Asian Americans - Now Racist?

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Recently John Oliver aired a new segment yesterday on Asian Americans.

Curious what everyone's thoughts are here:





So Asian American. Tends to be generally (statistically) associated with higher-intelligent Asians, typically from countries like South Korea, China, Japan, etc... But as of late, people seem to be trying to dip their toes into it with this whole "AAPI" or "Asian American Pacific Islander" movement. To which I say, they were never apart of the general term of "Asians" when growing up. Seems they want to inject themselves as of late, and Oliver's point is that it screws up the statistics because when accounting for pacific islanders and other random places, they statistically aren't the Asian stereotypes of in higher education - having a college degree, higher income, etc...

Okay? So what do you want to do? This is actually very similar with blacks - because things like South African and Nigerian immigrants get lumped together with anyone who is black - and they are statistically shown to have higher income with higher employment, education, etc...




He goes over how in the beginning people were referring to them as "orientals" - and how they fought for the term "Asian American". Now it looks like this cis-gendered white male is seeming to tell them that their term "Asian American" is now out of date.

He then tops it off with this hilarious statement - with no real facts or reasoning, but it merely suggests that as if Whites have control of Asians. He then goes on to suggest that we put asians in a bucket of "model citizens" and say to black people "Why don't you act like those immigrants?" Which is hilarious wrong, not factual, and completely uneducated.
White Americans have actively pitted Asian Americans against other communities

Plenty of more hilarious statements in here - and plenty of statements from an old white guy telling other people how oppressed they are. This is probably as insulting as it gets. Honestly, his ultimate message is all over the place, is he just looking for get rid of the term "Asian Americans" because it's TOO inclusive?

Probably the most hilarious thing that Oliver obviously doesn't talk about - since he always wants to play racial-tip-toeing games - he fails to mention the BLARRINGLY obvious fact that Russia is an Asia country as well. For some reason, idiots just want to continue to gloss over this - probably because their entire point in having this discussion isn't really based on facts, logic, or reasoning - but rather because they want another topic to talk about in the world of "How are you being oppressed today, <insert brown/black skin color> fellow?"
 
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woolfe9998

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Probably the most hilarious thing that Oliver obviously doesn't talk about - since he always wants to play racial-tip-toeing games - he fails to mention the BLARRINGLY obvious fact that Russia is an Asia country as well. For some reason, idiots just want to continue to gloss over this - probably because their entire point in having this discussion isn't really based on facts, logic, or reasoning - but rather because they want another topic to talk about in the world of "How are you being oppressed today, <insert brown/black skin color> fellow?"

Hey dipshit, Russia straddles both Europe and Asia, but the vast majority of its population is in Europe. You need to revisit high school geography.

I'll watch the vid later tonight when I have the time.
 
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Hey dipshit, Russia straddles both Europe and Asia, but the vast majority of its population is in Europe. You need to revisit high school geography.

I'll watch the vid later tonight when I have the time.

Over 70% of Russia is in Asia, but hey - lets just dismiss that and write it off - all the while the entire discussion is based on tiny islands with small populations as well lol.
 

woolfe9998

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Over 70% of Russia is in Asia, but hey - lets just dismiss that and write it off - all the while the entire discussion is based on tiny islands with small populations as well lol.

Yes, and over 75% of its population is in Europe. The Asia part is mostly frozen tundra with low population density.

And since the topic is about people, not land, I fail to see how Russia's large Asian land mass has much to do with it.
 

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Recently John Oliver aired a new segment yesterday on Asian Americans.

Curious what everyone's thoughts are here:





So Asian American. Tends to be generally (statistically) associated with higher-intelligent Asians, typically from countries like South Korea, China, Japan, etc... But as of late, people seem to be trying to dip their toes into it with this whole "AAPI" or "Asian American Pacific Islander" movement. To which I say, they were never apart of the general term of "Asians" when growing up. Seems they want to inject themselves as of late, and Oliver's point is that it screws up the statistics because when accounting for pacific islanders and other random places, they statistically aren't the Asian stereotypes of in higher education - having a college degree, higher income, etc...

