As long as everyone's mind is blown how about LTE for the iP5?

[akugami]

Wow, crocodile tears. I never said that Apple sucks, or that the iPhone sucks.

Please. You're thinking someone can't read between the lines? Anyone can search your post history and see the very long history of snide comments towards Apple users and Apple.

I'm responding only to very specific claims that are made about their products by Apple fans who are so infatuated by their beloved phone that they simply can't admit when common sense should prevail over their love for a brand.

Why bring infatuation into it? That just makes you sound like a whining fanboy. And your points were debunked. I responded to your specific claims and you had to amend and change the meanings of your arguments. One of your more logical responses was, and I quote "whatever" in response to what I posted. Absolute brilliant logic there.

I'll be the one first to admit where devices are flawed... Samsung has shitty GPS support. HTC phones are battery hogs. iPhone 4 has an antenna design flaw. Motorola phones have a terrible UI overlay...

Does that mean that these devices suck? Nope.

Does that mean that the companies that make them suck? Nope.

We're just stating facts about the products.

I think anyone unbiased can agree no device is without flaws. However, you state a lot of opinion that paints Apple and Apple users in a negative light. Many times without provocation. Like how Apple users are infatuated with their products? That totally is a fact. Or when you talk about "people" (in other words Apple users) overpaying for products in a different thread?

I don't remember every comment everyone wrote but I have a general idea of who is biased and who isn't by what I read. I could come up with more examples but I'm not going to dig through the forum threads for the many examples of your bias. I won't comment further with you on this thread. If you want to, we can take it to private tells. But your attempt at painting yourself as unbiased is not supported by your post history.

 

[Leon]

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[ew915]

wait what? i thought we already had the iphone 4G isn't it?

 

[gsaldivar]

If you want to, we can take it to private tells. But your attempt at painting yourself as unbiased is not supported by your post history.

I have no concerns about my post history. Search and find whatever you want. I would only suggest that if you have any problems with what people are saying, bring that up in the relevant thread instead of trying to dump it all into one thread as you have done today. Thanks.

 

[pm]

What does swappable batteries have to do with an iPhone 5 having LTE (or not)? Can we get the topic back on topic please?

Moderator PM

 

[SpicyTime]

When first coming to this thread, I was reading people's posts and how they're speculating about the next iPhone. Then, like akugami said, cheezy321 makes a jab at Android, throwing out some potential troll bait.

Then here's how you enter the thread:

Unlike your iPhone, I can easily swap my Thunderbolt's battery for a freshly charged one, or upgrade it, without carrying around a bulky ass "battery case".

Also, by the time you finally get your iP5 (maybe with LTE?) - many of us will have been soaking up almost a year's worth of unlimited LTE web, Youtube, streaming Netflix, video chat, Pandora... etc.

Your first statement in this entire thread is bragging about how your current phone is better than the iPhone4 (totally unrelated to iPhone5 and LTE). Your next statement (which is more on topic) is then a jab at the iPhone5. And now you're trying to paint yourself as objective and unbiased. Really? No one has to look at your post history to see that you clearly are in the Android camp.

That's all fine. I'm in the Android camp as well, but I'm not gonna run around bashing the iPhone (in an iPhone thread no less) since I recognize that it's a good product, but not one that suits my needs.

More on topic, ew915, the iPhone 4 does not have 4G capability. It's merely called the iPhone 4 because it's the 4th iteration of the phone. The next iteration of the iPhone, which could be called the iPhone 5 or the iPhone 4S, might be the first Apple device to support 4G speeds.

 

[Pliablemoose]

What does swappable batteries have to do with an iPhone 5 having LTE (or not)? Can we get the topic back on topic please?

Moderator PM

I changed the thread title

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(it's a joke, please don't hurt me)

LOL changed it back out of fear...

 

[pm]

I changed the thread title

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(it's a joke, please don't hurt me)

You know this moderator lacks a sense of humor, right? You can think of me as the Mr. Spock of Anandtech.

I was a plane most of the day flying back from Washington and so I missed most of this.

