Arts, the Martial kind

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Dabappa

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Rec.martial-arts has a good Newbie Guide that might help in selecting a school. They also have a large FAQ that will answer many questions about styles, etc.

The instructor(s) probably matter more than the system. Definitely stop in and check out a few places before making a choice. Make sure you feel comfortable with the instructors and type of students they teach.


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A teacher like this should whip you into shape in no time.

Good Luck,
 

Daniel

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: Atheus
Everyone will tell you to go for a specific form, but I think most people are best just going to the school closest to their house, or the one their friends go to. The important thing is to stick with the training for more than a year or so, to start seeing real results. As long as it's a 'real' martial art. I mean _not_ a sport derived from an art, such as judo or kickboxing or reular old western boxing.

What's wrong with Judo, Kickboxing, or Western Boxing?


In a way, nothing, but they were derived from others (like judo from aikido) by taking out the most lethal moves and placing restrictions on the pratitioner (no punches below the belt in boxing, etc) to make it possible to use the art as a sport. Nothing against sport but the OP wants to learn a martial art.

I could be wrong, but I always thought that Aikido came fro Aikijitsu/Daito Ryu and Judo came from Jujitsu.

 

akenbennu

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I'm been out of practice for a couple of years due to a skin disease that doesn't let me practice as much as I'd like. It's not so much grappling (though there are several joint locks/throws). It's more about using your opponent's energy/movements against him. Very few direct strikes. Aikido is very much 'Hit your opponent with the hardest/biggest thing around -- the ground.' You spend a lot of time learning to put yourself in advantageous positions so your opponent will trip himself or fall easily (with a little help from you.) Good footwork is essential.
 

The Batt?sai

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Asian martial arts takes on some very different philosophies in fighting styles.

Korean Tai Kwan Do originated from an old version of Korean Martial Arts, sometimes called Teggen/Tekken. I forget. It can be pretty lethal. But it is highly acrobatic and requires mostly legs and some elbows.
Miu Thai is very lethal, but you can have joint problems later in life, and it really isn't a self defense type of style, more than a kill offensive.
Jujitsu is more grappling and hand to hand but is not as fluid as other Asian forms.
Judo is very good, but is quite hard to use unless you have practiced for a very long long time.
Xiaolin Boxing and Wushu is more about show and form because so much was lost, but it is pretty to watch.
Tai Ji if you practice Yang, Shang, & others for years and years (10+ years and you are close to being decent at it) is one of the best IMO. But you have to learn from people who actually know what they are doing and aren't just doing it for "exercise". My dad knows a whole bunch of different martial arts, but he is 63 now and only does Tai Ji now with some Judo and Korean Boxing mixed in. He still can beat the crap out of me with one hand. Pisses me off sometimes because I am a very strong guy. Being thrown around like a rag doll by someone almost 3 times your age can have that affect.

**EDIT**
All forms are good if you incorporate what is best about them and what works for you.
Any form is good to start off with as long as you have a good teacher and excellent work ethic.
BTW, I have heard good things about a Hebrew free form style of hand to hand they use in their military. The name escapes me though.

excellent post
 

jdub1107

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I suggest Muay Thai. It's essentially Western boxing with kicks, elbows, and knees. It's definitely good for exercise and self-defense.
 

TechnoPro

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Originally posted by: FallenHero
I'm taking Aikido at the moment. Although fun, it does take a long time to really use it in any defense situation. When you do use it, you will NOT think about it though...only after the fact will you realize "holy crap, I actually learned something."

So very true. I studied kung-fu for 1 year. Didn't get anywhere rank-wise, but still cherished the experience. One day, I foudn myself being choked by a guy much stronger than msyelf. Training kicked in and I launched into a painful joint manipulation.
 

Titan

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A lot of what I say may have been said but here's my take, I did Tae Kwon Do for 5 years and loved it, and taught as a head instructor for a couple years. I attended over 2 dozen touunaments as a competitor and/or judge.

I got into martial arts not knowing much, and let me say this: what makes the difference is the group of people you find to train with. If you have no preference on punching/kicking/wrestling or meditating, find people you want to be around because they love it. There are 2 kinds of MA instructors out there: those in it for the money and/or glory, and those who love teaching and the art as a whole. The former comes about because most higher black belts achieve greater rank through politics, teaching and events. I was lucky to have teachers that grew up with the art in their family and taught me everything, but also why to do everything so i could teach. I am sorry to say the latter is harder to find, in my opinion which has come from comparing scores of different schools at events.

