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Nemesis 1

Lifer
Dec 30, 2006
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There is no answer to this question in the Bible and you knew it before asking. What is your point?

Well that depends on your understanding the written Word . Christ Did Reply to a question in this manner . He told us to be as children.
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
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Here's a question. I was always taught that you can only get saved when god "speaks" to you. If god never speaks to me and saves me, then why am I punished and sent to hell? He's the one who never spoke to me and showed me the light, so that's a bit unfair IMO.

That is the idea of special election, a particular tenant of a theological branch called Calvinism.
http://www.hccentral.com/delect.html
(Disclaimer: I have not read the full content of that site and I am not promoting their theology. Their summary of Calvinism and Arminianism is pretty decent on the surface though. I've never seen it paired against their chosen theologian Karl Barth though, so that seems to be their attempt to elevate a somewhat obscure theological strain against two other more major contrasting theological ideas. Also, there are more ideas out there than simply the two biggies covered in their article.)

I don't subscribe to Calvinist theology personally. I don't see sufficient Biblical support for it.
 

MotF Bane

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Well that depends on your understanding the written Word . Christ Did Reply to a question in this manner . He told us to be as children.

If you wish to interpret, then so too shall I. Your logic follows that Christ says to be as children, and therefore, baptism is irrelevant with regards to sinners entering heaven. Yet that then presents the question of why did Jesus baptize anyone?

Would you like to try again?
 

Nemesis 1

Lifer
Dec 30, 2006
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If you wish to interpret, then so too shall I. Your logic follows that Christ says to be as children, and therefore, baptism is irrelevant with regards to sinners entering heaven. Yet that then presents the question of why did Jesus baptize anyone?

Would you like to try again?

Sure thing. What age did THE Living Word get baptized. Age 30 perhaps. Baptism Are you sure it happened or is this something THE HOLY ROMAN CHATHOLIC CHURCH cooked up. Under Ceasar Constatine I, By direction of Pope Sylvester I 33 reputed Pope from Peter I. It was under these mens direction the the holy scriptures were Placed in the New Testament. It was ROME that compiled that Holy BOOK.
 

MtnMan

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Then you run into some of the real jesus loons and this seems rather mild.
 

MotF Bane

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Sure thing. What age did THE Living Word get baptized. Age 30 perhaps. Baptism Are you sure it happened or is this something THE HOLY ROMAN CHATHOLIC CHURCH cooked up. Under Ceasar Constatine I, By direction of Pope Sylvester I 33 reputed Pope from Peter I. It was under these mens direction the the holy scriptures were Placed in the New Testament. It was ROME that compiled that Holy BOOK.

The Gospels concur that John the Baptist baptized Jesus. Do you claim that the Gospels were false, and created by the Roman Catholic Church? If so, then the entire New Testament is going to fall apart.
 

Away

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Thank you for taking the time to answer all of those questions, AreaCode707. Hopefully it gives everyone something to think about.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Sure thing. What age did THE Living Word get baptized. Age 30 perhaps. Baptism Are you sure it happened or is this something THE HOLY ROMAN CHATHOLIC CHURCH cooked up. Under Ceasar Constatine I, By direction of Pope Sylvester I 33 reputed Pope from Peter I. It was under these mens direction the the holy scriptures were Placed in the New Testament. It was ROME that compiled that Holy BOOK.

When the guy I am calling out is picking on you over your preposterous conclusion about my argument against him... that's just fucking hilarious. It also means it's time to stop.

I don't really want you too though because I'm laughing so hard right now reading this it's difficult to type. It's child reverse psychology. Wait untill you're older.

My sides hurt. LOL
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Probably the very best question in this entire thread. For me personally, I think rising from the dead is demonstratively a divine act. The witnesses to this act changed their entire lives, and not at all for the better, as a result of having seen this occur. They were jailed, tortured and almost all of them were ultimately killed for refusing to recant the testimony about what they saw. While I absolutely believe that secondhand witnesses would do that through crazy-level faith, I do not believe that firsthand witnesses, knowing it to be a lie, would sacrifice so much.

That's my personal reason for the belief of Christ as divine. I'm sure other people have other reasons.

How do you know that he really rose from the grave? What evidence is there that the Bible is true instead of a much more likely story that someone really just nabbed the body? Really, how do you know? The Bible can't be corroborated in any way.

You can't use the Bible to prove itself.
 
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Born2bwire

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Holy shit. To think I was going to avoid this thread for obvious reasons which means I almost missed all of Nemesis 1's post.
 

GoodRevrnd

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How come AreaCode707 did a better job answering questions than you did in your own damn thread?

Why would you invite (serious) questions if your not prepared to respond to them?
 

mmntech

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How come AreaCode707 did a better job answering questions than you did in your own damn thread?

Why would you invite (serious) questions if your not prepared to respond to them?

He'd have to be a fool to think he'd get serious questions on here. :awe:

Speaking of which, was Jesus gay? I mean, he hung around with 12 attractive young men who shared his beliefs, and never made the moves om Mary Magdaline.

Or, why is it always Catholic people that get haunted on bad, late night ghost hunting shows? Seriously, watch closely. They always bring the priest in for an exorcism. Do protestants not get haunted. What about Jews, or Hindus?
 

Pray To Jesus

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Why are we as humans expected to forgive each other and love each other unconditionally, but God need to sacrifice his son in order to have this ability? That is; why was Jesus death necessary in order for God to grant the common sinner passage to heaven?

PS: I am taking the offer in the OP as sincere.

God is perfect so he has perfect Justice and perfect Love and Forgiveness. His justice requires that sin be punished therefore he took the punishment on Himself through Jesus Christ.

We are expected to forgive and love each other because that's the way Jesus treats us.
 
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