I'm going to hand out a couple of warnings - to Cheezy and Gsalvidar, the posts will be commented for the reasons.

Beyond that, the thread is about the iPhone 5 having LTE (or not). Pliable, if you want to open it up for a discussion of swappable batteries, it's your thread, and you can change it (the Mr. Spock in me notes that this is illogical, but your thread, your call). But whatever people post, please keep it respectful and on topic.

Moderator PM

 

[BenSkywalker]

I read this post several hours ago, and I still haven't been able to figure out how the next iPhone shipping with LTE is anything other then absolutely mandatory?

As of now Apple's release schedule on new phones is pushing towards 18 months, at this rate it will be close to Q2 2013 before we see the subsequent revision to the upcoming iPhone. While shipping a new phone today from one of the other manufacturers without LTE isn't that big of a deal, that is simply due to them shipping another new phone within a few months. For Apple with their release schedule if they don't ship the next iPhone with LTE support it seems like an automatic failure on their part. Initial sales will of course be very strong, but trying to sell a new phone at a $199 price point in 2013 without LTE? That sounds rather absurd(this assuming that Apple simply follows their existing schedules in both release dates and pricing).

 

[gsaldivar]

Your first statement in this entire thread is bragging about how your current phone is better than the iPhone4 (totally unrelated to iPhone5 and LTE). Your next statement (which is more on topic) is then a jab at the iPhone5.

I just wanted to post and say that your comment here is valid, and that I did overreact to Cheezy321 with my first post in this thread. I intended my statements to be more narrowly tailored to Cheezy's remark about battery life, but I let my enthusiasm get the better of me and my post ended up being more than that. Sorry for derailing guys!

 

[YoungGun21]

I don't see why any phone coming out from now on shouldn't have LTE. It may not be everywhere today, but they force us into 2 year contracts anyway. I'm sure it will be everywhere in 2 years.

 

[cheezy321]

I read this post several hours ago, and I still haven't been able to figure out how the next iPhone shipping with LTE is anything other then absolutely mandatory?

As of now Apple's release schedule on new phones is pushing towards 18 months, at this rate it will be close to Q2 2013 before we see the subsequent revision to the upcoming iPhone. While shipping a new phone today from one of the other manufacturers without LTE isn't that big of a deal, that is simply due to them shipping another new phone within a few months. For Apple with their release schedule if they don't ship the next iPhone with LTE support it seems like an automatic failure on their part. Initial sales will of course be very strong, but trying to sell a new phone at a $199 price point in 2013 without LTE? That sounds rather absurd(this assuming that Apple simply follows their existing schedules in both release dates and pricing).

Come on, you know as well as everyone else that the iPhone usually comes out every single year. This year it was delayed until September (hopefully). This is not the norm, nor has it ever been. I am sure after the next iPhone is released it will move back to the 1 year schedule.

The iPhone 4 was released June 24th, 2010. In order to meet your 'standard' 18 month release schedule, the iPhone 5 will have to be released on Christmas Eve of this year. I highly doubt that would happen.

Crazy that a 14 month old archaic (according to many posters on this forum) phone is still the best selling smartphone in the world. Steve Jobs must be handing out some strong Kool Aid.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Come on, you know as well as everyone else that the iPhone usually comes out every single year.

It should have been out two months ago. This phone took between two and a half to three months longer then the last development cycle. If that cycle repeats itself, they will be at 18 months and they won't release a phone in 2012. Will that happen? I have no idea, but that is the direction their current schedule is going. If you dislike that, talk to Apple, I have nothing to do with it.

 

[YoungGun21]

Come on, you know as well as everyone else that the iPhone usually comes out every single year. This year it was delayed until September (hopefully). This is not the norm, nor has it ever been. I am sure after the next iPhone is released it will move back to the 1 year schedule.

The iPhone 4 was released June 24th, 2010. In order to meet your 'standard' 18 month release schedule, the iPhone 5 will have to be released on Christmas Eve of this year. I highly doubt that would happen.