When you first start out, it's natural to be shy around strange people yelling in white suits. But watch and if you see somthing that you feel you may like, try it out. Most places let you watch classes free. It's all about the group you train with, which is why college can be a good place to train. I personally miss older days of training with people who long left as I progressed. The important thing is you get something out of it and grow, no one should force you to become a black belt or do anything you don't want. I am personally freaked by places that teach you to walk on broken glass and break cinder blocks on your stomach with a hammer. That's rare but out there. Keep in mind normal board breaks are fine, and maybe patio tiles for advanced folks.

That all said, you can typically break Martial arts into 3 categories:

Striking: Focuses on hand attacks (Karate) or Foot attacks (Tae Kwon Do) Within this, since I have been there, there are 3 types os school: the kind that emphasizes sparring anc competition more (TKD is BIG on events), the kind that focus on self-defense more, and the good, balanced kind that teaches you everything but basic moves the most so your sparring and self defense will excel equally. Remember, practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Kung Fu is mostly striking as well, and for Muai Thai just watch the Van Damme movie Kickboxer. If you want to build up calcium depostis in your shins so you can break a baseball bat over you leg, do so by all means but don't come crying to me when you have arthritis by age 30.

Grappling: Greko-Roman wrestling, Judo, Jui Jitsui, Hapkido more about joint locks and submission tacticts. Not too familiar with these but they can be a lot of fun as well and still give a great workout. In the more traditional ones they still teach striking, but it isn't a main focus. As in Striking arts they teach some grappling but it's not the big thing.

Meditaion/Esoteric: Tai Chi, Aikido, Other: These tend to take much longer to progress to blackbelt in because the training requires more focus and practice. Tai Chi tends to practice motions very slowly until you master them for full speed. Aikido is a unique self-defense art with an interesting history and tradition. The general idea of Aipkido is you use your attacker's force against them in a passive sort of grappling way. Then there is Jeet Kun Do, The art Bruce Lee created in His Tao of Jeet Kun Do book. IMO you have to take another art before going there. Many people claim to be good at it because Bruce Lee was so cool, but Bruce emphasized advanced strategy and unpredictable fighting tactics in it. It is a martial art without fixed stances, wheras every other art is about a set of fixed stances, and IMO you need to learn them to move before you can move without them.

Within all this there are hundreds of flavors. Different styles and schools the art came from, there's no one way to do anything which makes quality difficult to judge. It's generational, people who learn it pass it on, so things get left out or diluted. It's a very diverse market. It's not like coca cola or pepsi where you can walk into a store anywhere and make a clear-cut choice. So boil it down to you like the instructor, the students, the atmosphere and attitude. Having a friend to train with can't hurt either but keep in mind it's hard for 2 people to stay even for ever.

I can personally vow if you want a good workout, Tae Kwon Do is very high. Especially if you train at a college with young students. All the kicking and sparring will make you sweat enough to wonder how you're supposed to keep a white uniform clean every night.

Don't be timid and you'll do fine regardless.
 

Titan

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Originally posted by: Private Savage
grappling > striking

I'm a trained striker and I agree. Watch the first 5 UFCs if you can find them. The Gracies are amazing. Brazil is a crazy place when it comes to fighters. But if you are a very high-end experienced martial artist, comparisons don't mean anything, it's about being balanced and aware, not just being macho enough to step in the ring. If you are really good you can learn to move so fast your opponent can't see you coming, and you can learn to anticipate their move the second they start it. But that takes years of practice.

I will say self-defense-wise grappling is superior, but much more difficult to learn than striking. It's a lot easier to teach a 100lb woman how to properly knee a guy in the junk than to teach her to get him in a simple choke hold. Since real life self defense situations could involve any combination of unknown factors it's important to be willing to do both in order to survive. A striker completely untrained in grappling is just as helpless as a grappler completely untrained in striking. This is why most cover all the bases.

