Ars: AMD may be irrelevant

[Meghan54]

A true IT expert at Ars:
"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

My degree is in chemistry and I am a server/storage architect by trade. What is your point?

He has none. He cannot conceptualize that finishing a degree in college demonstrates that one can at least do rudimentary research and fashion something coherent from said research, a skill which transfers to almost any field of endeavor.

But, you know kids these days, they cannot fathom the fact that someone can actually learn useful, factual information outside their sphere of formal education and apply it.

BTW.....there are reasons medical schools take candidates that aren't the traditional Chemistry/Biology B.S. graduates.

 

[Idontcare]

A person's aptitude and capability is neither defined by nor detailed within the print of a diploma.

 

[inf64]

Judging by his ironic comments on author's credibility (before he learned he was an ex AMD employee for 20 years,lol) just because he doesn't like the article I very much doubt it was a compliment. I pretty much agree with everything rest you said.

The author of the article I commented on was AMD's employee for 20 years?Really? Maybe go back and actually read what was posted before you post nonsense? I was commenting on the academic background of Andrew Cunningham and not Paul Teich. But you can't help it,you gotta post nonsense.

 

[Ferzerp]

A person's aptitude and capability is neither defined by nor detailed within the print of a diploma.

And let me tell you, the challenge, reward, etc are much, much, much better with what I've chosen to do with my life than even if I had reached the absolute highest levels in chemistry (and sucked up 4+ more years of boredom with even more school).

 

[atomheart]

And let me tell you, the challenge, reward, etc are much, much, much better with what I've chosen to do with my life than even if I had reached the absolute highest levels in chemistry (and sucked up 4+ more years of boredom with even more school).

Correct me if I interpreted that wrong, but why would you study chemistry in the first place if you found if boring?

 

[VirtualLarry]

If AMD can continue to have design wins, and can be inside every e-machines computer sold at Walmart, and can profit from that, then so much the better.
I admit, their CPUs are "mediocre" compared to Intel, but that's what happens when Intel has the process lead advantage over the entire industry.

I look forward to Trinity and especially Jaguar. I could use a quad-core netbook, with 7 hours battery life like my C-60 Acer Aspire 722.

 

[blastingcap]

Even Intel and Nvidia fans should be cheering on AMD. Without AMD, say hello to higher prices.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Even Intel and Nvidia fans should be cheering on AMD. Without AMD, say hello to higher prices.

Intel wont have higher prices. Thats for sure.

 

[piesquared]

Being 1.5-3x faster than the competition, depending on the application, is hardly irrelevant. AMD is just getting started.

 

[hans007]

you dont have to be the fastest to be relevant.

if anything AMD probably is more willing to build an ARM line as well, which intel is not. which would make intel irrelevant.

these AMD is dead articles have been around forever. AMD is a design firm at this point. they have good designs for the fab process and product lines they are targeting.

they can always move to do somethign else. i mean companies like cirrus logic or trident used to make video cards. but they were engineering firms. those companies do things like LCD panel controllers now, they are still there, just no one cares about them in video cards now. AMD will exist in some form as it is. by extension x86 may be irrelevant in the future... and we've also read that article 1000s of times too.

 

[thilanliyan]

Correct me if I interpreted that wrong, but why would you study chemistry in the first place if you found if boring?

I was wondering the same thing.

I was lucky in that I chose something that I like to do in university and knew fairly early on I would do it, but I guess not everyone finds out exactly what they like to do so quickly.

 

[hans007]

Correct me if I interpreted that wrong, but why would you study chemistry in the first place if you found if boring?

i realize replying to this kind of makes the thread go off on a tangent more.

i probably knew i had to do something computer related when i was 7-8 years old and ended up majoring in CS , and do well programming now.

that said most people go to college at 18. peopel have lots of reasons for majoring in whatever. maybe he didnt know then. maybe chemistry was practical and he thought you had to do something practical with his life blah blah blah. maybe he didnt discover that chemistry was boring until after he was nearly finished with his degree.

if anything applaud the guy for not sticking with it and spending the rest of his life doing something he hated.

i've got actaully several friends who majored in CS because it was "practical / up and coming / paid well / etc" who hated it, and are now high school teachers and project manager types. so it happens to lots of people.