Crazy that a 14 month old archaic (according to many posters on this forum) phone is still the best selling smartphone in the world. Steve Jobs must be handing out some strong Kool Aid.

Cults have these tendencies.

 

[poofyhairguy]

It should have been out two months ago. This phone took between two and a half to three months longer then the last development cycle. If that cycle repeats itself, they will be at 18 months and they won't release a phone in 2012. Will that happen?

I don't think so. I think the move to September is a semi-permanent move to bolster the once huge iPod event and for at least a few years it will be the annual release time.

This might have been asked by the carriers (especially Verizon) that prefer to release new flagship phones in Q3. They must have shown Apple their sales data that shows what great margins you can get milking the public with obsolete phones in the summer. AT&T obviously lacks this intelligence or the Atrix would have been a Q3 device.

 

[badb0y]

Cults have these tendencies.

It's all about the marketing and I don't mean just throwing commercials on T.V.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4&feature=youtu.be
Watch from like 2 minutes on. I got this from the RIM Open letters a couple of weeks ago.

 

[purbeast0]

It should have been out two months ago. This phone took between two and a half to three months longer then the last development cycle. If that cycle repeats itself, they will be at 18 months and they won't release a phone in 2012. Will that happen? I have no idea, but that is the direction their current schedule is going. If you dislike that, talk to Apple, I have nothing to do with it.

do you really think that Verizon getting the IP4 in february wouldn't have pushed back the IP5 at all? you think that had nothing to do with the next iphone being out on the yearly schedule?

 

[Aikouka]

I don't see why any phone coming out from now on shouldn't have LTE. It may not be everywhere today, but they force us into 2 year contracts anyway. I'm sure it will be everywhere in 2 years.

I don't know... I'm a bit hesitant on it. AT&T pretty much has no LTE infrastructure right now, and Verizon has a fairly small amount. You aren't wrong that in two years, it could be considerably better, but there's the other 800 pound gorilla in the room to consider: battery life.

Apple's i-devices have performed very well when it comes to battery life, and if other phones are any indication, current LTE modems are huge power draws. In that case, Apple may benefit more from waiting until the next iPhone and hopefully securing a more efficient LTE-capable modem. Although, I was wondering if Apple would try and control the power draw via software (power gating when not needed, etc).

In my own case, I'm stuck at an impasse. Verizon actually has LTE in my area, but if I ever leave my area, I'm stuck on their god awful 3G network (~1/3 the speed of AT&T). The problem is that I have no idea when AT&T will put LTE in my area as I believe there are only half a dozen cities scheduled right now.

 

[Pliablemoose]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/17/verizon-further-expands-lte-network-says-it-now-covers-more-tha/

 

[Aikouka]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/17/verizon-further-expands-lte-network-says-it-now-covers-more-tha/

I feel bad for Virginia. A larger map (where you can actually read the legend) is located here:

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/pdf/VZW_4G_LTE_Coverage_Map.pdf

 

[YoungGun21]

I don't know... I'm a bit hesitant on it. AT&T pretty much has no LTE infrastructure right now, and Verizon has a fairly small amount. You aren't wrong that in two years, it could be considerably better, but there's the other 800 pound gorilla in the room to consider: battery life.

Apple's i-devices have performed very well when it comes to battery life, and if other phones are any indication, current LTE modems are huge power draws. In that case, Apple may benefit more from waiting until the next iPhone and hopefully securing a more efficient LTE-capable modem. Although, I was wondering if Apple would try and control the power draw via software (power gating when not needed, etc).

In my own case, I'm stuck at an impasse. Verizon actually has LTE in my area, but if I ever leave my area, I'm stuck on their god awful 3G network (~1/3 the speed of AT&T). The problem is that I have no idea when AT&T will put LTE in my area as I believe there are only half a dozen cities scheduled right now.

By the end of this year or start of next VZW is supposed to place LTE in most major cities in IL (my state). I'd imagine most states are similar to this situation, so I'd say it will have a pretty big footprint in the next 6 months or so.