In my world nothing is simple. But that's why I'm the teacher.
 

lyssword

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dude don't waste your time posting here, go to sherdog.com forums and ask the same question
 

LtPage1

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If you're looking for grappling, look at jiujitsu (especially brazilian- that stuffs hardcore). If you want what you think of when you think of Martial Arts, check out Kung Fu, or for a more kicking-oriented style, Tae Kwon Do. If you want something a little more showy and acrobatic and AWESOME, find a wushu studio. I spent about 13 years from the time I was 5 going to a heavily westernized "karate" studio, which was a ton of fun- but recently, i've regretted how watered down it was. I really can't fight as well as someone who's been training for more than a decade should be able to. so, I'd advise you to look for a more traditional dojo, in whatever style you find. Really, what you should do is find one as close to you as possible, that has the right vibe for you, and just try it out for a while. If you like it, but it's not quite what you were looking for, move on.
 

WhiteKnight

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I'd recommend spending some time over at Bullshido. You'll find criticisms of just about every style there, but in the end it's up to you.
 

LuNoTiCK

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Originally posted by: Private Savage
I'm training Brazilian JJ with this guy
Pedro

You picked a good school.



If you're going to learn 1 martial art which is generally superior to the others than I suggest Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Although it does look like men are having sex. Sure other martial arts work, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, but I'm just saying one. In BJJ you will study the takedown part of the game, it's hard to find a wrestling school, and it's so damn tough most people aren't prepared for it mentally. Muay Thai is so hard on your body most people aren't willing to do it. Theres others like Boxing, not as tough on you as Muay Thai but it does involve getting punched in the face.


From what I've seen, Aikido, Tai Chi, and most other traditional martial arts do not work. There are exceptions, Kyokushin Karate. I've never seen good Krav Maga.

Watch out for the schools that claim to do everything. I have one around my college, they claim to do it all. You pick a martial art they teach it, but of course only when you reach a certain belt. They claim to teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but the person teaching has less than a months experience yet he teaches a 9 month course on it. Just for fun we asked how long it takes to get a belt, they said 3 months. It doesn't matter how often you come (I'm sure they want you to come once in a while), how hard you train, just keep paying and in 3 months you'll get the belt. But you can clearly see this schools in it for the money.

So basically, test out the school. Do they spar? Can they kick your ass? How do you like the environment (Does the instructor seem legit, does he actually care about your progress)?
 
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I've been training in Brazilian Jujitsu for quite some time and I have yet to find any women in Brazilian Jujitsu. I guess they don't like full body contact.
 

ForumMaster

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krav maga FTW. it's dangerous and effective and invented by the israeli army so you know it's good. it is used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. it is difficult though.
 

DaShen

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Muay Thai vs. Taekwondo

Street vs. Martial Arts

The second link is only true if you get trained to fight in competitions. If you are truly trained to fight using martial arts to defend yourself, they can be helpful if you train enough (meaning you really spar with people and don't hold back). Bruce Lee sparred for real all the time.
 

Rill22

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I had an ex that studied muay thai for years. That is one pretty damn hardcore martial arts form. He would talk about how his shins no longer had any feeling in them, due to the constant battering they received. (Given that is a main focus of how you hit/kick.) Very cool though, was a lot of fun to watch. Would not like to be in the ring with one of those dudes. One kick would have knocked me out cold (and crunched my face in).
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: Titan
Originally posted by: Private Savage
grappling > striking

I'm a trained striker and I agree. Watch the first 5 UFCs if you can find them. The Gracies are amazing. Brazil is a crazy place when it comes to fighters. But if you are a very high-end experienced martial artist, comparisons don't mean anything, it's about being balanced and aware, not just being macho enough to step in the ring. If you are really good you can learn to move so fast your opponent can't see you coming, and you can learn to anticipate their move the second they start it. But that takes years of practice.

I will say self-defense-wise grappling is superior, but much more difficult to learn than striking. It's a lot easier to teach a 100lb woman how to properly knee a guy in the junk than to teach her to get him in a simple choke hold. Since real life self defense situations could involve any combination of unknown factors it's important to be willing to do both in order to survive. A striker completely untrained in grappling is just as helpless as a grappler completely untrained in striking. This is why most cover all the bases.

In my world nothing is simple. But that's why I'm the teacher.

Agreed
 

xolademoness

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don't ask around asking to be teached kung fu, that originates from the chinese for "martial arts", you'll look like an idiot - the proper name for it is Wushu
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: xolademoness
don't ask around asking to be teached kung fu, that originates from the chinese for "martial arts", you'll look like an idiot - the proper name for it is Wushu

LOL, that is hilarious Wushu is a recent type of martial art, it isn't the only one. LOL :roll:

And it is more stylistic than practical fighting anyways.
 
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