As a privacy nut, is it safe

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Raduque

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A privacy nut doesn't use Windows. Windows users may range from 'not caring' to 'mildly concerned' about privacy, but not a nut.

IMO, a "privacy nut" doesn't use connected machines, period, regardless of the OS on them.
 

cytg111

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IMO a privacy nut lives in the woods. With no electronics. Underground. In a faraday cage. With a big gun. Lots of canned food. Lots.
 

Mushkins

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Thats not the issue. The issue is the data is there, much like healthcare-data, cloud-data, social-media-data and megacorp-bigdata and it is just not secure. Who cares right? You will, in 10 years, when that ancient facebook thing of the past is just a zip'ed database you download from some torrent-like service and run through all your wife's prior indiscretions.. or her yours. I dont think its my neighbors business what girl broke my heart 10 years ago or how i felt when my dog died.
You may think you have nothing to hide, but im betting you do, im betting 99% of the human population do.
It is called privacy and they're stealing it from us and turning it into an ad.
And its effen disgusting.

Oh please. If you're that concerned about some conspiracy theory coming to fruition a decade from now, stop doing those things on your PC. They're not stealing my privacy, I know that they're collecting my data and I do it anyway. I just don't do anything online that I wouldn't want shared, your privacy is your responsibility. Don't want someone maybe reading those facebook posts from your ex girlfriend? Don't post that crap on facebook in the first place. Problem solved.

99% of the population has more important things to care about than maybe someone digging through their Amazon purchase history ten years from now. If you don't like their very open, very visible data collection policy don't use their software. But to act like they're committing some great crime against you is total nonsense. It's their product and they can make it do whatever they want, and you are voluntarily choosing to use it.
 

Charlie98

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Oh please. If you're that concerned about some conspiracy theory coming to fruition a decade from now, stop doing those things on your PC. They're not stealing my privacy, I know that they're collecting my data and I do it anyway. I just don't do anything online that I wouldn't want shared, your privacy is your responsibility. Don't want someone maybe reading those facebook posts from your ex girlfriend? Don't post that crap on facebook in the first place. Problem solved.

99% of the population has more important things to care about than maybe someone digging through their Amazon purchase history ten years from now. If you don't like their very open, very visible data collection policy don't use their software. But to act like they're committing some great crime against you is total nonsense. It's their product and they can make it do whatever they want, and you are voluntarily choosing to use it.

My business computer has proprietary customer data on it, it has to be connected by virtue of the software I run (QuickBooks.) I have an obligation to safeguard my customer's personal and financial data. But I guess I could break out the ledger and start doing everything in pencil, again.

It's not so much the data they are mining showing up as a sidebar ad for dishwashers or tires, but the potential that the mechanism used to mine could be corrupted or hacked, or the database at the mothership corrupted or hacked.
 

Mushkins

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My business computer has proprietary customer data on it, it has to be connected by virtue of the software I run (QuickBooks.) I have an obligation to safeguard my customer's personal and financial data. But I guess I could break out the ledger and start doing everything in pencil, again.

It's not so much the data they are mining showing up as a sidebar ad for dishwashers or tires, but the potential that the mechanism used to mine could be corrupted or hacked, or the database at the mothership corrupted or hacked.

Are you not using a business-oriented gateway devices/UTM?

Block it all at the firewall level, if it can't get in or out of your network it doesn't matter if it's compromised or not.

Or, y'know, use an operating system that does not collect that data (Such as the Enterprise versions of any of the supported Windows versions). It's up to you and your business to evaluate and implement the technology solutions that meet your needs.
 

ninaholic37

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It's their product and they can make it do whatever they want
Not really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

I guess you could argue that "they can do anything now but the consequences will come later". They probably have a department that evaluates "how much can we get sued for x unethical decision and is it worth it $$$ wise in the end".
 

Z15CAM

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There's no more of a Privacy Nut then me - Been there since early 90's.

Keep a System Over-write that you know is viable when you have been violated and give up repair. I prefer DOS Boot into GHOST.EXE.

AKA: SafeMode
 
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Mushkins

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Not really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

I guess you could argue that "they can do anything now but the consequences will come later". They probably have a department that evaluates "how much can we get sued for x unethical decision and is it worth it $$$ wise in the end".

Did you read any of those links before you decided to push more anti-microsoft smack talk? Those are related to antitrust issues and general business disputes, none of it has anything to do with how Windows is programmed to function.

