http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/25/asia/xi-jinping-china-trump/index.html
IMO, this is going to be the legacy of the Trump administration. The Chinese are going to grow stronger and they are poised to dominate overseas markets that were once dominated by America. As we close up our borders and retract, China is going to grow in all ways. Economically and militarily.
Xi seems like he has his sh*t together.
We will see if its how truly terrible of a business/deal maker he is, or if the corruption is ultimately is his legacy. Either way, his legacy is going to be as one of, if not the worst Presidents of all time. So far, its all the worst aspects of the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Jr administrations, with effectively none of the positives. With extra awful shit on top of it. But hey, he's definitely going to accomplish making people forget about Obama, because all anyone will remember for decades is how thoroughly Republicans have fucked America up. We'll see if people try to correct it, it will be short lived if they do, and some of the fuckups cannot be fixed. And that's just so far. They could very quickly turn the situation cataclysmic for the US.
This china thing came out of nowhere in the last 10 months.
Have you only been paying attention for the last 10 months?
China has been growing much stronger way before Trump. Started when they changed the way they did their business to a much more capitalistic focused scheme while maintaining the advantage of lack of regulations protecting their workers. That's why everything was off-shored to China, their gov't allows their workers to be exploited cheaply while in the US, that doesn't happen. Then they started expanding into the South China Seas, basically taking over international waters, building islands and putting military bases on them.
They are definitely poised to be a giant in the future and a definite Super Power to contend with. Our bungling in internal politics and rules to create a better life for the people in the US is holding us back while China plays by much stricter rules that does not give freedom to their people and squeezes them for everything they have.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole NK bullshit is being orchestrated by China to distract the US and their Asian neighbors on focusing on the fat lunatic while China continues to build up and fortify their bases in the South China Seas.
The US absolutely did (sure not to the degree that Asian countries were, well except for when we did the same shit during our own industrial revolution, and then knowingly pushed to those countries specifically to prop up our own production because we could get away with that there; same deal as when Europe "banned" slavery, when they were still able to reap all the benefits by taking advantage of it happening elsewhere in the world including directly under their own supervision). And Republicans have been working for decades to fight and then dismantle unions deliberately to try to bring it back.
So while China let their people be exploited, its not like the US wasn't just fully aware of it, they openly enabled it, until they couldn't any longer (see stuff like when the reports about what was happening at factories making Apple's stuff).
How does that make sense? North Korea is forcing us to boost our presence in Asia. Granted we were already in the process of that (literally, our military even openly said they were "pivoting" towards Asia being their focus due to China's ambitions, and the instability that climate change will present in the region which will massively impact the US by upsetting trade).
Minus the whole pollute everything in sight while making a profit thing.
Yeah because the US never did that. Plus Republicans are trying to make it have a big comeback.
China's undergoing their own industrial revolution, the same thing all the western countries went through. It should come as no surprise in any shape and form.
This. Absolutely it isn't the same, but people copping this "but they know better, its not fair!" response is bullshit since that never stopped the US. And it is missing the point that the exploitation was in order to prop up production of goods for Western countries, and helped us advance more rapidly than we would have otherwise. We played a direct role in China's situation.
The difference is we didn't know the long lasting effects of polluting the environment at the time but China sure as hell does.
The hell we didn't. Lots of the companies doing that shit had their own scientists telling them exactly that they're fucking over the environment and/or the stuff they were making was deadly toxic. Even before the science was there, there's tons of evidence they fully knew they were awful on the environment (more directly even, meaning they didn't know climate change impact, but they could see how mining was hell on people, how dumping waste in waterways was awful, and how mass cutting/killing was devastating as seen by the mass killoff of many species like buffalo, mass cutting was destroying forests, and farming was turning the land to literal dust both by removing all the nutrients from the soil but also depleting water resources), they just didn't care.
