As a Republican how do you defend voter suppression?

[Charles Kozierok]

Were I a Republican, I'd defend it on the basis that it helps my party win. Is this a trick question?

 

[Jhhnn]

The question is loaded. There isn't voter suppression.

Denial, the perfect shelter.

Many of the efforts by Repubs have been stricken down in the courts, precisely because they attempt voter suppression.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Requiring ID isn't really a big deal. Plus with a good chunk of the country voting absentee, is it hard to make sure your voting paperwork is in order before November? Jeez.

Who do I blame if I didn't setup my absentee ballot because I'm in the east coast for grad school? The government? It's MY repsonsibility, and unless I have to jump through hoops, it's my fault if I dont set it up.

 

[buckshot24]

Denial, the perfect shelter.

Many of the efforts by Repubs have been stricken down in the courts, precisely because they attempt voter suppression.

No, you have to prove your assertions. Court judgements isn't evidence.

 

[ivwshane]

Requiring ID isn't really a big deal. Plus with a good chunk of the country voting absentee, is it hard to make sure your voting paperwork is in order before November? Jeez.

Who do I blame if I didn't setup my absentee ballot because I'm in the east coast for grad school? The government? It's MY repsonsibility, and unless I have to jump through hoops, it's my fault if I dont set it up.

I love idiots like you, who think because you can get an ID easily that means everyone can. If you have a car then that means everyone has a car or access to one! If you have money for the ID then everyone else must have the money too! If you are able to walk or ride a bike then surely everyone else can too! If you can take off work to get your ID then so should everyone else!

Because there can't be people who can't do the above because you've never met them therefore they don't exist!

Stay in school kid, you still have a lot of learning left!

 

[cybrsage]

I love idiots like you, who think because you can get an ID easily that means everyone can. If you have a car then that means everyone has a car or access to one! If you have money for the ID then everyone else must have the money too! If you are able to walk or ride a bike then surely everyone else can too! If you can take off work to get your ID then so should everyone else!

Because there can't be people who can't do the above because you've never met them therefore they don't exist!

Stay in school kid, you still have a lot of learning left!

I love idiots like you, who think it is hard to get a voter ID.

Stay in school kid, you still have a lot of learning left!

 

[buckshot24]

I love idiots like you, who think because you can get an ID easily that means everyone can. If you have a car then that means everyone has a car or access to one! If you have money for the ID then everyone else must have the money too! If you are able to walk or ride a bike then surely everyone else can too! If you can take off work to get your ID then so should everyone else!

Because there can't be people who can't do the above because you've never met them therefore they don't exist!

Stay in school kid, you still have a lot of learning left!

Pshhh. They need IDs to cash welfare checks, just use the same one.

 

[ivwshane]

Ignorance is bliss I guess and apparently it's a requirement of the right!


Thanks you two!

 

[buckshot24]

I think it is racist to suggest that only non minority whites can get IDs while everybody else can't.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, you have to prove your assertions. Court judgements isn't evidence.

Utterly circular & illogical. Obviously, there's no proof you'd find compelling. That's the nature of denial. You believe what you believe because you believe it, refusing to question your own assumptions in the slightest.

 

[buckshot24]

Utterly circular & illogical. Obviously, there's no proof you'd find compelling. That's the nature of denial. You believe what you believe because you believe it, refusing to question your own assumptions in the slightest.

I'm sorry I don't find voter ID laws as voter suppression on their own.

 

[ivwshane]

No, you have to prove your assertions. Court judgements isn't evidence.

I'm pretty sure the courts require adequate evidence in order to rule one particular way or the other so if the court says that it suppresses the vote then it does. The courts use logic and facts to make their decisions not their gut like you do.

 

[buckshot24]

I'm pretty sure the courts require adequate evidence in order to rule one particular way or the other so if the court says that it suppresses the vote then it does. The courts use logic and facts to make their decisions not their gut like you do.

Bullshit they do.

I'm sure you don't think that way when a court rules against your ideology.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm sorry I don't find voter ID laws as voter suppression on their own.

Lol another fact from your gut? You should go to the judges with your gut feeling evidence, I'm sure they will change their minds./s

 

[Jhhnn]

I love idiots like you, who think it is hard to get a voter ID.

Stay in school kid, you still have a lot of learning left!

You've been thoroughly discredited in the past wrt this very subject, and yet you persist.

For most people, what you say is true, but that doesn't cover the universality of a citizen's right to vote. For some Americans, obtaining the proof to get the ID is an onerous process, like for the individuals mentioned in this piece-

http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...eport/2012/04/04/11380/voter-suppression-101/

Jim Cramer's dad got his voter ID in Pennsylvania only after his son raised a stink on national TV.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans, if not millions, likely have similar issues, and yet all are Americans who deserve to be able to vote.

