Discussion Arrow Lake Builder's thread

[igor_kavinski]

I'm not getting one unless I get really lucky in selling my 12700K/Z790 build but I know at least one person on this forum is going to jump on one (you know who you are!).

Discuss your reasons for wanting one, what components you will select, how long you intend it to last for you and what kind of applications/games do you think it would be great at.

I normally wouldn't care that much about Intel but they HAVE progressed the CPU scene in one important way. 285K will be the first consumer non-workstation CPU in history with 24 REAL cores and zero virtual cores. They went past the limit of 16 real cores that was originally set by AMD.

If you are into doing stuff with VMs, that matters. A LOT.

 

[Det0x]

Listen carefully to this from 18:48, concerning cudimm (ckd)

Kinda sounds like CKD helps bring memoryspeed up to lets say 8000MT/s on even weak 2DPC motherboards, but the CKD chip cant handle the higher speeds such as 8500 and above
So its good for cheap motherboards, but for high memoryspeeds you need to run it in bypassmode (disable the chip)

*edit*

Also a other tidbit for potential builders

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hmm...so for anything above the basic DDR5-6400, it's gonna be kind of an experimental beta platform. That sucks. I was hoping that DDR5-9000 would be possible even on lame samples.

 

[poke01]

I normally wouldn't care that much about Intel but they HAVE progressed the CPU scene in one important way. 285K will be the first consumer non-workstation CPU in history with 24 REAL cores and zero virtual cores. They went past the limit of 16 real cores that was originally set by AMD

Didn’t Intel already do this with the 13900K?

Also for VMs I would rather get a 9950X3D when it comes out. It’s far superior to 285K, yes more expensive but you pay $$$ for the best CPU.

I think 285K will only be good for creator's and video editing, mainly cause of that iGPU which is great. I just can’t recommend a platform with one generation of CPU support too.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Didn’t Intel already do this with the 13900K?

Yes but Gracemont is crap in comparison to Skymont. Also, you need to turn HT off with 13900K. It messes with your mind in that you wonder, why not go with HT and benefit from extra threads, except when those virtual threads cause performance regressions in some workloads. With 285K, you have none of these issues.

BUT if Bartlett Lake comes out with 12 P-cores, HT and AVX-512, I would prefer that over eight Lion Cove cores, unless benchmarks show that Bartlett is pathetic.

 

[phillyman36]

Since a family member and a friends kid needs a pc Im waiting for reviews but this is what i have in mind. (most of the equipment is in my pc already.
265k
Asus z890 Strix
Samsung 990 4tb Nvme
Noctua d15 Chromax Black
Seasonic vertex 1000 watt psu
Msi Rtx 4080.
Not sure on what memory to get. Im not really an overclocker i just set xmp and be done with it. Any suggestions on what speed i should get?

I usually run 2 pcs. I in my bedroom that i do my video encoding, watching twitch streams, web surfing and have my financials on. The other pc is used for gaming only in my middle room. Im thinking of doing a 9900x and a 265k rig.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Not sure on what memory to get. Im not really an overclocker i just set xmp and be done with it. Any suggestions on what speed i should get?

Anything above 6400 MT/s for sure. My 12700K already takes advantage of DDR5-7000 in games so you should at least try to get a DDR5-8200 XMP kit, preferably 2x24GB or 2x48GB if you really wanna go high. The denser chips seem to help in some productivity applications according to benchmarks I've seen on Tomshardware (mostly in Adobe applications).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Im thinking of doing a 9900x and a 265k rig.

May wanna replace that 9900X with 7950X, unless you are sure that you want to take advantage of 512-bit AVX-512 performance uplift.

 

[phillyman36]

Anything above 6400 MT/s for sure. My 12700K already takes advantage of DDR5-7000 in games so you should at least try to get a DDR5-8200 XMP kit, preferably 2x24GB or 2x48GB if you really wanna go high. The denser chips seem to help in some productivity applications according to benchmarks I've seen on Tomshardware (mostly in Adobe applications).

Will do thanks. Im waiting for Asus to post they memory QVL then ill look for some in that range.

