Asian Americans need to wise up and end our blind loyalty to the Democratic Party

gamervivek

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Every Supreme Court justice appointed by a Democratic president has upheld race-based school admissions programs in the name of diversity. Democratic administrations have aggressively supported these same programs in court. In California, Democrats have sought repeatedly to overturn Proposition 209, the law that prevents UC Berkeley and UCLA from rescurrecting the use of race as a factor in their admission process. In New York City today, Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio proposes to end the standardized single-test admission system used by magnet schools — because too many Asians do too well on the tests.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yoo-asian-american-bias-harvard-20180624-story.html

Asians, the new Jim Crow?

Black and Latino students make up nearly two-thirds of the city’s 1.1 million school children. Yet, of the 5,067 offers of admission to specialized schools this year, 51.7 percent went to Asian students and 26.5 percent to white students. Latino and black students received 6.3 and 4.1 percent of the offers, respectively. At Stuyvesant, the most sought-after of the schools, just 10 of the 902 students offered admission were black.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/24/opinion/editorials/new-york-specialized-school.html
 

fskimospy

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Yes, I’m sure Asians are itching to join the explicitly white nationalist party. Inherently a Conservative party could have a bunch to offer Asian Americans. The problem is that the US doesn’t have a Conservative party, it has an ethnic/reactionary party.

People aren’t stupid, they know this. Looks like you’re going to be wishing for this for a long time, at least until the GOP purges itself of that rot.
 

UNCjigga

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It would be a fun experiment to take any representative sample of the top 25 universities in the US (public and private) and ask them to randomly separate next year's applicant pool into 2 stacks. One stack will be sent to the admissions committee with all of the usual data on the applicant. The 2nd stack would have name, gender, race, income, or any information that could be used to determine or predict those attributes (i.e. zip code, financial aid status etc.) masked. It would be interesting to see what affect that has, if any, on admissions decisions. Is there an inherent bias or not?

I (as an Asian American) would be all for doing away with race-based quotas for higher learning, if we can prove that there is no structural bias in admissions. But that's way, way down on the list of issues I care about.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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No one should be blindly adherent to any party. Instead, they should make a decision based on their own sensibilities and rational analysis. In the end, they have a choice of two parties and at this time Dems are the better bet.
 

Stokely

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My wife grew up in mainland China so I know a fair number of immigrant Chinese people. The most rabid Trump supporter I know is her best friend, who immigrated here 25 years ago. Most of these folks aren't very involved politically but they do generally dislike Trump.

If you are not white and vote GOP it's a little bit like a roach voting for Raid...you are literally supporting a party that would love it if you just fucked off. But whatever floats their boat.
 
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gamervivek

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My wife grew up in mainland China so I know a fair number of immigrant Chinese people. The most rabid Trump supporter I know is her best friend, who immigrated here 25 years ago. Most of these folks aren't very involved politically but they do generally dislike Trump.

If you are not white and vote GOP it's a little bit like a roach voting for Raid...you are literally supporting a party that would love it if you just fucked off. But whatever floats their boat.

Far more persuasive is the argument for 'if you're white and vote for Dems', you don't even need to listen for dog-whistles there. They blare it consistently, loud enough to even make a deaf man cover his ears.
 

pauldun170

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The NYC example is interesting.

Right now a single test determines eligibility.
DeBlasio wants to eliminate the test and instead reserve seats for top performers at each New York City middle school.

The reasons Asians are mad about this is why they probably do belong in the Republican camp.
 
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Look an account that was a little active in Video Card sub forum that went quiet for a while, suddenly became very interested in video cards again in 2016, then appearently lost interest in video cards and posts mostly pro Trump stuff and divisive stuff to separate people.
Nothing strange about that. Who knows maybe I’m wrong.
 

Paratus

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Look an account that was a little active in Video Card sub forum that went quiet for a while, suddenly became very interested in video cards again in 2016, then appearently lost interest in video cards and posts mostly pro Trump stuff and divisive stuff to separate people.
Nothing strange about that. Who knows maybe I’m wrong.

What?

Russia is part of Asia.
 

Jaskalas

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No one should be blindly loyal to a party. I would hope that a person appreciates and understands the choices that they make.

As for affirmative action, yes it is definitely racist policy, but that doesn't mean it's the biggest fish to fry at the moment.
 

trenchfoot

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I think it rather interesting that Asian kids as a demographic are in many instances the beneficiaries of quotas while others in this same group feel they are being discriminated against because of the same policy.

Just say'in.
 

senseamp

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Svnla

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I think it rather interesting that Asian kids as a demographic are in many instances the beneficiaries of quotas while others in this same group feel they are being discriminated against because of the same policy.

