Ars: AMD may be irrelevant

[Phynaz]

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/op-ed-amd-may-be-facing-irrelevance/

They speak about AMD not seeming to have a strategy to get out of the hole they are in.

Mirrors what Cnet had to say a few months ago.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57448692-92/is-amd-still-relevant/

 

[busydude]

OT: Phynaz, did you dump AMD stocks or still holding onto them?

 

[Mopetar]

At this point, not digging themselves in deeper until they can figure out an actual way to go about getting out would be good.

 

[inf64]

A true IT expert at Ars:

Andrew Cunningham / Andrew has a B.A. in Classics from Kenyon College

"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

 

[thilanliyan]

A true IT expert at Ars:
"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

Not doubting the accuracy/inaccuracy of the article but just had to LOL at that.

 

[Phynaz]

OT: Phynaz, did you dump AMD stocks or still holding onto them?

Still holding, I'll probably be dumb enough to hold all the way to zero. Yes, it's completely illogical, but at this point I can only lose a few grand on paper.

If they manage any kind of pop I'll be out though. Forget making a profit, they get back to $5 and I'm out.

 

[Phynaz]

A true IT expert at Ars:
"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

My daughter has a masters degree in archaeology and works in finance. What's your point?

 

[inf64]

My daughter has a masters degree in archaeology and works in finance. What's your point?

Wow, kudos to the firm that hired her!

 

[Hacp]

My daughter has a masters degree in archaeology and works in finance. What's your point?

Finance =/= Engineering.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Finance =/= Engineering.

What the hell does this have to do with engineering? LMAO.

The story is talking about AMD having no strategy to get out of their economic hole, which BTW, has to do with finance.

You don't need to be an engineer to make comments in an article about how Intel has higher single-threaded performance or Hyper-Threading, for example. Most people here understand that.

 

[SPBHM]

A true IT expert at Ars:
"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

irrelevant, people can acquire knowledge in many different ways, also he can have an opinion on everything, if he wants.

not that I agree with what he has written...

 

[Mallibu]

Wow, kudos to the firm that hired her!

In your little happy planet every employee is graduate from the appropriate college/school, in this one people that are excellent at their jobs can have degrees from different areas. Especially in IT that is very often the case since CS degrees hold little value in what one does or does not know. You seem to ignore what happens around you and always attack the person when his opinion doesn't agree with yours. Enlighten us why your opinion should weigh more than anyone and your Master's/Phd field and in the same time stop acting like a bitter miserable fool.

 

[inf64]

I actually respect people who worked hard in their respective areas and became successful in them. That is not to say that they can't work in other fields,it's just that their knowledge won't be on par with those who had specialized in those areas of work. It's just how the things work out in real world.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Finance =/= Engineering.

The author is not designing chips. He is simply looking at the general landscape of the CPU market.
You don't need an engineering degree to do that. You may not agree with his conclusions but it seems unfair to basically insult him because of the degree that he has.

 

[JohnnyChuttz]

When the speculation is :

though the CPUs aren't quite capable of beating last year's Sandy Bridge processors at similar clock speeds.

AMD is irrelevant. Why even bother releasing a new processor series that can't even come close to Intel's last generation procs?

 

[AtenRa]

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/op-ed-amd-may-be-facing-irrelevance/

They speak about AMD not seeming to have a strategy to get out of the hole they are in.

Mirrors what Cnet had to say a few months ago.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57448692-92/is-amd-still-relevant/

I will just leave this here, its what the future brings

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-trinity-graphics_10.html#sect0

 

[carop]

AMD has definitely been irrelevant in the lucrative enterprise server market because of the Barcelona delay and the introduction of the Nehalem microarchitecture. Nehalem was the true game changer and AMD has not yet came up with an answer.