 

[phillyman36]

May wanna replace that 9900X with 7950X, unless you are sure that you want to take advantage of 512-bit AVX-512 performance uplift.

I figured i rather have it and not need it vs Need it then not have it. I could go 9950x since ill get 200 bucks for my old cpu to reduce the cost.

 

[phillyman36]

Hoping to see others builds soon. Wondering what cooling solutions most will go for as well.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think this time no one will opt for anything above a 360mm AIO, unless they want to run the 285K with extreme profile and void their warranty.

 

[phillyman36]

I think this time no one will opt for anything above a 360mm AIO, unless they want to run the 285K with extreme profile and void their warranty.

I know we have to wait for reviews but im guessing a d15 should be good enough for stock settings (285k) when running things like handbrake or any sort of short video rendering/encoding?

 

[igor_kavinski]

I know we have to wait for reviews but im guessing a d15 should be good enough for stock settings (285k) when running things like handbrake or any sort of short video rendering/encoding?

D15 max TDP seems to be 220W. I dunno. At full tilt, it may struggle with a 285K.

 

[Kocicak]

I am writing from a 265K system with ordinary 6000 MHz cl36 memory, is this result in line with what is expected?

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an Intel Core Ultra 7 265K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[gdansk]

No that looks lower than I expected
By 5-10%

 

[igor_kavinski]

I am writing from a 265K system with ordinary 6000 MHz cl36 memory, is this result in line of what is expected?

You do have better MT in many tests compared to 9800X3D DDR5-6000: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/8477557?baseline=8484750

 

[igor_kavinski]

@Kocicak , time for you to tweak the hell out of the cheap DDR5 to see how much more performance you can eek out of your investment.

 

[Kocicak]

Back from my normal system - I had balanced power plan in Windows, I wonder if that was not part of the problem. I will not test anything more today.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I had balanced power plan in Windows

Please try to set Ultimate Power Plan and turn off any power saving features and test when you are in the mood. We need to see what Arrow Lake is really capable of, at default TDP limits of course. I'm thinking since this is Intel's first TSMC overclockable silicon, they are still discovering things about it themselves.

 

[Golgatha]

Yes but Gracemont is crap in comparison to Skymont. Also, you need to turn HT off with 13900K. It messes with your mind in that you wonder, why not go with HT and benefit from extra threads, except when those virtual threads cause performance regressions in some workloads. With 285K, you have none of these issues.

BUT if Bartlett Lake comes out with 12 P-cores, HT and AVX-512, I would prefer that over eight Lion Cove cores, unless benchmarks show that Bartlett is pathetic.

You know, regardless of generation, I don't consider e-cores as a full core to work with. Also, it's a hybrid architecture which is always going to have more bugs than a CPU with all identical cores. I mainly game on my PC, so the X3D is where it's at for me anyway. I guess my opinion doesn't matter to those selling CPUs with more than 8 cores in that light.

Now for media consumption and light on the go computing, I don't mind these hybrid CPUs as much. Heck, I even recently bought a laptop with a Intel Core i3 1215U in it for just those purposes; namely to have a lightweight, personal computer to use while traveling.

 

[Kocicak]

Well, what I should really do is to reinstall windows, I used an SSD from Z790 system, the ASUS utility just installed some drivers and it seemed to work well, beside one black screen.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Now for media consumption and light on the go computing, I don't mind these hybrid CPUs as much. Heck, I even recently bought a laptop with a Intel Core i3 1215U in it for just those purposes; namely to have a lightweight, personal computer to use while traveling.

Yeah. Intel really should've kept hybrid cores for mobile only. Maybe they would've done that if they weren't so desperate to win at Cinememe so much on desktop...

 

[igor_kavinski]

Woahhhh: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...akes-discussion-threads.2606448/post-41323508

Kocicak! Quick, turn both on! The Performance Profile in BIOS and Memory Integrity in Windows and retest GB6!

 

[lopri]

I am interested, but is there any word about the follow-up? Will there be an upgrade path for socket 1851?