Okay? So what do you want to do? This is actually very similar with blacks - because things like South African and Nigerian immigrants get lumped together with anyone who is black - and they are statistically shown to have higher income with higher employment, education, etc...




He goes over how in the beginning people were referring to them as "orientals" - and how they fought for the term "Asian American". Now it looks like this cis-gendered white male is seeming to tell them that their term "Asian American" is now out of date.

He then tops it off with this hilarious statement - with no real facts or reasoning, but it merely suggests that as if Whites have control of Asians. He then goes on to suggest that we put asians in a bucket of "model citizens" and say to black people "Why don't you act like those immigrants?" Which is hilarious wrong, not factual, and completely uneducated.


Plenty of more hilarious statements in here - and plenty of statements from an old white guy telling other people how oppressed they are. This is probably as insulting as it gets. Honestly, his ultimate message is all over the place, is he just looking for get rid of the term "Asian Americans" because it's TOO inclusive?

Probably the most hilarious thing that Oliver obviously doesn't talk about - since he always wants to play racial-tip-toeing games - he fails to mention the BLARRINGLY obvious fact that Russia is an Asia country as well. For some reason, idiots just want to continue to gloss over this - probably because their entire point in having this discussion isn't really based on facts, logic, or reasoning - but rather because they want another topic to talk about in the world of "How are you being oppressed today, <insert brown/black skin color> fellow?"


Also in American English, Asian referred to East Asians and sometimes South East Asians. In British English, it referred to South Asians. We are still excluding Iran and the middle east from the definition of Asian, but adding in pacific islanders? Makes no sense especially considering that Asians(Japanese) colonized our one Pacific Island state . along with white people.
 

Leeea

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The one thing I do know is s0me0nesmind1 is racist piece of shit.

Did not even bother reading his post, the "headline" says everything you need to know about our resident member of the Klan.


He most likely wrote some racist drivel where he tries to twist something massively out of context.
 
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He is ridiculously goddamned predictable, ain't he? He strikes me as a 13 going on 30, where he really thinks he's decoded truth from the kiddie porn he jerked off to on 4/8Chan before he "matured" into sucking white supremacist dick so that he could then spit it into the mouth of all the young boys he sees himself in, all in a sad attempt at capturing the edgelord status he wanted to attain when he was a teen.

I'm guessing he ended up there after Rogan opened his eyes and he started taking supplements for his low-T. He strikes me as someone that really believed he was liberal (despite him being a fucking raging right wing moron the entire time I've been aware of him), and then got "woke" about "woke" and now thinks he's actually righting all the lies he thinks he was fed (because he was simply too stupid to understand before or now).
 
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He is ridiculously goddamned predictable, ain't he?
Yeah but so are most of you, replying to him when you could just ignore his posts. I predict this thread will be multiple pages in no time because you all just can't resist taking the bait.

It definitely makes for entertaining reading material though, that is for sure.
 
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JTsyo

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Over 70% of Russia is in Asia, but hey - lets just dismiss that and write it off - all the while the entire discussion is based on tiny islands with small populations as well lol.
At least the right is consistent of picking land over people when looking at representation.

Obviously Asian immigrants do well since they have been filtered to enter the US. What percent of current Americans would pass our immigration requirements?
 
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Yeah but so are most of you, replying to him when you could just ignore his posts. I predict this thread will be multiple pages in no time because you all just can't resist taking the bait.

It definitely makes for entertaining reading material though, that is for sure.

Funny thing you singled my post despite me not having actually responded to him. I can't even see his posts (I can see when he makes a thread though), but I can tell within usually one reply what his post are, which from what I can tell is him furiously slamming his head into every hard penis he can find til his mouth just kinda gets stuck on them. You'll have to forgive me for poking fun at clownbabies that just throw tantrums. Kinda like how I can't resist poking fun at fans of a team that even those fans openly piss and moan about year after year as the team basically shits in your mouth and mocks you for being a fan. But point taken, I'll defer to your expertise on futility, what with you being one of those fans.
 
