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[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: pspada

Originally posted by: m1ke101
all normal, and 166fsb, upped vcore to 1.75v and tried upping vdimm to 2.9v as well...still not stable

So, why do you conclude that the memory is the problem. My FSB is running at the normal 133/266, while my memory is running just fine at 400Mhz (the PC3200). Why don't you just try clocking the memory to 433, without oc'ing the FSB? Then you'll only be running the memory at spec, and will eliminate other system components from consideration. If that works (and I suspect it'll run just fine), then you know the memory is ok, and something else on your system is at issue.

If everything works at 166FSB on his old Samsung stick. I don't see why the new stick can't handle it since it's suppose to run at DDR400.

well, if his timings are off for that particular stick of memory then yes its very possible it wouldnt work

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: tbrooks40

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: pspada

Originally posted by: m1ke101
all normal, and 166fsb, upped vcore to 1.75v and tried upping vdimm to 2.9v as well...still not stable

So, why do you conclude that the memory is the problem. My FSB is running at the normal 133/266, while my memory is running just fine at 400Mhz (the PC3200). Why don't you just try clocking the memory to 433, without oc'ing the FSB? Then you'll only be running the memory at spec, and will eliminate other system components from consideration. If that works (and I suspect it'll run just fine), then you know the memory is ok, and something else on your system is at issue.

If everything works at 166FSB on his old Samsung stick. I don't see why the new stick can't handle it since it's suppose to run at DDR400.

well, if his timings are off for that particular stick of memory then yes its very possible it wouldnt work

Well, we'll have to see what his timings are. IMO, if the PC3200 stick can't run at aggressive timings on DDR333, it's not worth the money.

 

[pspada]

Hello, anyone remember the fact that this memory is CAS 2? IMNSHO, I don't care AT ALL if the memory overclocks, or if the rest of the system is being oc'ed, 'cause as always with oc'ing, YMMV. All I can say that my PC3200 runs at CAS/CL 2, at 400Mhz (402 actually), without a single issue. If you want to oc it, or put it in a ship going to the moon, or plug it into a socket embedded in your skull or WTF ever, good luck. But it has no bearing on if the memory performs as spec'ed and advertised. Once you've tried it under standard conditions to confirm these facts, then I will be more than willing to listen to, and help with if I am able, any woes you might have when trying to oc it. Until then, your assesment that "stuff is sh*t" has no validity, and can not be considered in any logical evaluation.

No flame, no biggie, just simple reason.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: classy
Has anyone confirmed that these are indeed Winbond 4.5ns chips?

I searched Winbond's site. No where could I find anything about 4.5ns modules.

 

[Phunktion]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: classy
Has anyone confirmed that these are indeed Winbond 4.5ns chips?

I searched Winbond's site. No where could I find anything about 4.5ns modules.

Their site was outdated last I saw it so that doesn't matter... I've already found out they had 4.5ns modules if they were handpicked and that was based on some crap I found that was referring to 6 months ago so I'm pretty sure they would be manufacturing 4.5ns now..

Originally posted by: m1ke101
all normal, and 166fsb, upped vcore to 1.75v and tried upping vdimm to 2.9v as well...still not stable

I suspect motherboard issues honestly... certain memory brands don't work well on certain motherboards so you having the same problem twice doesn't mean the memory sucks it might mean it doesn't work well with your board, hell that's half the reason I'm still not buying this stuff till I'm certain (I have a 8RDA+ and there's some memory issues with certain brands so I know my response to your problem is not baseless)... damnit someone take off the heatspreaders already for the love of god!

Edit: BTW you could test if it's just your motherboard by giving it to someone with a completely different motherboard and have them try to get it to speed..

 

[yhelothar]

well i just rolled the dice and ordered a stick of PC3200 Copper Heatspreader Ram @ Cas 2.0 with winbond 4.5ns chips...

the customer service is good, so i have faith in this company..

 

[m1ke101]

memory timing was at default, i changed nothing. I'm testing out the memory on my roommates p4 right now, will post results.