It's their product and they can make it do whatever they choose, just like you have the choice not to buy or use it.
 

Charlie98

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Are you not using a business-oriented gateway devices/UTM?

Block it all at the firewall level, if it can't get in or out of your network it doesn't matter if it's compromised or not.

Or, y'know, use an operating system that does not collect that data (Such as the Enterprise versions of any of the supported Windows versions). It's up to you and your business to evaluate and implement the technology solutions that meet your needs.

I'm a swimming pool service tech... not a computer nerd (and I say that kindly.) I'm learning as I go. I have not found the handy-dandy guide to... that stuff you said.

I am using an operating system that doesn't collect data... excuse me... didn't when I bought it. They changed the rules.
 

A5

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A "privacy nut" would already be using OpenBSD or a privacy/security-focused (aka not Ubuntu) Linux distro.
 

Mushkins

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I'm a swimming pool service tech... not a computer nerd (and I say that kindly.) I'm learning as I go. I have not found the handy-dandy guide to... that stuff you said.

I am using an operating system that doesn't collect data... excuse me... didn't when I bought it. They changed the rules.

Then with all due respect, you owe it to your customers to hire someone who knows how to properly configure a business network if you can't do it yourself.

Even in a small business environment, a proper firewall needs to be installed and configured. Small businesses with no proper IT infrastructure or support are by far the largest target for real hackers. I'd be far more worried about some eastern european crime ring getting into your network than whatever telemetry data Microsoft may be collecting through the OS.
 

ninaholic37

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Did you read any of those links before you decided to push more anti-microsoft smack talk? Those are related to antitrust issues and general business disputes, none of it has anything to do with how Windows is programmed to function.

It's their product and they can make it do whatever they choose, just like you have the choice not to buy or use it.
Incorrect statements in bold.

Now that you know all 3 lines in bold are incorrect, perhaps you can try to process each of them one at a time, and maybe the other ones will start to make sense once you figure 1/3 out. Good luck.
 

RampantAndroid

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Incorrect statements in bold.

Now that you know all 3 lines in bold are incorrect, perhaps you can try to process each of them one at a time, and maybe the other ones will start to make sense once you figure 1/3 out. Good luck.

I suppose technically you're right - they can't do things that are anti-competitive. But we're in a thread about privacy...and users have to consent to have the data collected. You'll need to prove they're collecting stuff and abusing it, or find a way to attack the privacy statement. I see no way for the Sherman Anti-Trust act to be pertinent to the discussion of privacy (and if you're going to target ANYONE with privacy complaints, please, start with Google.)
 
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Its really sad the way companies are becoming. The sell you something, then say you are not the owner and finally alter the product to do more of their bidding than yours.

Worse yet are the followers of this practice that go like the clueless go aboard the slaughter truck to the final processing pant in the sky.
 

RampantAndroid

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Its really sad the way companies are becoming. The sell you something, then say you are not the owner and finally alter the product to do more of their bidding than yours.

Worse yet are the followers of this practice that go like the clueless go aboard the slaughter truck to the final processing pant in the sky.

Since when does Windows not do my bidding? Since when did they alter the product on me?
 

A5

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Windows 10: "Imma turn off all the telemetry so that Microsoft doesn't know what I'm doing!"

Windows 11: "Why did Microsoft get rid of this feature that I used all the time? Oh, they said their data says no one uses it. Whoops!"
 

lxskllr

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Windows 10: "Imma turn off all the telemetry so that Microsoft doesn't know what I'm doing!"

Windows 11: "Why did Microsoft get rid of this feature that I used all the time? Oh, they said their data says no one uses it. Whoops!"

Just clone the git repo, and put it back. Oh, wait...
 

RampantAndroid

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Just clone the git repo, and put it back. Oh, wait...

I'm not sure forking has gotten Linux into a better place (not trying to spark a Linux vs Windows argument. I make the comment more in levity having watched projects like Gentoo implode.)
 

Mushkins

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Incorrect statements in bold.

Now that you know all 3 lines in bold are incorrect, perhaps you can try to process each of them one at a time, and maybe the other ones will start to make sense once you figure 1/3 out. Good luck.

You know what man, it's not worth the effort to fight against the nonsense you post. If you want to make some legitimate points I'd be happy to discuss them.
 
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