We let wealthy tycoons exploit the hell out of our people, resources, and environment. Occasionally when it would get particularly egregious we'd do something about it, but even then it was often quite limited. We've improved massively but we still could do a lot more, but instead a certain political side is openly working to dismantle what we have built up, trying to set us back decades if not a century.
Meanwhile, China, seeing an opportunity to make us look like the fools we are, is quickly advancing. Just like they saw the blueprints for development, they now see how to fast track the post industrial era, and move from heavily polluting to mitigate their impact. Yet, here in the US we're still letting politicians go "but China is worse!!! So we aren't going to do anything, because that will somehow get those manufacturing jobs back here!" to cleanup their messes and surpass us. They're moving to make that a major economic strength even. Cleaning up our environment (direct environment, I'm talking our waterways and stuff like superfund sites among the many many many ways we could be directly working to improve the environment) would create a lot of jobs, and it would help save lives and improve the overall health of our population. It would also help us work to deal with climate change, and even short term could help us manage natural disasters much better.
US definitely still does it, but it is much harder and costlier to hide. China just DGAF and does it. When it comes to attaining money and power, people will do some damnable things and sell their souls.
Its costlier but its not like its that costly or that hard to hide, and even when its catastrophic they still get a slap on the wrist for the damage they do.
That's a false equivalence, they have had no problem bypassing that so called revolution by copying and pasting except when it comes to labor, safety, and environmental concerns, then somehow they need to evolve.
But it was all a calculated strategy in order to catch up quickly using their people and environment as sacrificial lambs while exploiting the "profit only matters/greed is good mentality" of many American as well as other corporations, who were too stupid and greedy to realize China was treating them as useful idiots providing industrial knowledge, intellectual property as well as trade secrets by building plants and moving manufacturing to China.
Ironic how most Americans would flock to their favorite big box store for their always low prices made in China stuff made in Chinese companies usually owned or subsidized by the Chinese government but if the American Government would use their power to help for instance bring high speed internet to rural America like they did with electricity and other things that private companies wouldn't want to invest in, many of those same bargain hunters will complain about tax payers subsidizing private industry and how unAmerican it is and must be stopped while complaining about the injustice of their dialup speeds.
You say its a false equivalence then say they are copy-pasting? You do realize the labor, safety, and environmental concerns came about after the actual rise of the industrial revolution, right? So, the exact same way China is treating it. And yes those in power in China definitely were fully aware of it. But anyone acting like the the rest of the world didn't do that as well is just being naive.
What's wrong with them being smart about it? As an American it sucks that our corporations and governments were so willing to sell out people out for profits, but I can't blame China for doing what they've been doing. I'd say they're being very smart about it. They seem intent on rapidly advancing, and our arguments about them being terrible are pretty quickly looking dated and won't be long before they're outright just wrong. With the way things are going, give it 25 years, and our roles will be reversed as our government succumbs to corruption, taking our economy down with it. And the corporations won't care because they'll be making money elsewhere.
Obviously. I don't get why people are acting like that's some heinous thing on their part. They just followed the blueprint the rest of the world used.
You're way off. Its the politicians being paid by corporations doing that, in spite of people telling the politicians not to do that. But of course we still have lots of people acting like both sides are equally doing that type of shit, in spite of the rampant evidence to the contrary. Your average person going to Wal-Mart aren't even aware of most of the subsidies, let alone global economic forces. They're just focused on what things cost them. Which yes, is a problem because it lets politicians fuck them over by screwing up international trade issues, and do all manner of other things. Which, yes, for much of the 20th century was often fairly bipartisan (and actually Republicans were quite on board globalization and opening up trade, which is why I don't get why people think modern Republicans are the same as they used to be when they've gone off the deep end in basically every regard and are so blatantly working against the American people that I don't understand how people refuse to see it and stop voting them into office; people are being insanely stupid by realizing the shitty Republican policies of the past are a big part of our modern problems, and so instead of voting for other parties, they're basically staying Republican but voting in crazy shitheads since they're willing to say Republicans are fuckups too).