******UPDATE*****

okay this memory does run like sh*t....Okay stuck this chip in my roommates 2.26 p4 at 166fsb, and 2.9vdimm, and 1.6v. Ran prime95 for only 50 minutes. Also, he runs his system usually rock stable at 163 fsb with his generic pc2100, at stock voltage.

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: m1ke101
memory timing was at default, i changed nothing. I'm testing out the memory on my roommates p4 right now, will post results.

******UPDATE*****

okay this memory does run like sh*t....Okay stuck this chip in my roommates 2.26 p4 at 166fsb, and 2.9vdimm, and 1.6v. Ran prime95 for only 50 minutes. Also, he runs his system usually rock stable at 163 fsb with his generic pc2100, at stock voltage.

well running prime95 for 50 minutes is a lot better than what you were getting on your machine isn't it? mike what are you system specs if you don't mind posting them. also, please look in your bios and post what the memory timings are in there. someone stated different memory runs great on some boards and wont run at all on others and then theres that grey area where it runs ok but not as expected... this is the worst of all b/c now you have to go through the whole troubleshooting mess. this happened to me with some corsairxms pc3200 version 1.1 - i checked corsairs website and this memory ran great in some systems and terrible in others (all newer motherboards). this is when i decided to get a different stick and try it out and as i have posted it has been a world of a difference. i must say this about you - you are a patient soul... which you have to be when we are all buying half-tested merchandise.

that reminds me of a rant i had to get off my chest... on Corsairs site it mentions that motherboard manufacturers use certain memory to test their new motherboards. to make a long rant short, the way i read this is that mobo and memory makers don't test their products on a wide range of availble parts on the market. for instance, epox will work closely with corsair (hypothetical) and may not use ANY other brand to test their boards! we have become the test bed and that just freakin blows. i mean it's to the point now where you have to be a part of some forum or tech site to be able to get you system up and running half the time. hell, epox's tech support actually directs you to Amdmb.com to find answers to your problems - wtf? at any rate, keep working at it mike as i was in your shoes not even a week ago for two freakin weeks trying to get my system up and running stable.

 

[tbrooks40]

for those who are wondering about the corsair / winbond connection here are a few links that show corsair does use winbond chips...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/mainboards/corsair-ddr400/

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1229

http://www.hexus.co.uk/print.php?review=404&page=1 ?¨ this one shows how the p4 and this similar memory works together... scroll to the beginning of test. heres a snip...

...The Corsair module is rated to DDR-400 @ 2.5v with 2/6/3/3 timings. This is what I set within the BIOS of my IT7. To get the modules running at DDR-400 speed, I raised the FSB of my rather overclockable 2.26GHz Pentium 4 from the stock 133MHz to 150MHz. Then, using a trick that ABIT have implemented in their BIOS', I ran the memory at a 3:4 CPURAM ratio, giving me 200MHz (DDR-400) speeds on the memory.

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/misc/ddrguide/5.shtml ?¨ this one describes the differnt chips/manufacturer etc.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=pushingddr&page=2

lastly, here is a link to geil that is known to use winbond on their memory modules and they show the 4.5ns is available. whether or not its winbond i don't know...

http://www.geilusa.com/news.asp

 

[Chunkee]

i purchased a stick of the pc3200 insane deal with copper hsf. It was on back order. I do not like the fact that their shipping is soooo sloowww and they did not even take the courtesy to send the other part of my order, artic silver. I know it is cheaper for them to ship together, but sometimes you need to bite it with customer service. I am expected to get the memory on Monday, but wont have a motherboard to pop it into. I just RMA's my AT7MAX2 this weekend to abit. Bought it refurbed from newegg and they ship me a board with crap all over it and a capacitor punctured and falling off...

I went on TBROOKS word from this company and have ordered simple items from them in the past cooling fans, hsf, etc. They have always been the slowest shippers i have ever seen, from Conneticut to East Tennesessee taking a whole week or longer is rediculous.