Just say'in.

Do you have any links/stories/articles from reliable sources to back up the bold/underline part?
 

trenchfoot

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Do you have any links/stories/articles from reliable sources to back up the bold/underline part?

Aside from the fact that I literally avoid instances where I feel I'm about to get involved in a tit-for-tat where semantics, verbiage, rhetoric, contradictory graphs and charts are laid over each other and bandied about (along with the fact that I'm at work at this time) I do respect your interest in what I posted.

In that light, I'll keep things as tightly packed as possible by saying that what you quoted from my post was what I believe to be common knowledge from decades of having quotas for minorities being employed by (what I also think is common knowledge) the majority of colleges who feel that diversity on the campus is a healthy and rewarding experience, and of recent vintage, partly basing their policies on a USSC decision which originated in Texas where race based admission policies were upheld.

Please by all means correct me if I'm wrong as I'd gladly appreciate being brought up to snuff on this topic of discussion.
 

manly

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Huh? tweaker2 is super wrong about this. Affirmative action policies aim to increase admissions of underrepresented minorities, not all minorities.

The last time many universities (or at least the most competitive ones) considered Asian Americans underrepresented for undergraduate admissions was probably in the 1980s. Asian Americans generally get admitted on their own merits and if anything, consideration of race works against them (see current hubbub over Harvard admissions scoring).

If you look at what Harvard (and other elite universities) is doing, they clearly employ racial quotas whether or not they start with that goal or whether they end with it. The racial makeup at Harvard has stayed more or less the same for a very long time. Elite private universities know that if race wasn't part of the admissions process, they would become like what you see at UC Berkeley or UCLA. Predominantly Asian and white students (nearly 90% combined), with a small number of other minorities.

As an Asian American, I've never had a problem with affirmative action and I personally feel diversity in most walks of life is an important goal. Honestly I have no idea what it's like for a young Black teenager to attend UCB where African Americans make up 3% of the student body (after intensive recruitment efforts). My personal belief is that in the future, affirmative action would be unnecessary but I disagree with those who claim we are there now.

Now I'm referring to the vast majority of students in higher education: 4 year universities. I don't know what admit rates are like in less common cases, but there are probably other situations that are not the same. The racial makeup at liberal arts colleges is different and even as recently as a decade ago, some graduate programs (even at top institutions) did not need to penalize applicants just for being Asian American.
 

shortylickens

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Hypothetically you could take over the GOP and change it from a bunch of racist ignorant whites to something else.
 

SP33Demon

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Egalitarian socialism pimped by the Dems runs anathema to the Asians' belief of meritocracy and hard work that got them to American in the first place. Often they come to this country and are usually successful. As Indus also noted, they are also family-oriented. They are now being discriminated against for being "too smart" by liberal colleges. This screams conservative party for them and the many I know are rejecting the Democrat party for Trump's nationalism, not BS wealth redistribution and egalitarianism.
 

Svnla

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Aside from the fact that I literally avoid instances where I feel I'm about to get involved in a tit-for-tat where semantics, verbiage, rhetoric, contradictory graphs and charts are laid over each other and bandied about (along with the fact that I'm at work at this time) I do respect your interest in what I posted.

In that light, I'll keep things as tightly packed as possible by saying that what you quoted from my post was what I believe to be common knowledge from decades of having quotas for minorities being employed by (what I also think is common knowledge) the majority of colleges who feel that diversity on the campus is a healthy and rewarding experience, and of recent vintage, partly basing their policies on a USSC decision which originated in Texas where race based admission policies were upheld.

Please by all means correct me if I'm wrong as I'd gladly appreciate being brought up to snuff on this topic of discussion.

Let me make it clearer. I was NOT simply asking for (ALL) "minorities", I was asking for Asians because this statement of yours and I am quoting the exact words:

......Asian kids as a demographic are in many instances the beneficiaries of quotas....

I haven't read anything about Asian students get any set aside program or affirmative action program or lower the bar for them or any quotas that were in favor for them as other groups are enjoying at the present time. That's why I asked you in the above post. Anyone can jump in anytime if you have any links/articles from well know sources.
 
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Indus

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Egalitarian socialism pimped by the Dems runs anathema to the Asians' belief of meritocracy and hard work that got them to American in the first place. Often they come to this country and are usually successful. As Indus also noted, they are also family-oriented. They are now being discriminated against for being "too smart" by liberal colleges. This screams conservative party for them and the many I know are rejecting the Democrat party for Trump's nationalism, not BS wealth redistribution and egalitarianism.

Bull fucking shit. I haven't met a handful who aren't scared of White Nationalism.
 
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