboard, you have to stop running for a few seconds, and you either lose time or you are a sitting duck.

With run on the mouse, you can keep on running all by yourself on that 10 mile run to the flag while you use you other hand to eat, etc, without having to stop.

Or when things are calm and idle, you can still explore, run around, shoot, etc. with your mouse hand while your keyboard hand can be idle, since your mouse hand is always in use anyway.

 

[Smilin]

I hadn't really considered scratching your nuts while you play a desireable feature in a keyboard layout but it makes sense I guess.