Saving money is a trade off. I probably wont order from this company again. Way too slow, and you should not pre-sell anything is my motto. Knowing you are out of stock and saying in stock is SHI**Y. And, if someone is being sent what they did not order, like i just did from ExCaliber, they should make good on it, and pay for the shipping costs.

However, just like anywhere else you go these days, SERVICE is a thing of the past. I cannot go anywhere...Home Depot, restaurants, Wal-Mart...without wanting to go postal. THERE IS RARELY GOOD SERVICE ANYWHERE!

MY SUGGESTION IS, FIND A GOOD VENDOR AND STICK WITH THEM!

I will let you all know what kind of memory I get and how it performs

JCoria

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
i purchased a stick of the pc3200 insane deal with copper hsf. It was on back order. I do not like the fact that their shipping is soooo sloowww and they did not even take the courtesy to send the other part of my order, artic silver. I know it is cheaper for them to ship together, but sometimes you need to bite it with customer service. I am expected to get the memory on Monday, but wont have a motherboard to pop it into. I just RMA's my AT7MAX2 this weekend to abit. Bought it refurbed from newegg and they ship me a board with crap all over it and a capacitor punctured and falling off...

I went on TBROOKS word from this company and have ordered simple items from them in the past cooling fans, hsf, etc. They have always been the slowest shippers i have ever seen, from Conneticut to East Tennesessee taking a whole week or longer is rediculous.

Saving money is a trade off. I probably wont order from this company again. Way too slow, and you should not pre-sell anything is my motto. Knowing you are out of stock and saying in stock is SHI**Y. And, if someone is being sent what they did not order, like i just did from ExCaliber, they should make good on it, and pay for the shipping costs.

However, just like anywhere else you go these days, SERVICE is a thing of the past. I cannot go anywhere...Home Depot, restaurants, Wal-Mart...without wanting to go postal. THERE IS RARELY GOOD SERVICE ANYWHERE!

MY SUGGESTION IS, FIND A GOOD VENDOR AND STICK WITH THEM!

I will let you all know what kind of memory I get and how it performs

JCoria

whats up JC... not your week huh? sorry to hear that bro on newegg as they too have been good for me in the past. i just ordered the board i am using now from them on refurb and it came practically brand new RETAIL with all the software and everything. but JC, you really shouldn't have paid for something that isn't in stock if you have a no pre-sell motto bro. whats the rush if you don't have a mobo anyways? thats besides the point right now so i apologize as i feel somewhat responsible for your trouble. they were out of stock as you know but they were in stock earlier today so take a minute and call them on the toll free #. be cool about it and tell them they are getting some bad press and it would be in their best interest to get you order to you sooner than monday or something to that affect.

i feel like calling them myself and tongue thrashing somebody b/c after the guy took my order and everything i was so grateful for what he had done i told him i would post this in my forum and he'd probably get swamped by orders b/c their price was right. well, pspada had already posted so i just chimed in with my experience but i am pissed still b/c i told more guys than you about these guys now when they get overrun they get a bunch of customers it seems money has become the priority or something b/c this is nowhere near the experience i had. i think i will do that and post back later today.

 

[Chunkee]

when i initally placed the order, it said in stock, sorry i did not clarify that. I then received and email a couple of days later stating out of stock and they would ship as soon as they received new shipment.

I have gotten Neweggs refurbs before also and all was okay, this time however, it was not. You take the chance.

jC

the memory is scheduled to come Monday. We will see.

jC

 

[pspada]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
i purchased a stick of the pc3200 insane deal with copper hsf. It was on back order. I do not like the fact that their shipping is soooo sloowww.....<snip>

I concur, their shipping is slow - but it is also FREE! Or you could break out with a few extra bucks to get your item(s) faster. Seems to me this has little to do with the quality (or not, as the case may be) of their memory.