 

[Subyman]

My degree is in nuclear engineering and I'm making iOS apps. My skill set is much more varied than what is printed on a document.

 

[gus6464]

My fiancee has a Bachelors in Literature and a Masters in Library Science and manages the database for a scientific publisher. She is a freaking wiz in Oracle and puts me to shame even though my degree is closer to the "IT" field. What you went to school for means nothing nowadays.

 

[guskline]

On a lighter note do we all have, to some degree (myself included) a B.S in BS?

 

[gus6464]

On a lighter note do we all have, to some degree (myself included) a B.S in BS?

I know I do!

 

[Ferzerp]

All of you people who think everyone makes a career out of their degree must be pretty young. Especially when the career is in a pretty advanced area of IT. There is no education that prepares you for what I do. If anyone claims there is, they are lying.

 

[kelco]

Any benchs of the 8 core on windows 8? Something about better utilization of the FX chip due to scheduling and whatnot.

I wouldn't say they're irrelevant. Cyrix was irrelevant. The FX is still pretty decent, and I gurantee you don't want a monopoly in this market.

 

[piesquared]

Any benchs of the 8 core on windows 8? Something about better utilization of the FX chip due to scheduling and whatnot.

I wouldn't say they're irrelevant. Cyrix was irrelevant. The FX is still pretty decent, and I gurantee you don't want a monopoly in this market.

I agree but just wanted to say that we already have a monopoly. Thankfully AMD is such a fiesty competitor that they can still out innovate inetl and stay very relevant with very compelling products.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

*shrug* I did a PhD in RF and fiber-optics. Now working in chip design

 

[Idontcare]

On a lighter note do we all have, to some degree (myself included) a B.S in BS?

B.S. = Bull Sh!t

M.S. = More Sh!t

Ph.D. = Piled Higher and Deeper

 

[CHADBOGA]

I agree but just wanted to say that we already have a monopoly. Thankfully AMD is such a fiesty competitor that they can still out innovate inetl and stay very relevant with very compelling products.

LOL Tell us more about this out innovating fantasy you have.

 

[georgec84]

Still holding, I'll probably be dumb enough to hold all the way to zero. Yes, it's completely illogical, but at this point I can only lose a few grand on paper.

If they manage any kind of pop I'll be out though. Forget making a profit, they get back to $5 and I'm out.

I should have sold last year when they were around $9/share. I stayed in greedily. I only have a couple hundred shares, but...ugh.

 

[Blitzvogel]

If AMD can continue to have design wins, and can be inside every e-machines computer sold at Walmart, and can profit from that, then so much the better.
I admit, their CPUs are "mediocre" compared to Intel, but that's what happens when Intel has the process lead advantage over the entire industry.

I look forward to Trinity and especially Jaguar. I could use a quad-core netbook, with 7 hours battery life like my C-60 Acer Aspire 722.

Knowing Intel's 22nm capabilities, they can produce low speed/ULV i3s with HD 2500 that will beat Jaguar on all fronts and perhaps have just as good power usage. Intel has the financial capacity to sell it at cheap margins too just to keep AMD out of the game. Jaguar @ 28 nm needs to be significantly smaller than i3 @ 22nm (hence cheaper) and have 10W-range TDP to really prevent being caught by ULV i3.

 

[cytg111]

So we are back to the same excuses again?

More performance than you need.
Future will change everything with OpenCL.
Not optimized for the CPU.
Multithreading.
Drivers will fix it.
Windows 8 will fix it.
Microsoft hotfix will improve it.
Windows 9 will unleash the power of bulldozer/pilediver/steamroller.
Power consumption aint relevant.
AMD stocks can only go up.
Everyone wants to play on APUs.
The next CPU will fix everything and be super good.

Did I miss any?

Trinity offers maginal GPU improvements with a sidegrade in CPU performance. And then all at a higher powerconsumption and a bigger chip.

Seems the iGPU lead will be gone next year unless Intel really fumbles.

AMD is getting closer to become another VIA every day.

What is Intel doing ?
SB -> IB 5%
IB -> Haswell 10%
If Intel continues this path, what the hell should keep AMD from 'catching up' .. besides of course, keep designing new chips that performs worse than before.. But aside from that? Plus, i feel a merger coming on somewhere down the road.