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zinfamous

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Funny thing you singled my post despite me not having actually responded to him. I can't even see his posts (I can see when he makes a thread though), but I can tell within usually one reply what his post are, which from what I can tell is him furiously slamming his head into every hard penis he can find til his mouth just kinda gets stuck on them. You'll have to forgive me for poking fun at clownbabies that just throw tantrums. Kinda like how I can't resist poking fun at fans of a team that even those fans openly piss and moan about year after year as the team basically shits in your mouth and mocks you for being a fan. But point taken, I'll defer to your expertise on futility, what with you being one of those fans.

Patrick Majomes' best days are behind him.

Change my mind.
 
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Patrick Majomes' best days are behind him.

Change my mind.

That's possible (but then he's already achieved more than Marino and as much as Favre and Brees and several others did, and they weren't saddled with Andy "I'll find a way to lose" Reid) so not exactly anything for him to be ashamed of (not that he would with the $500million he's gonna end up with). Not sure why you think I'd take that personal or something, but then you are not only a Slurs fan but also were a Dolts fan (and flirted with bandwagoning the Forty-Whiners and Seahawks as well I believe?), so I'm not exactly gonna feel burned considering all of 4 of those teams have accomplished basically combined over the years that he's been alive what Mahomes has in the 3-4 years he's actually been playing in the NFL.

Its a shame Alex Smith got chewed up by the shitshow that is the Slurs and their incompetence. At least he's smart enough to know that Kaep got screwed out of the NFL, unlike a certain poster that for years argued it was his playing ability, much like the racist right wingers that became enraged by him kneeling.
 
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SMOGZINN

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You mean the concept of 'Race' if fully made up and even racist people can't agree on who is in what racist category? Well, shit.
Makes the entire thing seem kind of stupid, doesn't it?
 
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Hey dipshit, Russia straddles both Europe and Asia, but the vast majority of its population is in Europe. You need to revisit high school geography.

I'll watch the vid later tonight when I have the time.

So did you watch it? Are you one of the very very few people that are left that are capable of an adult conversation?
 
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brandonbull

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He is ridiculously goddamned predictable, ain't he? He strikes me as a 13 going on 30, where he really thinks he's decoded truth from the kiddie porn he jerked off to on 4/8Chan before he "matured" into sucking white supremacist dick so that he could then spit it into the mouth of all the young boys he sees himself in, all in a sad attempt at capturing the edgelord status he wanted to attain when he was a teen.

I'm guessing he ended up there after Rogan opened his eyes and he started taking supplements for his low-T. He strikes me as someone that really believed he was liberal (despite him being a fucking raging right wing moron the entire time I've been aware of him), and then got "woke" about "woke" and now thinks he's actually righting all the lies he thinks he was fed (because he was simply too stupid to understand before or now).
What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you not capable of expressing an opinion other than in weird rape/kiddie porn fantasies or trying to insult someone by making homophobic references? Holy fuck someone at the FBI should be checking your hard drives and search history. Your nonsense goes way beyond the typical idiot Libtard trolling that is the standard for this forum.
 

dank69

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What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you not capable of expressing an opinion other than in weird rape/kiddie porn fantasies or trying to insult someone by making homophobic references? Holy fuck someone at the FBI should be checking your hard drives and search history. Your nonsense goes way beyond the typical idiot Libtard trolling that is the standard for this forum.
Every conservative attack is a confession. Maybe the FBI should search yours.
 

zinfamous

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That's possible (but then he's already achieved more than Marino and as much as Favre and Brees and several others did, and they weren't saddled with Andy "I'll find a way to lose" Reid) so not exactly anything for him to be ashamed of (not that he would with the $500million he's gonna end up with). Not sure why you think I'd take that personal or something, but then you are not only a Slurs fan but also were a Dolts fan (and flirted with bandwagoning the Forty-Whiners and Seahawks as well I believe?), so I'm not exactly gonna feel burned considering all of 4 of those teams have accomplished basically combined over the years that he's been alive what Mahomes has in the 3-4 years he's actually been playing in the NFL.