 

[m1ke101]

Originally posted by: tbrooks40

Originally posted by: m1ke101 memory timing was at default, i changed nothing. I'm testing out the memory on my roommates p4 right now, will post results. ******UPDATE***** okay this memory does run like sh*t....Okay stuck this chip in my roommates 2.26 p4 at 166fsb, and 2.9vdimm, and 1.6v. Ran prime95 for only 50 minutes. Also, he runs his system usually rock stable at 163 fsb with his generic pc2100, at stock voltage.

well running prime95 for 50 minutes is a lot better than what you were getting on your machine isn't it? mike what are you system specs if you don't mind posting them. also, please look in your bios and post what the memory timings are in there. someone stated different memory runs great on some boards and wont run at all on others and then theres that grey area where it runs ok but not as expected... this is the worst of all b/c now you have to go through the whole troubleshooting mess. this happened to me with some corsairxms pc3200 version 1.1 - i checked corsairs website and this memory ran great in some systems and terrible in others (all newer motherboards). this is when i decided to get a different stick and try it out and as i have posted it has been a world of a difference. i must say this about you - you are a patient soul... which you have to be when we are all buying half-tested merchandise. that reminds me of a rant i had to get off my chest... on Corsairs site it mentions that motherboard manufacturers use certain memory to test their new motherboards. to make a long rant short, the way i read this is that mobo and memory makers don't test their products on a wide range of availble parts on the market. for instance, epox will work closely with corsair (hypothetical) and may not use ANY other brand to test their boards! we have become the test bed and that just freakin blows. i mean it's to the point now where you have to be a part of some forum or tech site to be able to get you system up and running half the time. hell, epox's tech support actually directs you to Amdmb.com to find answers to your problems - wtf? at any rate, keep working at it mike as i was in your shoes not even a week ago for two freakin weeks trying to get my system up and running stable.

Wow I don't get it, my crappy samsung on generic pcb ran fine at 166. I even tried my friends two sticks of generic pc2100 at 166fsb, that also worked fine. I also tried out my friends corsair pc3200c2 *drool*. Damn that was nice ram. Well I'm going to check the cas ratings, and see if I'll be able to do anything with that. will update later.

 

[m1ke101]

ok according to bios
DRAM Cycle Length 2.5
Precharge to Active (TRP) 3T
Active to Precharge (Tras) 6T
Active to CMD (Trcd) 3T
Dram Burst Length 4
Dram Queue Depth 4 level
Write Recovery Time 3T

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: m1ke101
ok according to bios
DRAM Cycle Length 2.5
Precharge to Active (TRP) 3T
Active to Precharge (Tras) 6T
Active to CMD (Trcd) 3T
Dram Burst Length 4
Dram Queue Depth 4 level
Write Recovery Time 3T

well mike i'd have to agree with the fact that there are many incompatibilities out there and maybe that's the issue in your case. it would seem any basic memory could run on those timings but if there is a hardware conflict of some type then maybe not. my memory corsair would at least do that. let's not rule out the possibility that this was a bad stick that you got the second time.

i would say to send it back and request the 2.0 cas2 pc3200 if you want to even deal with them anymore. i could certainly understand if you didn't tho. this is what i was saying in my post earlier - we have become the test beds for these companies. oh well no need to rehash that. anyways, the stick you got was a 2.5 stick and the stick i have is a 2.0 stick for $118. get this one if you order next as i know for sure this one works well.

lastly, just to be thorough, post your system specs. i see the components you have but don't know which goes to which when i use the link in your sig.

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: tbrooks40


well mike i'd have to agree with the fact that there are many incompatibilities out there and maybe that's the issue in your case. it would seem any basic memory could run on those timings but if there is a hardware conflict of some type then maybe not. my memory corsair would at least do that. let's not rule out the possibility that this was a bad stick that you got the second time.

i would say to send it back and request the 2.0 cas2 pc3200 if you want to even deal with them anymore. i could certainly understand if you didn't tho. this is what i was saying in my post earlier - we have become the test beds for these companies. oh well no need to rehash that. anyways, the stick you got was a 2.5 stick and the stick i have is a 2.0 stick for $118. get this one if you order next as i know for sure this one works well.

lastly, just to be thorough, post your system specs. i see the components you have but don't know which goes to which when i use the link in your sig.

nevermind mike i figured it out...