Voter ID is a solution in search of a problem, one where the cure is a lot worse than the disease, which indicates that it isn't about the alleged disease at all, but rather about voter suppression, even if many fools believe in the significance of Voter Fraud the same way they believe about Bigfoot.

 

[buckshot24]

Thanks for the hack link.

 

[ivwshane]

Thanks for the hack link.

That's still one more link then you have ever provided!

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm sorry I don't find voter ID laws as voter suppression on their own.

It's what you believed in the first place, and no amount of reason or evidence to the contrary will cause you to re-evaluate. It's what's wrong with conservative followers in general, their unshakable faith in lies they believe quite fervently. Your leadership depends on it, exploiting it every chance they get.

You're being manipulated because you deny the possibility that you are. For the propagandists of the Right, it's like taking candy from a baby.

 

[ivwshane]

It's what you believed in the first place, and no amount of reason or evidence to the contrary will cause you to re-evaluate. It's what's wrong with conservative followers in general, their unshakable faith in lies they believe quite fervently. Your leadership depends on it, exploiting it every chance they get.

You're being manipulated because you deny the possibility that you are. For the propagandists of the Right, it's like taking candy from a baby.

In her case a full grown retarded baby!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Come back in a month and tell us the exact number that voted and did not have access to a ID?

Not a number of those that do not have an ID.

Not those who are eligible to vote.

A number that would actually be disenfranchised.

My predictions:
# that vote with no ID will be below 0.1%.

1 per thousand voters.


And of those, how many could get them within a 6-18 month time frame. At least half on their own can get one. And another 40% with help from people that are actually concerned with getting out the vote.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks for the hack link.

Lashing out is a symptom of denial, a way to push back the truth, get it to go away.

Do you believe that the people mentioned aren't real, that they don't exist? That there aren't many more like them? Or do they just not matter?

 

[sMiLeYz]

The question is loaded. There isn't voter suppression.

Republicans’ Voter Suppression Project Grinds On

Well there you go, Republicans just lie to themselves and deny facts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Come back in a month and tell us the exact number that voted and did not have access to a ID?

Not a number of those that do not have an ID.

Not those who are eligible to vote.

A number that would actually be disenfranchised.

My predictions:
# that vote with no ID will be below 0.1%.

1 per thousand voters.


And of those, how many could get them within a 6-18 month time frame. At least half on their own can get one. And another 40% with help from people that are actually concerned with getting out the vote.

So what? There were ~126M votes cast in 2008, so you're talking about knowingly fucking over at least 126,000 Americans to stop "voter fraud" that hasn't been proven to be a pimple on the ass of electoral integrity. That doesn't even count the number of people discouraged from voting by having to obtain ID to do it.

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Republicans CAUGHT RED HANDED commiting voter fraud...

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...stration-worker-charged-with-voter-fraud?lite

 

[monovillage]

Honestly this is perhaps the most sickening and disgusting thing I've ever seen in my lifetime in regards to politics.

If the Democratic party EVER engaged in practice like this, I would drop support for them in an instance. I could NEVER in good conscience vote for a party that was so blatantly and actively trying to suppress minorities and lower income folks from voting.

And please, for the love of God, don't give me this BS about voter fraud. We know from statistics that voter fraud hovers around something like .000001%. It is a statistical non-factor in every sense. These voter ID laws and attempts to restrict early voting are nothing more than an attempt by Republicans to stifle the minority and low income vote, that is always predominantly Democratic.

This is something we should all be in unison against as Americans. This is treason.

As a Republican in California my presidential vote counts for nothing since it's a winner take all electoral State. What are the chances that the State which is controlled by Democrats will allow a district electoral count such as Nebraska has? You tell me.

http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/me_ne.htm

Maine and Nebraska

Maine and Nebraska both use an alternative method of distributing their electoral votes, called the Congressional District Method. Currently, these two states are the only two in the union that diverge from the traditional winner-take-all method of electoral vote allocation.

With the district method, a state divides itself into a number of districts, allocating one of its state-wide electoral votes to each district. The winner of each district is awarded that district’s electoral vote, and the winner of the state-wide vote is then awarded the state’s remaining two electoral votes.

This method has been used in Maine since 1972 and Nebraska since 1996, though since both states have adopted this modification, the statewide winners have consistently swept all of the state’s districts as well. Consequently, neither state has ever split its electoral votes.

Although this method still fails to reach the full ideal of one-man one-vote, it has been proposed as a nationwide reform for the way in which Electoral votes are distributed.