The following observation is from Paul Teich who recently served as a Marketing Fellow in Advanced Micro Devices’ (AMD) Corporate Strategy group:

I believe that AMD has fallen so far behind in the enterprise server market that Intel simply doesn’t need to court HP, Dell and IBM or their IT customers in mainstream IT markets. By the numbers, AMD has its lowest server market share in a decade and as of right now.

http://www.moorinsightsstrategy.com/intel-developer-forum-2012-datacenter-and-microserver-observations/

 

[Mallibu]

I will just leave this here, its what the future brings

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-trinity-graphics_10.html#sect0

The same was said about the FX. "8 threads is the future" and we all know how that worked out. Mind elaborating why APU OpenCL especially is the future, and how it is gonna affect the market in the following years?

 

[KingFatty]

In your little happy planet every employee is graduate from the appropriate college/school, in this one people that are excellent at their jobs can have degrees from different areas. Especially in IT that is very often the case since CS degrees hold little value in what one does or does not know. You seem to ignore what happens around you and always attack the person when his opinion doesn't agree with yours. Enlighten us why your opinion should weigh more than anyone and your Master's/Phd field and in the same time stop acting like a bitter miserable fool.

Well, saying kudos to the firm that hired her could be a sincere statement, actually complimenting firms that are willing to think outside the box and hire people that aren't pre-packaged or from a certain mold.

I don't know if the original kudos statement was intended to convey dripping sarcasm, but I think your interpretation overlooks any other possibility. I'm just trying to be a little optimistic and see it as an actual compliment for firms to hire and give people a chance without dismissing them out-of-hand based on a resume. I think the world would be a better place if everyone was hired on their own merits and not based on their schooling/resume, so kudos to firms that encourage that.

 

[Phynaz]

The following observation is from Paul Teich who recently served as a Marketing Fellow in Advanced Micro Devices’ (AMD) Corporate Strategy group:

He spent 20 years at AMD. It could be said he is partly responsible for the position AMD is in now.

 

[Phynaz]

I will just leave this here, its what the future brings

Did you even bother to read the articles? They are about corporate strategy, not cherry picked benchmarks.

 

[beginner99]

I will just leave this here, its what the future brings

Sure yeah. Most developers haven't even figured out multi-threading yet. I will rather bet on a ISA extension that only requires a recompile.

 

[Mallibu]

Well, saying kudos to the firm that hired her could be a sincere statement, actually complimenting firms that are willing to think outside the box and hire people that aren't pre-packaged or from a certain mold.

I don't know if the original kudos statement was intended to convey dripping sarcasm, but I think your interpretation overlooks any other possibility. I'm just trying to be a little optimistic and see it as an actual compliment for firms to hire and give people a chance without dismissing them out-of-hand based on a resume. I think the world would be a better place if everyone was hired on their own merits and not based on their schooling/resume, so kudos to firms that encourage that.

Judging by his ironic comments on author's credibility (before he learned he was an ex AMD employee for 20 years,lol) just because he doesn't like the article I very much doubt it was a compliment. I pretty much agree with everything rest you said.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So we are back to the same excuses again?

More performance than you need.
Future will change everything with OpenCL.
Not optimized for the CPU.
Multithreading.
Drivers will fix it.
Windows 8 will fix it.
Microsoft hotfix will improve it.
Windows 9 will unleash the power of bulldozer/pilediver/steamroller.
Power consumption aint relevant.
AMD stocks can only go up.
Everyone wants to play on APUs.
The next CPU will fix everything and be super good.

Did I miss any?

Trinity offers maginal GPU improvements with a sidegrade in CPU performance. And then all at a higher powerconsumption and a bigger chip.

Seems the iGPU lead will be gone next year unless Intel really fumbles.

AMD is getting closer to become another VIA every day.

 

[Ferzerp]

A true IT expert at Ars:
"The study of the classics concerns the one fixed point of reference in the liberal arts: the origins. Courses in the classics acquaint students with the languages, literature, and civilizations of Greece and Rome"

Very much connected to product marketing and even more so to CPU design, I see.

My degree is in chemistry and I am a server/storage architect by trade. What is your point?