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Kocicak

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Not all pads are the same size, probably to keep distance from the other pads for isolation or prevention of electromagnetic interference.
 
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OK, so it's up and running.

Will post some screenshots in a while. Took me about 3 hours to build (because I go very slow for fear of messing up and ruining something too expensive for me to replace). Also, it was my first ever AIO build. As much as I hate huge air cooled heatsinks, an AIO cooler is not that easy to install, with MANY cables to connect. But I can see already that even though the first time was somewhat difficult, repeat removals and installations should be much quicker than dealing with almost 900g of hunk of metal that you actually want to smash into stuff when you get impatient with them.

@Kocicak, I'm on Win11 23H2 and not going to connect to the internet to update for a while until I explore some more the out of the box performance of this "failed" but interesting Intel hybrid CPU generation. Do you still have your 265K? Maybe we can be the best of buddies and share benchmarks and tips on how to squeeze more perf out of this thing?
 

Kocicak

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I do not have it anymore, I had it just shortly, originally I got it only to see how much it bends in the socket.

I am still attempting to sell one of my 14900K and 13900KS, and I intend to use the second one for some more time.
 
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My scores so far:



Anyone have a simple request that doesn't involve gigabytes of downloading, will be happy to oblige.
 
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The max ring limit has to do with the new segmentation of the P core locations. Because there is a group of P cores in the middle of the E-cores, ring max tends to be limited to around 4200 mhz. On SKU’s where this middle group is not present (example: 245k) you can get up to 4.4 ghz. So you have a delta penalty of 200 mhz for the middle group of p-cores enabled).

I did NOT know that. Guess I got lucky. Maybe this is the reason why the 245K is beating both 265K and 285K in some of TPU's benchmarks.
 

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Do Arrow Lake CPUs undervolt well at all based on yall experiences? How far are you guys able to push it usually?
 
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Haven't tried undervolting. It involves turning off some safeguards in BIOS which I'm not sure I want to do. There isn't much I would get from undervolting anyway. My 245KF goes up to 5.5 GHz (if task manager is to be believed) and that seems enough for me.
 
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Win11 score P53 E49:



Win Server 2019 stock @ XMP 8200C38:



Win Server 2019 P53 E49 Ring 44 NGU 33 D2D 34 XMP 8200C38:



Y-cruncher stable and beating TPU's stock Ryzen 7900 in V-ray.




Notice the Win11 overhead. Under Win Server 2019, 5.11 GHz is faster than 5.25 GHz in Win11!
 
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Thanks to Process Lasso, I was able to isolate Lion Cove and Skymont performance (verified via Task Manager that the Lion Cove core stayed idle).

First up is Lion Cove:



And here is Skymont:



Lion Cove per core performance: 2,253.833 vsamples

Skymont per core performance: 1,777.875 vsamples

(ignore the frequency. probably being fed to V-ray by Windows erroneously)
 
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^^^ It says 9 cores but I kept Task Manager open during the entire process and the first and only Lion Cove core showed no activity.
 

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Didn't see this David Huang's Arrow Lake review for 255H posted (chinese, but machine-translates almost flawlessly):


His conclusion "TSMC can't save Intel: Core Ultra 7 255H (Arrow Lake H45)" but it's well worth it to read the entire article.

Some quotes:
When the 6 large cores and 8 small cores are tested separately, each set of cores can generate more than 50W of power consumption, and when the two sets of cores work at the same time, the peak power consumption even exceeds 100W. . Fortunately, the model used for the test can easily cope with 100W of continuous power consumption, which allows us to fully demonstrate the performance of the Arrow Lake H45 processor.

Cache and Memory

In terms of large cores, Arrow Lake H45 has 3 MB of L2 cache capacity, which is 0.5 MB more than Lunar Lake; at the same time, the L3 cache capacity has reached 24 MB, which is twice that of Lunar Lake. However, this improvement is not without cost: Arrow Lake H45 inherits the low ring frequency problem of Meteor Lake, even if its core runs at 5.1 GHz, the ring frequency is only 3.9 GHz. In contrast, Lunar Lake can reach a ring frequency of 4.4 GHz when the core runs at 4.8 GHz.


Big Core


When testing memory access, we found that Arrow Lake performs similarly to Lunar Lake at the L0, L1, and L2 levels. However, when it comes to the L3 level, its performance characteristics begin to get closer to Meteor Lake. At the 8 MB test point, the latency of the 255H reached 75 cycles, close to the 81 cycles of the 155H, and much higher than the 59 cycles of the 258V and the 45 cycles of the HX 370. Although the 255H has a much larger L3 capacity than the HX 370, the cost of accessing L3 is 80% higher than that of the HX 370, which will greatly offset the hit rate advantage of this layer of cache. This phenomenon will also be reflected in the subsequent SPEC integer test results.

Small Core


Arrow Lake's small cores perform more like Lunar Lake's LPE cores with L3 cache added to them. The 255H's small cores have exactly the same latency characteristics as the 258V in the L1 and L2 ranges, and are similar to the 155H in terms of L3 and memory.

But there is a lot more. SPEC results, efficiency graphs, etc
 
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I entered my son in a giveaway by a content creator for a PC upgrade and he was selected. It is sponsored by Intel and will be on the Z890 platform but I don't know which CPU yet. He currently has a Ryzen 5600X. Curious to see any recommendations for best settings for the CPU regarding undervolting and light overclocking. Any good videos or web articles for that?
 
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