Its a shame Alex Smith got chewed up by the shitshow that is the Slurs and their incompetence. At least he's smart enough to know that Kaep got screwed out of the NFL, unlike a certain poster that for years argued it was his playing ability, much like the racist right wingers that became enraged by him kneeling.

see? this kind of nonsense is more relevant than the OP's "topic."
 
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SMOGZINN

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Finally got around to watching the full show. I'll give my thoughts.
My first thought, before I dig into your post, is that John Oliver's entire rant was poorly done. It lacks a central thesis and kind of just rambles about problems the AAPI community faces without really giving any constructive ideas on how to fix those problems.
The biggest problem is that the rant appears to accept the idea that we should have racist categories at all. John's argument seems to be that we need different, or maybe more, racist categories to lump people into.

To which I say, they were never apart of the general term of "Asians" when growing up.
So? They were often lumped in with them in reality, because a large number of them look 'Asian' which is what most of this is really about.

That is kind of the entire point. Anytime you reduce a large group of people down to a name you are losing data.
Yes, that is what he is saying, and actually says it in several different ways several different times. But his point was that even before adding the pacific islanders it was too broad of a category. Even without the PI you are labeling people that come from a area that contains more then half the world's population, and make up more then a dozen countries. The only reason for this label is because they share some common facial features. It seems a pretty poor thing to label people for.


Seems they want to inject themselves as of late, and Oliver's point is that it screws up the statistics because when accounting for pacific islanders and other random places, they statistically aren't the Asian stereotypes of in higher education - having a college degree, higher income, etc...

Okay? So what do you want to do? This is actually very similar with blacks - because things like South African and Nigerian immigrants get lumped together with anyone who is black - and they are statistically shown to have higher income with higher employment, education, etc...
The point is the statistics are already messed up, as you obviously can see. He limited his argument to AAPI but it obviously works for other groups as well. Anytime we use racist categories we are harming the people we are categorizing.
So, what to do? Don't use racist categories. List people by something that actually makes sense. Maybe country of origin, or other logical categories that actually fit their situation instead of the color of their skin or shape of their eyes.

Now it looks like this cis-gendered white male is seeming to tell them that their term "Asian American" is now out of date.
He is not saying it is out of date. He actually says that for political reasons it is still useful, because the racism it was created to help fight is still there, but he is also saying that much of the racism that 'Orientals' held has now transferred over to it. Once again, although he kept his rant to AAPI, this also generalizes to other minority groups. We can clearly see it in the evolution of words used to describe people of color.


He then goes on to suggest that we put asians in a bucket of "model citizens" and say to black people "Why don't you act like those immigrants?" Which is hilarious wrong, not factual, and completely uneducated.
No it is not. He actually shows a number of examples of just that. It is a tactic I've seen on these forums any number of times, someone states that Asians don't have this problem, so it is not a minority problem it is a culture problems with whatever group we are talking about. John Oliver is explaining why the statistics are misleading and how they are harmful to both the AAPI and other minority communities.


This is probably as insulting as it gets. Honestly, his ultimate message is all over the place, is he just looking for get rid of the term "Asian Americans" because it's TOO inclusive?
And this is the problem, he had no clear thesis, so there is no coherent solution. He is pointing out how even the seemingly positive racism is harmful even to the people that it appears positive for.

he fails to mention the BLARRINGLY obvious fact that Russia is an Asia country as well.
I'm Russian American. I have never once in my nearly 50 years of life been called Asian. Because the categories are based on the color of your skin and the look of your face, and I don't look that way.
That is how I can tell that these categories are BLARRINGLY obviously racist.
 
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