as3 looses the temp battle... *simple test*

[poMONKey]

DAPUNISHER started a thread a couple of weeks ago that challenged people to look at other thermal compounds on the market, and that as3 gets too much hype and touting. well... i did some tests

the hsf on my cpu is a thermalright slk 900u ( lapped ) w/a panaflo 92mm high output. my rig is in my basement, i dont know the temp down here ( i have a thermometer/RH coming ), i figure it about 68-70°f, but its pretty much a constant. my fan arrangement is 2 med speeds in front, 2 med speeds in back ( i have taken the 92mm side fan out, as it makes my vid card temps about 6° hotter than without it, and does nothing for the cpu temp ).

i did a 3 day test period for each thermal compound. the as3 was on longer, as i was shuffling along w/the flock before DAPUNISHER's thread, but remained a constant 38°c idle.

ive also have backed my rig down to stock speeds for the test.

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here are the results:

as3 ~ 38°c idle

cooler master ~ 36° idle

shin-etsu ~ 35°c idle

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conclusion:

load temps were predictably following suit. i have a hot cpu that has seen many applications of as3, all with the same temps in the end.

*EDIT ~ took out useless remarks ~*

 

[Corporate Thug]

it's no suprise that AS3 losses to Shin-etsu and to coolermaster (since it is part Shin-etsu). AS3 is still cheaper and easier to apply though

 

[amcdonald]

While I appreciate your trial and advice, I can't help but point out that this should not be regarded in any way as conclusive.
How did you clean the heatsink/core before applying a different paste?
There are simply too many places for human error for me to trust a user-end review of thermal pastes.
Show me a guy in a labcoat and I'll believe you
I'm by NO means a fanboy or anything...

 

[soja]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
While I appreciate your trial and advice, I can't help but point out that this should not be regarded in any way as conclusive.
How did you clean the heatsink/core before applying a different paste?
There are simply too many places for human error for me to trust a user-end review of thermal pastes.

Very true. Check out the numerous thermal paste shootouts out there and you'll see minimal differences but differences nonetheless.

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
While I appreciate your trial and advice, I can't help but point out that this should not be regarded in any way as conclusive.
How did you clean the heatsink/core before applying a different paste?
There are simply too many places for human error for me to trust a user-end review of thermal pastes...

i cleaned everything w/99% rubbing alcohol

conclusive isnt what a "*simple test*" means... it means i have read that these 2 other products were better than as3...
and lo and behold, they are.

the doods in the lab coats arent applying thermal compounds to my cpu anyway... or yours...

we are... errors and all.

 

[EeyoreX]

Part of me should just move on (I don't care about 3*) but another part of me doesn't see the big deal. For a while (a long one I think) Arctic Silver 3 was the best you could get. Now, there is something better, that gives you temps that are 3* cooler. That's great. A newer product that's better than the things that came before. I don't see the big deal. I'll keep using my "Antec Silver 3" because I got it cheap. It works. (It is probably just rebranded Arctic Silver 3.) When that runs out, I'll replace it with something that is better. Like Shin-Etsu (maybe not, from what I have read it is a serious PITA to apply while AS3 is nice and easy). Or whatever. I could be wrong about the actual "new-ness" of Shin-Etsu, but wheather or not it is new, it is likely new to many many users, so for all intents and purposes it is new.

\Dan

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: shady06
it's no suprise that AS3 losses to Shin-etsu and to coolermaster...

it was a surprise to me when i read DAPUNISHER's thread... as it might be to more people.

this thread is about first hand info that backs up what i have read.

 

[soja]

poMONKey, do you have any access to AS ceramique? Seen a couple of reviews where it beats AS3 by a couple c.

 

[poMONKey]

*sigh*

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: soja
poMONKey, do you have any access to AS ceramique? Seen a couple of reviews where it beats AS3 by a couple c.

i havent gotten that yet... i have heard that its a good one too... i wanna get it also cuz its supposed to be much easier to apply than than shin-etsu products.

 

[WarCon]

Do me a favor if you still feel in the mood for a test. One of the test methods I used when I was testing different thermal compounds was if my maximum stability point went up for a set voltage for each compound. I was using watercooling and a T-bird with 2.0vcore. This made the slight temperature variance between compounds mean different points of stability could be reached by changing thermal compounds. I am not so sure this will occur with the big surface area of a P4, which surprises me that you see that big a difference between thermal compounds. I barely see 1C between any of the thermal compounds I have tried on my P4. I also tested three different application thickness's to see if the application made a difference. Arctic Silver products were the pickiest as to the application thickness.

Anyway, I wish I understood the need for anger when your posting data. It actually makes me doubt the veracity of your claims.

 

[Auric]

Whaaa? There's a compound that is messier than AS3? I used it 'cause it does not tend to dry out as easily as other common compounds.

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: WarCon... Anyway, I wish I understood the need for anger when your posting data. It actually makes me doubt the veracity of your claims.

+ BIG edit for content +

got ya ...