 

[m1ke101]

Originally posted by: tbrooks40

Originally posted by: tbrooks40 well mike i'd have to agree with the fact that there are many incompatibilities out there and maybe that's the issue in your case. it would seem any basic memory could run on those timings but if there is a hardware conflict of some type then maybe not. my memory corsair would at least do that. let's not rule out the possibility that this was a bad stick that you got the second time. i would say to send it back and request the 2.0 cas2 pc3200 if you want to even deal with them anymore. i could certainly understand if you didn't tho. this is what i was saying in my post earlier - we have become the test beds for these companies. oh well no need to rehash that. anyways, the stick you got was a 2.5 stick and the stick i have is a 2.0 stick for $118. get this one if you order next as i know for sure this one works well. lastly, just to be thorough, post your system specs. i see the components you have but don't know which goes to which when i use the link in your sig.

nevermind mike i figured it out...

What did you figure out?

**EDIT**

actually, the first stick of ram i got was pc3500 cas 2, and the second one was pc3500 cas 2.5. I called them today and I said screw it, I want my money back. They said if they found what I was saying to be true about the ram, then they would refund me fully. But if not, they said they would charge me a 20% restocking fee, which is crock of sh*t. How do I know they're actually going to test it? The ram isn't just unstable on my system either, which is what pisses me off.

 

[yakitori]

This is yakimushi from the H...

I bought the PC3200 CL2 512MB Winbond

stick.

This is what I got:
Not winbond chips

Sorry for the huge size, it was necessary for all the details.

I am going to get to the bottom of this but if they jerk me around its going straight to the FBI fraud division.

I am PISSED!

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: yakitori
This is yakimushi from the H...

I bought the PC3200 CL2 512MB Winbond

stick.

This is what I got:
Not winbond chips

Sorry for the huge size, it was necessary for all the details.

I am going to get to the bottom of this but if they jerk me around its going straight to the FBI fraud division.

I am PISSED!

yakitori, what do the chips say on them anything? i cant make it out from the pic.

 

[Yourself]

Ordered some PC 3700 and this stick will not pass Memtest86 at 360 DDR at any timings or any setting in either a Albatron PEV Pro or an Epox PEA+. That's over 100 mhz under its advertised speed. Good customer service or not, something needs to be done about there testing process because I'm not a big fan of paying shipping back and forth for RMA's.

Self

 

[tbrooks40]

Originally posted by: Yourself
Ordered some PC 3700 and this stick will not pass Memtest86 at 360 DDR at any timings or any setting in either a Albatron PEV Pro or an Epox PEA+. That's over 100 mhz under its advertised speed. Good customer service or not, something needs to be done about there testing process because I'm not a big fan of paying shipping back and forth for RMA's.

Self

:| yeah, this is way out of hand now. i was gonna call them today and didnt get back until after 4:30p so i missed them. i guess i better rip my heatsink off too and take a look. btw, self what color was your heatspreader? also, yakitori how does memory run? not that it matters if its not what your ordered - just wondering.

 

[m1ke101]

good...i knew it wasn't just me. I've never had ram this crappy before, if anyone gets new info, please update.

 

[yakitori]

Here is a better shot of the chips themselves:

crap chips

From what I can gather, these are PC2700 chips.

Here is the link from the Hardforum:
http://hardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1024411833#post1024411833

 

[tbrooks40]

well i'm starting to think i got good ram b/c i told them i would put in a good word for them... now people are getting taken - sorry guys i'm done defending these people until i hear these issues have been handled with an explaination! if anyone else knows of someone (i think someone mentioned a thread at hardocp - link?) else that has a problem with them please tell them to post here.