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: Auric
Whaaa? There's a compound that is messier than AS3? I used it 'cause it does not tend to dry out as easily as other common compounds.

accaully, its cleaner than as3, just harder to apply, as its pretty dry and cakey ( both shin-etsu products ). but as WarCon said... its also more forgiving with thickness of your application than as3 is, by far.

will be interseting to see, tho, how long this dry stuff lasts under that hsf...

its strange to pull the hsf off and have no resistance at all... and spreading it is even weirder. i kinda dab a small amount of the compound with my gloved finger until its even across the surface. seems to work just great.

 

[chr6]

any reviews on that ocz thermal compound? heard it was good stuff.

 

[WarCon]

I was actually referring to this remark..........

3° might not matter to some... if you are one of those, please dont bother responding to this thread. the flames that were a result of DAPUNISHER's attempt to open eyes was a joke. just move on if you aint interested...

as it gave nothing to your results except for comtempt for anyone that might question your results (even if they are just flamers).

And I believe that AS can be beaten and probably has in this product (Shin-Etsu), I just prefer a little more data and a little less attitude personally. I made the comment to DAPUNISHER that this type of rhetoric is best kept in ATOT, but he clarifed that he was trying to invoke controversy to promote his thread so that more people would read it. If thats what your doing then fine, but otherwise if you want to be believed I think its best to just give the facts and let the reader take from it what they will.

But please continue your experimenting, as I enjoy having data to base my decisions on. Your dangling dingleberry comment is , is that something like krusty klingons orbiting Uranus? ...

 

[EeyoreX]

... Or whatever. I could be wrong about the actual "new-ness" of Shin-Etsu, but wheather or not it is new, it is likely new to many many users, so for all intents and purposes it is new...

huh?

See, what I was saying here (since you chose to quote only a part of my statement) was that it shouldn't be a big surprise that a newer product should beat out an older one. I was also stating and disclaiming that I was not sure how new Shin-Etsu was. I think if you took the time and effort to read all of my post you would have seen what I was sayin', and without the "caustic" response. If I was not clear, a simple "Could you clarify" and I would have, and even apoligized for my lack of clarity.

Relax.

\Dan

 

[Texun]

I applied ASII and ASIII in every way possible- within reason. Very thin to almost see-through and the results on my XP were so-so. Had a tube of the compound that the AS people warn about on their web page as being fake; it's the one with the red cap. Used that and my temps actually dropped by about 3C. Same board, fan, and cpu. The core and HS were cleaned each time with alcohol.

Scientific? No, but results are are that I am concerned about and I see no reason to use AS again. Current temps average 35C with an XP2400. System at 32C.

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: WarConYour dangling dingleberry comment is , is that something like krusty klingons orbiting Uranus? ...

yes

 

[ScrapSilicon]

i cleaned everything w/99% rubbing alcohol

the surface won't be the same everytime..even 2 of the same heatsinks won't be the same from batch to batch ..or even the same batch...not saying there is not temp differences between these thermal compounds tho..

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

the surface won't be the same everytime..even 2 of the same heatsinks won't be the same from batch to batch ..or even the same batch...

its a drag... from brand to brand, the dif is amazing too. my thermalright slk900u came w/the worst base ive seen yet... it looked like a record, the grooves were that deep, like a phat nail file... but my wife is a metalsmith by trade, my sh!t is lapped to perfection... flat and just shiney enough to connect perfectly with the cpu ( pulling the cpu shows no dead spots, just an even carpet of tiny stalagmites covering the surface of the cpu and hs )... its my application of the compounds, getting the thickness right, thats the BIG variable. im pretty good by now... but human nonetheless.

someone just needs to develope a little machine to apply this stuff perfect, for the application/cpu type, everytime... take this variable OUT >>> there seems no need for this to be done by hand for the "quality"... just get the sweet spot so the hsf/waterblock can do its job.

 

[Match]

poMONKey, I think it's great that you're testing things out. Did you record the ambient or case temperatures during the tests? If the case temperature varied a bit then you wouldn't be able to accurately compare the cpu temps side by side.

 

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by: Match
poMONKey, I think it's great that you're testing things out. Did you record the ambient or case temperatures during the tests? If the case temperature varied a bit then you wouldn't be able to accurately compare the cpu temps side by side.

no problem, this benefits me too

since my rig is in my very dark, cool, unfinished basement, the temps stay pretty much rock solid all the time.

but, my case has been open for weeks, its a little cooler for my vid card ( gaming habit ) until i build a watercooling system for this beast. so the ambient case temps didnt really matter. the fans are all going, but the side door is off. nice and cool in there...

i'll post results from my stress testing in about week ( with ambient temps and all ) when i get this thing watercooled, per WarCon's suggestion, as i would LOVE to try and get this thing past 150 fsb!!! any other suggestions will be happily taken.

 

[Rotax]

you didn't try tooth paste? wth.. lol just read that one review where he used it and it was actually better than arctic silver (not sure what #). but thought it was kinda funny.